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Main => The Round Table => Topic started by: Timothy on 2014-01-09, 22:59:53
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Sirs, I have received a note from the office of the Chief Herald of Ireland and have been informed me that they only have two Gallagher/Gallaher surnames on record as having arms. Both were granted in the 1970's. While I do not believe this is fully accurate I need to look at the design of new arms. Is there anyone who has the time and interest in assisting me with this. I ask as I can, sometimes, draw a straight line with a ruler. I have attach some pictures with elements I might use.
Any help would be appreciated.
Timothy
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in addition I might use these as well.
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Have you tried the Coat of Arms Design Studio? There's a free version that works right in your browser. Fairly simple to use, but might not allow for some of the more complex designs. Depends what you had in mind, I suppose.
http://inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms/free-version/ (http://inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms/free-version/)
Otherwise, I'm pretty handy in the art department. Just let me know and I'll see if I can help. :)
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Hi Douglas, Yes I have but to no great success.
Any time you can help that would be great.
Timothy
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What did you need help with?
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Hi Douglas,
I know if you quarter a shield you get four parts. I cannot remember what a division of six is called.
I was thinking of starting with six and working down to quartering if need be or just use elements from the pictures I have posted.
I was thinking of dividing in to six to incorporate the Gallagher arms, Maryland arms, Bavaria arms ( where my mother people are from. The blue field with the golden harp for Ireland a symbol for teacher or learning or education, and the Leopards of Normandy
or something else
Timothy
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Have you tried the Coat of Arms Design Studio? There's a free version that works right in your browser. Fairly simple to use, but might not allow for some of the more complex designs. Depends what you had in mind, I suppose.
http://inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms/free-version/ (http://inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms/free-version/)
This is a really good program, and is the one we standardized on for creating the arms for our roster. It doesn't do everything, and doesn't at all address different types of "lines" other than straight (no embattled or wavy edges, for instance), so we often have to do some finishing work in photoshop.
The good news is that it will accept external images to use as charges.
I'll be happy to do a few photoshop mock-ups if you know what you want (they'll be imprecise hacks to save time, since it's not worth making it perfect until you've chosen).
For terminology and ideas for geometric shapes and the like, I really like this primer from the SCA: http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/primer/ (http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/primer/) (for some reason, images don't seem to be loading at the moment)
Here's an archived copy of the page on divisions: https://web.archive.org/web/20130620212111/http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/primer/fielddivisions.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20130620212111/http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/primer/fielddivisions.html)
Archived copy of the Ordinaries page: https://web.archive.org/web/20130620232347/http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/primer/ordinaries.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20130620232347/http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/primer/ordinaries.html)
I don't know of a specifically 6-field division, but there are divisions of 3 and 8, plus you can overlay ordinaries, such as a chief or base, that gives you an area to work with as well.
I'm trying to lightly steer people away from quartering, not only because it's heavily used already, but also because historically it most frequently was a joining of two sets of arms through marriage, which often is not what most people intend in our community.
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One additional thought-- I'm also trying to lightly encourage people to simplify. It's easy to get into doing what some people call "Résumé Heraldry". A little of everything that means something to you, or has to do with your career, or interests, or family background. By the time you add everything, you can end up with something very complicated. That's fine in itself, but may not work well for an earlier-period impression. Plus, most of us end up painting or sewing it at some point, and complexity can make that very difficult. So it's just something to keep in mind.
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I second what Sir Edward said with some of the "less is more" ideal. Here's a page on my site that covers my personal heraldry, if you haven't seen it: http://www.james-anderson-iii.com/historical/my-heraldry/index/ (http://www.james-anderson-iii.com/historical/my-heraldry/index/)
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Thanks Sir's Edward and James.
Lets see if I can blazon this
Per pale Vert and Or, Lion rampant Sable
treading on a Azure crab in fess proper between four trefoils Or and Vert
Thanks for the suggestions and help.
Timothy
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Per pale Vert and Or, Lion rampant Sable
treading on a Azure crab in fess proper between four trefoils Or and Vert
Is the crab "azure" or "proper"? The color should come after the object it refers to, and "proper" means it has the normal/natural coloring rather than something specific. For instance, a "tree proper" would have a brown trunk and green leaves.
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Hi All,
I have been discussing the blazon on the FB page of the International Heraldry Society. They have been most helpful.
This should be the LAST Blazon
Per pale Or and Vert, Lion rampant Sable
sinister rear paw resting on a crab Azure between an orle of eight trefoils' counterchanged.
Timothy
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Hi All, Mr. Elliot Nesterman on the FB page for the International Heraldry Society help with many other as I wrote and revised my Blazon. He has now gone the very extra mile and created two arms. One is based on the blazon I wrote and one other. All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks to all here who helped as well!
So what do you think?
Timothy
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Wow, I like them a lot! Those turned out great.
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Seems I missed whole conversation. But will say this
Tim if it helps you. I based my heraldry on a toy.
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Hi Ed and Nate,
Thanks
So how cool is that blue crab!
Timothy
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Hi Ed and Nate,
Thanks
So how cool is that blue crab!
Timothy
The first thing that came to mind was "what does this guy live in Maryland or something?" Then I checked and you do.
Ugh the butter stains you'd get on a tunic Awful!
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I like them, too. The one with the sable lion really pops. Very nice.
So how cool is that blue crab!
Hehe. :) I actually think that's a rather clever way to incorporate Maryland into the arms.
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Tim, if you're in MD, we should probably add you to the DC-Area Order board. Same for Doug. I'll go do that.
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Thanks,
BTW the have submitted another arms thinking if might be more recognizable as being Maryland related.
What do you all think?
Timothy
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I think it looks good, and you don't often see lozengy fields, which is cool. And yet, the earlier designs felt a little more clean to me. So, not bad :)
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My eye is making that out to be less lozengy and more of a counterchanged bend... I see the "\" in there with the colors reversed inside the stripe.
Certainly a unique design. I can't imagine trying to paint that though; it'd be possible, but dizzying. :)
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Hi All,
So the final blazon would be
Paly of six Vert and Or a bend counterchanged, overall a lion rampant Sable armed and langued Gules within eight trefoils slipped in orle Sable.
Any suggestions on a full achievement ?
Motto
Animis opibusque parati" - "Prepared in minds and resources"
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Hi all,
by the time I posted here this was waiting for me on Facebook.
What do you think?
Timothy
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I like it!
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now paint it to a shield and post a picture.
or you get banned
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The basic idea was to easily identify others on the field of combat. I believe you’ve achieved that with bold colors, field, and the eight trefoils arranged nicely.
Does the number eight have any special significance for you? Is there sly blazoning in there somewhere or canting of arms?
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now paint it to a shield and post a picture.
or you get banned
Remember sir clarkenson Timothy?
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I rather like it. It's flashy, yet somehow it works. For me, anyway. I have this mental image of a tournament kit with those colors and a crab crest on a tilting helm with this majestic streaming mantle, as well as a horse decked out in matching caparison. It's quite a splendid sight. :)
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I wonder. In many pics I see people using gambesons as normal wear. With the right other accessories, could a gambeson pass if it were used as part of a civilian kit?
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Wow, wow, wow! Now that I'm seeing it with the full armorial like that, it really POPS. I love it.
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the comments!
Here is the final arms with motto. Enjoy.
Who is Sir Clarkenson?
Timothy
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the comments!
Here is the final arms with motto. Enjoy.
Who is Sir Clarkenson?
Timothy
Exactly.
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Agreed, the full armorial looks great. And also agreed with Sir Wolf - paint it on a shield, get a helmet crest made, a surcoat.....
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...or you're BANNED.
lol j/k
That is an eye-catching setup you have there; I like it!
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I've added this to the roster.