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Main => The Campaign => Topic started by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-06-09, 00:15:45
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Is anyone here going to it?
http://www.njrenfaire.com/Home.html (http://www.njrenfaire.com/Home.html)
I am going this weekend on Saturday but I am not sure if I am gonna go on sunday because it's gonna rain on sunday or maybe I will go on sunday in a different kit than I will saturday.
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Bah, if I wasn't working I would have gone, it's only about an hour from me. Maybe next year. I did hit the Smithville one though, thats right around the corner from me, literally.
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I went and actually met and talked to a lot of people there.
(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/542111_4206918494505_1896072306_n.jpg)
Full kit with ill fitting kettle helm.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/182546_4206919294525_1125372853_n.jpg) I really wanna trim down the coif, it's too excessive and I could use the "square" design coif which was popular in the 13th century. Besides I could use the excess trimmings to construct a ventail.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/526195_4206917534481_621515551_n.jpg) Met this dude and we had a long convo about maille and traveling to europe.
Overall I had a pretty good time, again I stripped my kit down slowly as the day went on due to everything being too ill fitted and overall the heat did not bug me, but again the weight did. A guy told me at the faire that you gotta bulk out the maille and let it hang OVER the second belt and it will weigh it to your hips instead, initially this worked but the belt stretched and it all weighed down on my shoulders again. I have better luck with non period belts, these period belts are hard to get used to putting on seriously. I cant stand how they dont go on tight enough. Hard enough to find a belt that will fit me plus I got NO padding on my belly being extremely lean and thin my maille all literally HANGS down my shoulders, prolly would of been worse with a bigger size hauberk.
Of course the food there was really good, they had an italian chicken place there and the chicken was SOAKED in herbs and whatnot very good quality food from there rather than the usual "chicken fingers" you see everywhere else. Also everyone liked my kit, cept some LARP nerds who said "oh I'll just shoot you with a crossbow and kill you" dunno if they were joking but it was kinda rude to say to a knight in all honesty. I had tons of people ask for my photo looking forward to people posting some photos of me on the facebook page.
Did learn one lesson though, do NOT try to force a helmet on tight when it's got a coif on, the rings dug into my forehead and made me bleed >< time to get a helm that will fit over the coif.
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Sounds like you had fun Sir Ulrich. Yes be careful concerning the mail coif. Period belts are tricky indeed which is why you need a custom made period belt.
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sweet.
do us a favor, lay out your sword belt on the floor and take a picture of it.
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Yeah, the mail often will slide back down under the belt, so sometimes you need to hike it back up again occasionally. It'll be less likely to do that if the belt is super tight, but it's a bit of a judgment call as to where you want your discomfort. Of course, having it tailored to you reduces these problems, as we've discussed before.
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A couple of guys I reenact with went down Sat., but I opted to go check out a Rev War event in Lancaster instead. A couple of us have been toying with doing F&I or Rev War so we wanted to go see what their events are like and get some contacts, which we successfully did. Now it's time to save up some money to pay for a kit for that. I WILL NOT be going any further FORWARD in time, at least for now ;) . A couple of us were going to come down Sun., but we were all just too tired from being out in the sun all day Sat., either down there or at the Rev War event. Even not in kit, it was HOT. Sorry I missed seeing you.
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Sir Ulrich, your kit's come a long way, eh? Definitely go with a padded coif as opposed to just a linen one to pad your head from the weight of the coif and of course, any helm you decide to wear over top of that.
Nevermind the LARP nerds, it was sheer envy that made them say what they did as what you wore was head and shoulders above anything they might've been wearing. Besides, when they miss, they're screwed.
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now is this faire different than the nj Renaissance faire kingdom?
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I can't quite tell from the pictures, but it looks like you have a simple "D ring" belt? The best way to keep the belt tight and from letting the mail slide and flop too much is to use a buckling belt (the style with holes in it). You can still use the D ring sword belt, since that won't be doing any "work" with the mail. It sounds like you've got the right idea, just need to tweak the gear a bit - I've personally never had any success with the D ring belts staying as tight as I want either (in soft kit).
And ignore the LARP archers. You went, you had fun, they're irrelevant.
(These are nice simple belts - http://www.revivalclothing.com/talbotspremiumsimplethinleatherbelt.aspx (http://www.revivalclothing.com/talbotspremiumsimplethinleatherbelt.aspx))
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Also everyone liked my kit, cept some LARP nerds who said "oh I'll just shoot you with a crossbow and kill you"
I don’t know, if those LARP nerds said that to me I would have probably replied in my most derisive tone:
“Or you could just throw a balled up sock at me and yell LIGHTNING BOLT.” ;D
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Or you could also have said that you were wearing the hauberk of righteousness, +50 against projectile weapons as it was sprinkled with a mixture of holy water and the tears of a virgin. LARPers...lol
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Managed to snag a few, professional pics of my kit
http://photos.mercerspace.com/Other/Renaissance-Faire-Bordentown/23494122_3rPr8L#!i=1899013309&k=XH5DzRR&lb=1&s=O (http://photos.mercerspace.com/Other/Renaissance-Faire-Bordentown/23494122_3rPr8L#!i=1899013309&k=XH5DzRR&lb=1&s=O)
http://photos.mercerspace.com/Other/Renaissance-Faire-Bordentown/23494122_3rPr8L#!i=1899013212&k=CQ8WNm2&lb=1&s=O (http://photos.mercerspace.com/Other/Renaissance-Faire-Bordentown/23494122_3rPr8L#!i=1899013212&k=CQ8WNm2&lb=1&s=O)
Those have to be the best pics of my kit I ever had, so detailed and they capture my face better than most cheap cams.
The belts I got DO have holes and are rather similar, it's just the leather isn't broken in yet so I cant really tie it that tight, I got them at viking leathercrafts and am rather satisfied with them. They were tight initially then they got loose for some reason, guess I need to punch another hole into them and use them even tighter.
Also I always get in arguments with LARP teens, for some reason I dont get very well along with LARP teenagers that much, they act like they know everything cause of D&D when I myself am rather self educated via various things I read on maille. I always enjoy making snide and witty comebacks to what they gotta say. Most of them dont know anything about the real medieval age to be honest, they know what they saw on video games and thats about it.
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Well we all know D&D equates to historical accuracy! I always thought LARPers were laid back people; they're re-enacting fantasies, surely they aren't taking themselves too seriously? :o
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Those pics did turn out great, very nice. Video games as a reference or teacher is a terrible idea - point them towards a book or other proper publication, and tell them what they're saying wrong. Or send them over here. We'll straighten them out. :)
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I always thought of them as layed back but, they tend to call me a snob because I am into historical accuracy and get mad at me when I point out whats accurate and what isnt. I dont even try to be rude I'm just stating what I know about my kit and whatnot and what is accurate on it and what isnt. Guess thats cause they enjoy being farby. I am just way too obsessed with history and prefer the European style of reenacting to the American "competitive sport" SCA style stuff.
Also cant stand the fake accents they put on which is quite hard for me to do cause I suck at doing a British accent and I prefer to talk normally and casually. Hence why I sucked at LARPing when I went to it, I actually dont believe people in the UK even SPOKE with British accents in the middle ages as middle English was actually closer to AMERICAN English, the older accent types got preserved in America similar to how Quebec French is closer to medieval French than modern French is.. Mainly southern accents were Western British combined with Scottish, while New Englanders talked like how east Anglians talked in the 1500s, while NY/NJ accents like mine were the older form of Cockney English spoken in the 1600s. Generally I believe people talked differently back then and I believe that modern British accents are a relatively recent thing. Same reason Aussies have some similarities between Americans is because their accent types got preserved while British English was in the transitional phase between American type English and modern British English. In any case I havent a clue how to talk like a Brit and I fail so badly at it (as bad as Dick van Dyke did in Mary Poppins) that I just talk with my normal voice with occasionally using old fashioned words.
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I ussually don't have any trouple with LARPers, it's those idiots that are doing the anime and video games that get to me. I always say that's a cute outfit you have, but mine's all real and walk away.
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Yeah, those people are never cool. You also got the types that think their swords are real when they're just stainless chinese or indian made JUNK. Hell I had one tell me he thought he could cut through my maille. I told him go ahead, I guarantee you the sword might break on impact and my maille will hold. I guess I am a bit too haughty and confident about my knowledge with medieval arms and armor that I like to educate people about it. I actually had people at a medieval club call me arrogant and snobbish over it too. I am not even trying to mean harm at all, I guess not many people are used to being lectured by someone very confident about what he's saying. I guess living history types aren't very well welcome in the SCA, partly why I wanna move to Europe..
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I find that if you impart the information without being condescending (or haughty, holier-than-thou, or know-it-all if you prefer those terms) you'll find your audience much more receptive. The bottom line is, even if they're acting like that, it doesn't do to combat such attitudes with the same...that could just be a prelude to an altercation at an event where everyone is supposed to be enjoying themselves and having a good time.
Nothing wrong with knowing your subject, but lecturing is best left to classroom and informative sessions- when dealing with the public mundanes, the less stand-offish you are, the more receptive they will be to whatever it is you're trying to say. Just my humble opinion...and years of experience in giving and receiving training lectures. Its easy to talk when you know what the hell you're talking about, but it may not be so easy to understand if your demeanor puts people off from the outset.
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I find that if you impart the information without being condescending (or haughty, holier-than-thou, or know-it-all if you prefer those terms) you'll find your audience much more receptive. The bottom line is, even if they're acting like that, it doesn't do to combat such attitudes with the same...that could just be a prelude to an altercation at an event where everyone is supposed to be enjoying themselves and having a good time.
Nothing wrong with knowing your subject, but lecturing is best left to classroom and informative sessions- when dealing with the public mundanes, the less stand-offish you are, the more receptive they will be to whatever it is you're trying to say. Just my humble opinion...and years of experience in giving and receiving training lectures. Its easy to talk when you know what the hell you're talking about, but it may not be so easy to understand if your demeanor puts people off from the outset.
Quite true Sir William. You can give information as though you expect people to listen to you while you rant on and on sounding like a know it all. That will detract your audience away from you. Rather be Courteous to say "I don't think because look it from these perspectives...." or "that has been tested and is proven to be false or not true". This may not be easy for you, but practicing it will help in the long run.
The same thing can be said when it comes to telling people about Chivalry. People in general will have differing perspectives or thoughts on Chivalry, half them are true while the other half is completely false and offensive. Yet being Courteous and tempering your voice tone and overall temper shows you have discipline. It is better to say "true that you have been told that but that has been proven false and here is how and why" rather than "you are wrong, end of discussion". Don't forget you represent the Ideals that we all here believe in. The same goes for me as well. By being a representative, you have to respect the fact that people these days are not educated as we are, approach it as if you are teaching Chivalry to a classroom or lecture full of Tabula Rasa's (Blank Slates) or people with vague ideas or notions. The only problem that would appear would be people who find Chivalry difficult to apply in daily life, or those who hold on to their beliefs with haughty zeal.
This is my take on it but I am glad you didn't loose your temper. Remember LARPers are fanatics that can be tamed with demonstrating how mail withstands sword cuts and how Western Martial Arts is complex and sophisticated as Oriental Martial Arts.
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Well said, Sir Joshua...and realize that some people, no matter how courteous you are, may not be receptive to being told or instructed that what they currently believe is in fact, wrong. That's when you smile, give a salute and move on in search of better options with which to spend your time. I hate wasting my breath as you can never get it back, don't you? ;)
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i.e.
Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. ;)
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Pigs like pearls? Fancy that! ;)
All japes aside, that, too, was well said, Sir Brian.
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and realize that some people, no matter how courteous you are, may not be receptive to being told or instructed that what they currently believe is in fact, wrong. That's when you smile, give a salute and move on in search of better options with which to spend your time. I hate wasting my breath as you can never get it back, don't you? ;)
Indeed. ;)
i.e.
Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. ;)
YES! EXACTLY! ;D