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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Leganoth on 2012-04-24, 08:20:08
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Looking to make a new outfit that doesnt make me regret it after 6 hours lol.
Basically im looking for just clothes
Specificly im looking for a "man skirt", from waist to feet, covering feet or not. Saw a man at the fair and was talking to him, i really liked his look with the skirt, couldnt find the vendor he was pointing me to though for it. Anyone know where i could find some?
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wha? i know of no such beast in period. persians and men of the middle east worn long tunics that went to their feet, but no skirts. esp a knight of europe.
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Sounds like he might've been wearing a warkilt or skirt? Leg, go for a long tunic or surcoat and just wear a shorter shirt over it to get that look.
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There are a variety of good looking long-tunics that hang toward the ankles.
Check out The Hooded Hare: http://thehoodedhare.com/tunics.htm (http://thehoodedhare.com/tunics.htm)
And Revival Clothing: http://www.revivalclothing.com/newcolors12th-13thcenturymenssilksupertunic.aspx (http://www.revivalclothing.com/newcolors12th-13thcenturymenssilksupertunic.aspx)
Those are some examples.
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I finally got around to ordering a more period ‘soft kit’. These should be shipped pretty soon as the braies were backordered 2-3 weeks. I still have to dye them black. ;)
Braies and Chauses:
(http://www.revivalclothing.com/images/products/display/Chause_display.jpg)
Gaston Phebus Tunic in Linen:
(http://www.revivalclothing.com/images/products/display/fullwardrobe_men_tunic_SageLinen_hood_Gold_display.jpg)
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Nice! Did you get a liripipe hood to go with it, or just the tunic?
I'm thinking of ordering two pairs of chausses (linen) in two colors, and braies. The other thing I want is the long 12th/13th under-tunic, but for whatever reason they only seem to have large in stock. I have three of the tunics from Hooded Hare, but don't have the undertunic to go with them.
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Sir Brian, thou hast read my mind/order form. I ordered the same items two weeks ago.
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Nice! Did you get a liripipe hood to go with it, or just the tunic?
Nope, no hat for me. :)
Sir Brian, thou hast read my mind/order form. I ordered the same items two weeks ago.
Cool! Just so long as you stay away from the green tunic and gold chauses combination then we'll be fine! ;)
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Go with the 'Brotherly' look & become a monk?
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Sounds like he might've been wearing a warkilt or skirt? Leg, go for a long tunic or surcoat and just wear a shorter shirt over it to get that look.
Hmm im not sure, he literally said it was a skirt haha. Ill try and find a teutonic tunic or surcoat to match the armor
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Go with the 'Brotherly' look & become a monk?
Thats one option haha.
Looked into tunic and surcoats, looks as if its just a different style of tabbard. Im looking for an un-armored suit, clothing only
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Sounds like a great kilt to me. I have one, more trouble than they are worth and not period until after the 16th century according to an article in Renaissance magazine a couple months back.
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Sir Brian, are those chausses padded? Where'd you order them from? I need to work on getting my under clothing to period spec.
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Sir William I ordered those chausses from revival clothing and they are not padded. I made my padded under armor chausses about four years ago. They are fairly easy to make. You just need some quilted fabric and a soft cotton fabric for the inner liner. I added some leather tabs and leather padded knee chaff guards. It all took about four hours start to finish. ;)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd251/Tah908/WIP/PC_001.jpg)
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,61.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,61.0.html)
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Love the padded look!
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Sir William I ordered those chausses from revival clothing and they are not padded. I made my padded under armor chausses about four years ago. They are fairly easy to make. You just need some quilted fabric and a soft cotton fabric for the inner liner. I added some leather tabs and leather padded knee chaff guards. It all took about four hours start to finish. ;)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd251/Tah908/WIP/PC_001.jpg)
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,61.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,61.0.html)
wow, thats a LOT of padding there in the middle ;)
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Yep, looks impressive Sir Brian!
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Is Sir Wolf having a little fun at Sir Brian's expense? I seem to remember his middle being somewhat padded as well...altho, not anymore. ;)
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Is Sir Wolf having a little fun at Sir Brian's expense? I seem to remember his middle being somewhat padded as well...altho, not anymore. ;)
Haha, that made me laugh
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Well me new soft kit arrived!
Those Braies are huge! Washing them and the tunic now. I'll dye the Braies and tomorrow I will drop the tunic off to my seamstress to have a gold griffin embroidered on the chest of the tunic. ;)
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Methinks a thread with how you'll be dying them is in order. ;)
What size braies did you get?
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A nice soft kit indeed, well done Sir Brian!
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Methinks a thread with how you'll be dying them is in order. ;)
What size braies did you get?
Dying clothes are easy! Buy some RID dye and follow the directions on the back of the bottle! ;)
I got the smallest size and had to wait 3 weeks for it.
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Yeah, it looks like all the braies are back in stock, since I ordered the small size too and my whole order just shipped (I'm assuming it's the whole order, since they sent me an email and said everything was in stock and ready to go). I think we got the same tunic, though mine's in blue. I ordered the chausses in both blue and black so I can pick depending on what else I'm wearing.
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I ordered the chausses in both blue and black so I can pick depending on what else I'm wearing.
And now you can go 1 blue, 1 black for when you just can't decide! :)
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is the tunic split? in the front i mean?
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Yeah it's split but doesn't go up that far.
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I need a suggestion for a tunic, I pretty much only have an underwear set from historical enterprises and need a full kit. I am doing the mid to late 13th century but I dont like the look of those tunics that go down to your ankles as I may not be tall enough to fit into one. I do like the kit that Sir Brian has, that one looks ideal, but i'm unsure of the century, probably 14th but I would go with a black tunic or red as those are my heraldry colors.
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go with a red knee length tunic. it covers many areas and even time frames. either 2 or 4 gores.
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Thats what I may get, just dont know where to get a 13th century model. I see plenty of 1300s ones, I may just get one of those like it really wont be much of a difference, I want a hood too cause well i'm red haired and the sun will burn me if I am out in it too much.
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Yeah, it looks like all the braies are back in stock, since I ordered the small size too and my whole order just shipped (I'm assuming it's the whole order, since they sent me an email and said everything was in stock and ready to go). I think we got the same tunic, though mine's in blue. I ordered the chausses in both blue and black so I can pick depending on what else I'm wearing.
Yep, probably all shipped at once. Mine just arrived today, and I ordered the small braies too. I got my tunic in black, of course.
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Yeah, knee to ankle length covers a wide range of history. In the 14th things kept getting shorter, until in the 15th they had doublets that often were pointed to the hose at the waist. If you like it at mid-thigh, it's going to look 14th mostly.
The good news is that depending on what you find, it might be possible to hem it a little shorter.
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i just need a teutonic outfit for when they werent in battle
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I ordered the chausses in both blue and black so I can pick depending on what else I'm wearing.
And now you can go 1 blue, 1 black for when you just can't decide! :)
Don't think I hadn't thought of that. :)
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My revival stuff got here today:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/faire/b3226.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/faire/b3226b.jpg)
Is anyone else having fitting difficulty with the chauses? I got them in large. I don't have really wide legs, and they fit a size 12 foot. But man, it's tough to get my foot down through the ankle of it, and then they're pretty snug around the thigh. Basically, they fit, just barely.
For the braies, this is a whole new thing to me. I noticed the drawstring is super long. Long enough to wrap all the way around before tying. I'm assuming that's what you're supposed to do, and thus have a line to point the chausses to. That's what I did tonight.
The tunic sleeves seem barely long enough too. They look fine with my arms at my sides, but out in front they pull back from my wrist a little bit.
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I had a problem with the chauses as well. I ordered the ones that said size 10 foot (my size in everything) and it's quite a feat to get my feet in there :) . I tried going up one size, but the chausses are a little baggy then.
I then ordered a pair from HE in wool and never looked back.
I believe the braies come with such a long draw string because it's just intended to be cut to size since they fit a huge variety of waists. The braies should have a little cut out area along the waistband that exposes the internal drawstring for pointing you chausses.
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gasp a white belt!! ahhahaha
i question the slit in the tunic and the hood. i really don't think they are there in period pieces. looks great man!! your right thought, the cuffs seem short. esp if u wash it and it shrinks?
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I'm like right between sizes. I think I'd be swimming in the larger ones, but barely make it in these.
Nope, these braies don't have a little window for pointing.
BTW, Revival is have another 20% one-day sale tomorrow, May 3.
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When it comes to normal clothing items I've always had better luck with HE (arming clothes though, I love Revival). I highly recommend wool for chausses. They're not really hot, and they stretch a little to give that form fitted look. The linen doesn't really give at all, and doesn't look as authentic. Outer garments should be wool to the max extent practical as far as I understand.
Not sure why your braies don't have the pointing window... you could always cut it yourself. I think it would be preferable to having a double wrap of drawstring.
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gasp a white belt!! ahhahaha
i question the slit in the tunic and the hood. i really don't think they are there in period pieces. looks great man!! your right thought, the cuffs seem short. esp if u wash it and it shrinks?
The tunic is supposed to be from the "The Hunting Book of Gaston Phebus", who live in the mid-14th century. You can see a split from the guy on horseback here:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E_o_0Bdm4GA/TUVtozPE2wI/AAAAAAABHrM/lcp03FoLdlw/s1600/Gaston%2BPh%25C3%25A9bus%252C%2BLivre%2Bde%2Bla%2Bchasse%252C%2Bc.%2B1410-.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E_o_0Bdm4GA/TUVtozPE2wI/AAAAAAABHrM/lcp03FoLdlw/s1600/Gaston%2BPh%25C3%25A9bus%252C%2BLivre%2Bde%2Bla%2Bchasse%252C%2Bc.%2B1410-.jpg)
These guys too: http://www.frenchtoutou.com/images/celebrite/meutechassea.jpg (http://www.frenchtoutou.com/images/celebrite/meutechassea.jpg)
Most of them don't have the split in the manuscript, though.
Sir Edward, let me go check my chausses and braies. It's been a more than hectic week, and I haven't even opened them yet.
EDIT[/i] - The tunic fits me well, and the joined hosen I got fit well, too. The chausses, large, are actually a little loose. No problems getting my foot through, but I don't like the "footie pajamas" feeling, and I'll have shoes on over them anyway, so I will probably be chopping them off slightly below the ankle, and leaving enough fabric to roll up and put a lace through them to tie them at the ankle. Probably not period, but it won't be visible, and I'll be more comfortable - win win. The only thing that didn't fit was the linen shirt I got - it fits, but when I bend my arms, I feel like I'm about to hulk right through it - it cuts off my circulation.
For the braies - mine have the two extra openings on the front area, offset. If you look roughly at the top middle of your thigh (put on the chausses and pull them up - look above the points), you should see two small sewn-hole openings - pull the draw string through there. Then you can make two decent sized loops, one on each side. Point your chausses (fabric only! ;)) to there. Then you can pull the draw string tight. There will still be some extra string, which is fine, just tuck it into the waist band. You can leave the loops at the side pretty long. I used a small pick to pull it through the opening.
Hope that helps. I'll get some pics tomorrow, if you need them.
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Ah, Leganoth, joining the Ritterbrudern I see? To not look out of place when at Mass, you will need the standard legwear, shoes and undergarments of the desired period. Remember though, keep the fancy shmancy bits to a minimum. Your main garment will be a cappa-clausa, which is basically a very long robe with relatively form-fitting sleeves. It should be simple, white with a black cross upon it. Tie it in the center with a belt or a sash, add a pouch, a pternoster, and some accessories, and you're good to go. Also remember to wear your mantle (large hooded cloak), with or without armour.
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Ah, Leganoth, joining the Ritterbrudern I see? To not look out of place when at Mass, you will need the standard legwear, shoes and undergarments of the desired period. Remember though, keep the fancy shmancy bits to a minimum. Your main garment will be a cappa-clausa, which is basically a very long robe with relatively form-fitting sleeves. It should be simple, white with a black cross upon it. Tie it in the center with a belt or a sash, add a pouch, a pternoster, and some accessories, and you're good to go. Also remember to wear your mantle (large hooded cloak), with or without armour.
Exactly what im trying to make actually nathan, have any pictures or recommendations i should get?
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When it comes to normal clothing items I've always had better luck with HE (arming clothes though, I love Revival). I highly recommend wool for chausses. They're not really hot, and they stretch a little to give that form fitted look. The linen doesn't really give at all, and doesn't look as authentic. Outer garments should be wool to the max extent practical as far as I understand.
Not sure why your braies don't have the pointing window... you could always cut it yourself. I think it would be preferable to having a double wrap of drawstring.
Yeah, this was a sale-inspired purchase. :) I went with all linen on this since we tend to have a lot of very hot renfaire days, but I guess you're right that wool wouldn't be too bad on chausses etc.
The chausses do work, just barely, even though Revival's site says I should have an extra half inch in most places, and several inches around the thigh (I bought large, wear a size 12). Their sizing has always been slightly inaccurate (sometimes wildly so, but Nicole got defensive with me when I tried to bring it up at WMAW). I've always had to exchange something from my orders to get a different size, even if I was only ordering one thing.
I'm thinking I might exchange the tunic and get the Large. I'm wearing a Large in most of their other clothes (and usually a Medium for arming clothes). I got the Medium tunic since it says it'll take up to a 44" chest. I measure at 41", but wear a 44 jacket. Not only are the sleeves slightly short, but it's a little narrow in the shoulders, and we had to make sure to not let it gather at the belt or else my braies would have shown in the photo. Wearing it all day at faire, it'll definitely pull up a little. I'm worried that I'll be swimming in a large, but I feel this tunic is meant to be loose, and I'm also worried that I'll never wear it if I think it's going to be small on me all day. :)
Ah, fun with ordering things without trying them on first.
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For the braies - mine have the two extra openings on the front area, offset. If you look roughly at the top middle of your thigh (put on the chausses and pull them up - look above the points), you should see two small sewn-hole openings - pull the draw string through there. Then you can make two decent sized loops, one on each side. Point your chausses (fabric only! ;)) to there. Then you can pull the draw string tight. There will still be some extra string, which is fine, just tuck it into the waist band. You can leave the loops at the side pretty long. I used a small pick to pull it through the opening.
This is how mine are as well.
With the tunic, I have the Gaston Phebus tunic in burgundy (medium) and the sleeves are a tad short on it as well. The white linen undershirt would sometimes peak out from the sleeve cuffs because they were slightly longer. If I went up a size though, I'd get lost in the tunic.
If you're going to get a coif to wear under your hood, I really recommend HE here. For some reason Revival went with a modern string with plastic tips to tie off the coifs. HE uses a ribbon of linen which looks much better and more accurate.
With regard to wool in the summer, it breathes just fine. The wool HE uses is very fine and not itchy on my legs at all (I know some people's skin and wool don't mix well). And for upper garments, if you sweat in to them, they will keep you cooler once wet. They also dry very quickly because they're wool. Linen and cotton take forever to dry. It's routinely in the upper 90's and high 90% humidity here (Florida) during the summer, and the helicopter I teach in is like a greenhouse in the cockpit when you get a bird with crappy AC, and I fly with wool socks every single day, it keeps my feet cooler, dryer, and more comfortable than cotton socks. So I applied that to my medieval clothes and it works!
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That’s a bummer you are not completely happy with your linen soft kit Sir Edward. :(
I ordered the large in the Gaston Phebus tunic and it fits me perfectly even after a couple of washings. I’m having a griffin embroidered onto it now while I’m doing multiple washes of the chausses and braies to accelerate softening them up. If anyone wants to do the same, ensure you use a little white vinegar to help break down the linen fibers and keep the colors vibrant. They have noticeably softened after several washings and after several more I’ll be ready to dye the braies black. ;)
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Oh, I'm not unhappy, I'm just trying to get it settled so that I'll be happy in the long-run. I think with the large tunic, it should do OK after a couple of washings. The medium will probably by a little too small after washing if it's already right on the edge of being too small now. I'll give the chausses a fair shake, but maybe I should have only gotten one pair instead of two. I may not really use the blue ones much. The liripipe hood might have been nicer in wool, but they only offered it in linen. It'll all work. I just think I need to exchange the tunic.
OK, I'll go back and look for the little window on the braies again. I was looking at the waist-band area and didn't see it.
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You say there's a sale over at Revival today?
*gone*
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Yep, same sale-code, Spring20. Today only.
I used it to order the under-tunic that they didn't have in my size over the weekend.
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Leganoth, the Google is being useless, so basically take a Surcoat, extend the length to almost the ankle, and add long narrow tapering sleeves. That's a cappa clausa.
BTW, since we're on the subject of material, how well does wool stand armour wear and abuse?
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Their sizing has always been slightly inaccurate (sometimes wildly so, but Nicole got defensive with me when I tried to bring it up at WMAW). I've always had to exchange something from my orders to get a different size, even if I was only ordering one thing.
Ah, fun with ordering things without trying them on first.
I ran into this same problem. My arming coat is medium, fits great. My Gaston Phebus is medium, fits great. The linen shirt I got is medium, and if I hadn't recently lost a few pounds in the john, it may not have fit - I'm going to send it back for a large. The sizes seem to be in a similar ballpark, but those couple of inches makes a big difference in the fitment.
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BTW, since we're on the subject of material, how well does wool stand armour wear and abuse?
The wool coats my reenacting unit wears don't stand armor abuse well at all. They are a lighter weight wool, though. That's one big reason those of us that wear armor wear buff coats under it, they protect out coats from the abuse of the armor. Heavier weights of wool are probably more tolerant, but they are also much warmer.
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BTW, since we're on the subject of material, how well does wool stand armour wear and abuse?
Arming clothes are typically linen so it should be a non-issue. The only wool I wear that comes in to contact with armor are my chausses. The inside of my cuisses and greaves are pretty smooth and non-abrasive and so far I've not run in to any issues. All other wool garments I have are for soft-kit use, not for wear with armor. Some people wrap some extra wool fabric around their knees to prevent chafing prior to putting on cuisses.
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i wear wool tunics under my mail all the time, or i did when i was viking. and wear wool tunic under my hamata and segmentata when i am roman. no issues at all. makes great padding too.
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A slight variation of my soft. This is probably most of what I'll wear for the demo @ VARF the end of this month.
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Hey, looking good!
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That is a very nice soft kit Sir Brian! Well done!
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That is very nice, you old softie you! Oh, you meant the kit. ;)
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I like your soft kit Sir Brian, reminds me of Beckett a bit from Ironclad.
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I like your soft kit Sir Brian, reminds me of Beckett a bit from Ironclad.
Thanks! He was one of my favorite characters in that movie! :)
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Well, Revival received my tunic, and will be exchanging it. They said it was out of stock in the Large size, but now it sounds like it may ship fairly soon. I also ordered a long undertunic to use with other garb, since they had it in stock on that second sale day, and also got a wool chaperone/hood to use if I want a warmer option than the linen hood.
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I like your soft kit Sir Brian, reminds me of Beckett a bit from Ironclad.
I liked that character...a rogue with a sense of loyalty nonetheless. He was also Hades' henchman in Clash of the Titans, formerly known as Acrisius.
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Well I picked up two new pairs of 14th Century Braies from my seamstress Sallie Jones. I gave her my poorly repaired originals from Revival Clothing as a sample along with 1.5 yards of pre-washed 100% black linen and she made some improvements, such as triple-stitched and additional fabric reinforced seams along the crotch. I haven’t tried them on yet but they look actually better than the originals.
I suggested she should keep the pattern in case someone else wanted to have her make a set. She is just charging $25.00 a pair with fabric or $25.00 + plus the cost of the fabric. Anyone interested please PM me and I’ll relay her contact information.
Btw, she labeled her pattern ‘Medieval Shorts’. ;)
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Well I picked up two new pairs of 14th Century Braies from my seamstress Sallie Jones. I gave her my poorly repaired originals from Revival Clothing as a sample along with 1.5 yards of pre-washed 100% black linen and she made some improvements, such as triple-stitched and additional fabric reinforced seams along the crotch. I haven’t tried them on yet but they look actually better than the originals.
I suggested she should keep the pattern in case someone else wanted to have her make a set. She is just charging $25.00 a pair with fabric or $25.00 + plus the cost of the fabric. Anyone interested please PM me and I’ll relay her contact information.
Btw, she labeled her pattern ‘Medieval Shorts’. ;)
Awesome. :)
Depending how poorly or well my dying attempt goes with mine, I may need a pair or two.