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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Thorsteinn on 2012-04-10, 02:21:24
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What is more period/better looking to attach an aventail to a helm with?
Use a strip of leather ala the Windrose Tried & True method or do a wire & metal strip attachement?
-Ivan
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I'm thinking of it as mine is a Windrose hat and was designed to have an aventail.
Like this:
(http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/images/armour_images/H-314.jpg)
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All I know is 14th century bascinets were historically attached to the leather via some sort of heavy thread in the examples I've seen. This is the Lyle Bascinet in the Royal Armouries, and you can make out the thread sewn through the leather and then the upper most rings of the aventail.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-M__aRm1tVAk/S2cDyITQVBI/AAAAAAAAAZE/lXxeC1Exu1M/s477/000feh12.jpeg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WgXuftZ3mj8/S2cDy_vNWHI/AAAAAAAAAZU/wq-LugSIwR4/s480/%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%88.jpeg)
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Ordered a Long SS Aventail from Master Knuut today.
With shipping it came to $235.
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woahh :o
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woahh :o
What? ???
Oh and I already got an email stating it's been shipped by Master Knuut (www.weldedchainmail.com (http://www.weldedchainmail.com)) How cool is that?! :D 8)
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Congrats, I've heard nothing but good things about the welded mail ... well, only complaints I've heard is price, but when you're the only maker in a niche market and production cost is high.... :)
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Congrats, I've heard nothing but good things about the welded mail ... well, only complaints I've heard is price, but when you're the only maker in a niche market and production cost is high.... :)
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Most aventails of that size cost more near as I can see. Icefalcon had a nice riveted one for $275. Sweet looking too but Knuuts have a rep for lasting a good long time with hard use.
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Congrats, I've heard nothing but good things about the welded mail ... well, only complaints I've heard is price, but when you're the only maker in a niche market and production cost is high.... :)
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Most aventails of that size cost more near as I can see. Icefalcon had a nice riveted one for $275. Sweet looking too but Knuuts have a rep for lasting a good long time with hard use.
Did you get it new or used? There was one on AA a little while back that was something like $495 or $595, I almost fell off my chair. I'd favor a riveted over welded at similar prices, since riveted is "more" historically accurate (not that either is near perfect..), but that's personal preference too. :)
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New from Knuut and from Icefalcon too.
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-aventail-large-ff80818117d2f8570117ec23cee66727-p.html (http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-aventail-large-ff80818117d2f8570117ec23cee66727-p.html)
Are you thinking of a Byrnie by chance?
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New from Knuut and from Icefalcon too.
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-aventail-large-ff80818117d2f8570117ec23cee66727-p.html (http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-aventail-large-ff80818117d2f8570117ec23cee66727-p.html)
Are you thinking of a Byrnie by chance?
I'm drawing a complete blank on specifics. Possibly this? (http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=135984&p=2020807&hilit=knuut+welded+mail#p2020807 (http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=135984&p=2020807&hilit=knuut+welded+mail#p2020807)), the WMA part caught my eye, but it's a helmet with the mail, so I don't think it was that. Maybe it was a titanium one I saw, and not stainless? This guy bought a titanium coif for $450 from Knuut (http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=123464&p=1807070&hilit=titanium+coif#p1807070 (http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=123464&p=1807070&hilit=titanium+coif#p1807070)) although it looks like he lowered his price to $400 (http://www.weldedchainmail.com/ordering.htm (http://www.weldedchainmail.com/ordering.htm)). It definitely wasn't a byrnie / haubergeon / hauberk. Might have been a coif instead of an aventail, I know it was head gear though.
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Yeah, the first is helm + mail. For mine that would be a $570 Helm + $225 Aventail + $10 bits to afix them together.
The TI thing makes sense. Since 2001 TI's gone way up in price (M-777 anyone?).
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no i remember his prices used to be in the 450s. due to labor cost, hmmm interesting
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It has arrived!
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very cool!
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Sweet! :)
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It has arrived!
3 days from click to your door? Nice!
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dang thats fast
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Smart purchase, I can't wait to see the results!
All I know is 14th century bascinets were historically attached to the leather via some sort of heavy thread in the examples I've seen. This is the Lyle Bascinet in the Royal Armouries, and you can make out the thread sewn through the leather and then the upper most rings of the aventail.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-M__aRm1tVAk/S2cDyITQVBI/AAAAAAAAAZE/lXxeC1Exu1M/s477/000feh12.jpeg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WgXuftZ3mj8/S2cDy_vNWHI/AAAAAAAAAZU/wq-LugSIwR4/s480/%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%88.jpeg)
I used the same method with some success as well as disappointment, most probably due to inferior materials and/or knowledge. The thread I used first was the Tandy waxed variety. After 8 total hours of SCA combat, the thread shredded (due to my inability to block a certain King's wrap shots ;) ). I then used the Tandy synthetic thread which seemed to last a little longer, but eventually failed in the same manner. Finally I just wove the top row of mail through the existing thread holes in the leather band. This was a cheat, but I haven’t had a problem since.
You might want to pony up for some much heavier thread as shown in the photograph. It may be that this heavier thread will wear much better.
If you find a source, please let us know!
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Sverdbrjotr (Sword-breaker) now engraved on both sides of the helm aventail strap. Time to punch the holes for the aventail.
I will be lacing it on with a double line of thread saddle stitch style.
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Todays progress. Tonight will be rivets & sewing.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=390088034364177&l=5ede6330b4 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=390088034364177&l=5ede6330b4)
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awesome. now how did you do it? any rings have to be removed to tighten it up? or added or what?
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awesome. now how did you do it? any rings have to be removed to tighten it up? or added or what?
What do you mean?
I attached the rings to the row of punched holes on the belt-weight leather band on the backside via a saddle & whip stitch combo.
Then I added some leather edging to the bottom.
Then I figured out where the 8 rivets had to go (2 are holding my chin-strap on).
Then I pulled out the nasal a little.
Then I did some riveting (the 6 holes I had to drill were too small).
Then I laced on the maille to the top facegrill bar.
I used the this topic (http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=111605&hilit=sewing+aventail+rings) to help with the patterning of the rings.
Shot of same helm pre- aventail.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/229977_205362546170061_100000889510293_603435_7822711_n.jpg)
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Rivets in.
Torse & favor on.
Padding & chinstrap in.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/541250_391043457601968_100000889510293_1195838_1048460299_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/563095_391042987602015_100000889510293_1195835_1155279641_n.jpg)
Hope to have some pics of me in full kit this weekend. :D
-Ivan
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Hey great! I look forward to seeing the whole kit.
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Me too, looks like you did a fantastic job there, Ivan.
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Me too, looks like you did a fantastic job there, Ivan.
Yep, great job Ivan.
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Awesome. I've always loved that look.