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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Wolf on 2009-05-30, 01:35:16
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man, my faire kit needs some serious upgrading. Looking at those pictures last year I went from hero to zero hehehe. I did manage to buy a new helmet and am working on making a mail shirt with long tapered sleeves but thats all I've got. I dunno what all to do to bring it up to Sir Ed and Sir Brian's level of par hehee.
any suggestions?
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Good question. Got any pics of the new helm? Thought about a crest+mantle+torse?
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http://www.museumreplicas.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/22_1_.jpg
(http://www.museumreplicas.com/popup.aspx?src=images/product/large/22_1_.jpg)
yes i was thinking of it. just not sure about how to go about making it. colors are black and grey/er white means the same in heraldry
guess I need to make a new surcoat to match as well. hmmm
hmm what do u figure to make a surcoat? a yard of each color or 2?
http://www.fabrics-store.com/first.php?goto=big_fabric&menu=f&menu=f&fabric_id=26 white
http://www.fabrics-store.com/first.php?goto=big_fabric&menu=f&menu=f&fabric_id=103 black
anything else I should add?
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From the research I did concerning the mantle and torse, the mantle was typically the knight's primary
color and metal. The torse was the colors of your lady as the torse was originally suppose to be the
scarf of your lady's colors given to the knight as her favor which the kinght twists around his helm to
keep the mantle in place while he is on crusade. :)
If your colors are black and white then may I suggest considering a checky/checker pattern
for at least the mantle. That pattern really stands out and has always been a favorite of mine.
I had considered it for my mantle originally but decided to do the torse in the black and white.
Do you have spurs? I will donate my old prick spurs to the cause if you want them. They are brass
and need to be polished after almost every use but they served me well, they are just a 100 years
past my harness's era. They are yours if you want them. :)
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I forgot, you did show us the helm. Duh :)
For a surcoat in two colors, you need 2 yards of each color, minimum. Think of it this way, you need 4 or 5 feet of height, front and back (like if you were making a ghost costume from a sheet), so you might as well round up to 2 yards for each of front and back. You need more if you double up layers, add a lining, or whatever. I just usually use a single layer of linen, though my all-white one was two layers of muslin to get it to a good thickness. Linen comes in a variety of weights, so I'd stay away from the really lightweight stuff unless you want to layer it up or line it.
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woah thats awesome Sir Brian! my humble thank yous would not even be enough for such a gift.
thanks for the surcoat thoughts. the 5.3 weight is what I usually use for all of my linen needs. I was thinking of using the Surger around the edges and seams since linen has that fun way of unraveling hehehe.
my helmet dates from 1275 to 1300 AD so thats the range I think I may shoot for. so I think I really need to get moving on finishing the sleeves/mittens for my hauberk and then putting mail on my legs.... who wants to have a mail making party? hehehehe.
I also need to make a decent heater. I just hope I can get that bloody curve right at the bottom.
the more I look at brass rubbing's the more it looks like the waist belt is really small (could be a rope belt even) and the sword belt is wide.... guess I gotta make one of those too. any issues with the cut down, epoxied blades at the MDRF yet?
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Mail-making parties are a good idea. As long as it doesn't just turn into a purely social event, and people actually work on it, it's a great way to get things done. I still have more mail work to do on mine too.
You're right about the belts, from what I've seen. Most belts people wear to faire and the like are way too thick and wide. I'm guilty of this as well. :) Period belts tended to be much thinner and more flexible, with the sword belts being a bit heavier due to needed strength.
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well catastrophe. I was making my heather this morning and split the wood in half. UG!!!!!!!!!! So I'm trying to convince the wife to let me pick up one of these http://www.kultofathena.com/product~item~AH6758~name~Small+Medieval+Wooden+Shield.htm I could redo the strapping or what have you since Sir Brian gave me the warnings. now as far as the stencil, I can not find a large seashell nor a rampart lion. and the more I look the more I like the grey/silver (metal) vs just the white(metal)
and who'd a thunk I need a goat on top of my head ;) anyone know of something that would work for that?
(http://www.fleurdelis.com/graphics/russell.gif)
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~familyrosebush/graphics/russell_arms.jpg)
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Yeah, the shields from KoA are a very cost effective way to go. No idea on the goat. :)
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maybe i'll make my helm have a small beard hehe get it goattee hehe sorry ;)
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ordered the shield like Sir Brian. there not open till Tuesday so it'll be a week or so till thats here.
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status update, I got the right mail sleeve finally to length. now all I have to do is sew it up and give it a good sand bath t get the oil off the rings I used. we'll see how I feel about adding mittens or length to the hauberk after I figure out the legs. ugg my fingers, ugg my BACK! I aint no spring chicken any more
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lol, yeah. When working on mail, I try to get into a groove, reclined back in front of the TV and working on the stuff in my lap, instead of hunched over it. With 2 pairs of bent needle-nose pliers, it doesn't mess up your fingers much. :)
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woah thats awesome Sir Brian! my humble thank yous would not even be enough for such a gift.
thanks for the surcoat thoughts. the 5.3 weight is what I usually use for all of my linen needs. I was thinking of using the Surger around the edges and seams since linen has that fun way of unraveling hehehe.
my helmet dates from 1275 to 1300 AD so thats the range I think I may shoot for. so I think I really need to get moving on finishing the sleeves/mittens for my hauberk and then putting mail on my legs.... who wants to have a mail making party? hehehehe.
I also need to make a decent heater. I just hope I can get that bloody curve right at the bottom.
the more I look at brass rubbing's the more it looks like the waist belt is really small (could be a rope belt even) and the sword belt is wide.... guess I gotta make one of those too. any issues with the cut down, epoxied blades at the MDRF yet?
You are quite welcome to the spurs. Just drop me a personal message with your shipping address and
I'll get them in the mail for you. Good choice on the shield! I regretfully cannot offer you the the same
as I did for Sir Ed and get it painted for you because I have not had the access to the same resources
as I did then, nor does it look like I will anytime soon. :(
As for a goat crest you could go with just the goat horns (then you'd be horny as a goat!) :D
All puns aside that is a plausible alternative to representing a charge, i.e. having just a portion of the
charge represented.
As for the stencils you may have to go the way of Sir Ed and fabricate your own. His turned out most
magnificently!
As near as I can tell with MDRF and the cut and epoxied blades...they are still allowed. The security
may closely scrutinize you but I've found that they consider my and Ed's harnesses to be so fetching
that they loath to despoil the affect they have by denying us the whole ensemble. ;)
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Apologies for the double post but I wanted the links to be easier to access.
Here is are some possible goat figures:
http://www.catholicmedalsgifts.com/goat-figure-p-11208.html (http://www.catholicmedalsgifts.com/goat-figure-p-11208.html)
http://www.stjudeshop.com/product/fontanini-nativity-standing-goat-figure/ (http://www.stjudeshop.com/product/fontanini-nativity-standing-goat-figure/)
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well go teh hauberk sleeves sewn up. now I notice I don't like the arm pit in the right side.. sigh. also realized I need to add about 2 solid inches to the wrist line (WILL IT EVER END) so glad I didn't tailor a riveted hauberk, what a pain in the back
on a good note I found my old deerskin black gauntlets in case I don't get the mittens done by faire.
My shield is on its way according to UPS and the wife said I could order my black and grey linen next pay check :)
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Awesome. :) Yeah, the mail never ends, or so it seems. And then, one day you're done, and it's magnificent. :)
Believe it or not, my aluminum hauberk still isn't done. I started that in 2000!!!! At least it was wearable in time for your wedding back then, but I really do need to sit down and finish it out. I need a few more inches at the bottom, and I need to add some triangular expansions on the sides at the bottom so it doesn't pull the split apart in the middle so much, and rim the splits and bottom edge in steel... then I think I'll finally be done.
I already rimmed the neck opening in steel a few years ago, which has gone a long way it keeping it in one piece.
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woah thats awesome Sir Brian! my humble thank yous would not even be enough for such a gift.
thanks for the surcoat thoughts. the 5.3 weight is what I usually use for all of my linen needs. I was thinking of using the Surger around the edges and seams since linen has that fun way of unraveling hehehe.
my helmet dates from 1275 to 1300 AD so thats the range I think I may shoot for. so I think I really need to get moving on finishing the sleeves/mittens for my hauberk and then putting mail on my legs.... who wants to have a mail making party? hehehehe.
I also need to make a decent heater. I just hope I can get that bloody curve right at the bottom.
the more I look at brass rubbing's the more it looks like the waist belt is really small (could be a rope belt even) and the sword belt is wide.... guess I gotta make one of those too. any issues with the cut down, epoxied blades at the MDRF yet?
You are quite welcome to the spurs. Just drop me a personal message with your shipping address and
I'll get them in the mail for you. Good choice on the shield! I regretfully cannot offer you the the same
as I did for Sir Ed and get it painted for you because I have not had the access to the same resources
as I did then, nor does it look like I will anytime soon. :(
As for a goat crest you could go with just the goat horns (then you'd be horny as a goat!) :D
All puns aside that is a plausible alternative to representing a charge, i.e. having just a portion of the
charge represented.
As for the stencils you may have to go the way of Sir Ed and fabricate your own. His turned out most
magnificently!
As near as I can tell with MDRF and the cut and epoxied blades...they are still allowed. The security
may closely scrutinize you but I've found that they consider my and Ed's harnesses to be so fetching
that they loath to despoil the affect they have by denying us the whole ensemble. ;)
WOWOWOWOW Sir Brian these spurs are great. that and I can't believe that the post office says they shipped on the 1st and here today is the 2nd and I have them. these will make a great asset to my kit! I don't drink but I'll buy you a beer/ale/mead etc at faire my friend!
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took a break on my hauberk to work on some chausses. i found some galv riveted mail that I am gonna sew up wit some butted links and then de galv once their together. heres to hoping it turns out ok
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While all you guys are working on armor, this off season I have been concentrating on the accessories. I have some finishing touches to put on a costume "sword" made of a wooden scabbard I am covering in leather to look real and a pommel with an approximately 2 inch aluminum blade that will be epoxied into the "scabbard". This will look very much like a broad sword. I sewed a Snapsack, which is essentially a period version of a dufflebag and is what soldiers used to carry their personal belongings in up even until the American Civil War. And I am now going to attempt to make a set of bone dice from instructions I have found from another reenactors page. He is a Roman era reenactor, but from what I have found bone dice changed very little from antiquity until the rennaissance. I'm finding that the more I am at Faire, it is the smaller, more mundane things that make a person's persona "real".
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hey thats cool. I have several kit accessories for different time periods. I'm just trying to get this current time line (late 13th C.) off the ground to at least look the part finally. My problem is my track record with the faire is usually only 1 day a year here lately.... (at least its once, I missed several years) and with that being I'm watching out for a Kindergardener so my focus is never on what I could look like rather than what she's doing hehehe. Maybe this year I can drag the wife and the young lad out to faire as well so I can relaxxxxxxxxxx. (NOT!!!)
hmmmm whens PA? I seem to remember they had paved trails, would make it easier on a stroller hehe
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PARF runs during MDRF, just with the schedule shifted one week earlier (usually). It's a nice faire, just a bit more of a drive. :)
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http://www.thecompaignyestore.com/html/coin_replicas.html you guys need to get some of these. i was looking at getting some of the Edward I pennys since they were from 1275-1300 era like my kit
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Mostly I've been concentrating on accessories because I simply can't afford the armor for my next kit, Tuetonic Knight circa. 1320-1350. Most of what I have been working on I can get or make cheap. Besides this, I have been trying to develope a deeper persona that would appear more real to faire goers. This is especially true since I am at PaRF almost every weekend and am often found in mixed company of actors and playtrons. I really enjoy the interaction with curious mundane faire goers and hope that by more acurately portraying a character from that period I can spark a deeper interest in Faire for them.
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(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs001.snc1/4393_1154316691405_1032321511_30473550_1978113_n.jpg)
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs001.snc1/4393_1154316691405_1032321511_30473550_1978113_n.jpg (http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs001.snc1/4393_1154316691405_1032321511_30473550_1978113_n.jpg)
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Awesome. Can't wait to see the shield painted up!
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what do u think of these leeds on goats for my helm?
5" tall and 6" long
http://cgi.ebay.com/Goat-Collectible_W0QQitemZ250434850526QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDecorative_Collectibles?hash=item3a4f148ede&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50
10" long and 10.5" tall
http://cgi.ebay.com/Fur-Goat-Figurine_W0QQitemZ170338435165QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27a8f6405d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50
8.5" tall x 9” long
http://cgi.ebay.com/Furry-Animal-Figurine-goats-NANNY-GOAT-FARM-WHITE_W0QQitemZ350209299352QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518a19d398&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A2|294%3A50
8.5" tall and 9" long
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dairy-GOAT-PLUSH-FURRY-FARM-ANIMAL-REPLICA-FIGURINE-wht_W0QQitemZ140324898324QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20ac040614&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A3|294%3A50
what are teh sizes of your devices? any of these strike your facny to look the best on a helmet?
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The first one looks more crest-like in a way, but it's also heavy, according to the description. The others are quite furry! I wonder if you could dye the fur to the color you want. :)
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The first one looks more crest-like in a way, but it's also heavy, according to the description. The others are quite furry! I wonder if you could dye the fur to the color you want. :)
I asked them about weight so we'll see. what do your crests weight in about? And if its metal I'm sure I can paint it
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The dragon was 2 pounds maybe. I never weighed it. The leather one is crazy light. A few ounces at most.
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hmm ok thanks.
what type of paint should I use that would be the best on teh shield? enamel? milk paint? etc?
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What level of authenticity are you going for?
For my shield, I did the stenciling with enamel spray-paints (Painter's Touch stuff from Home Depot).
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http://www.supermarinepaint.com/topside-mono-coat-SM-2020.asp
Epoxy paint maybe more expensive but OH so worth it. It is what is on
Ed's and my shields. The link has a wide assortment of colors and comes
in quarts! ;D
The size of my griffon crest is approximately 6.5" H x 8" W x 9" L, but that
is including the outspread wings. It is also hollow and made of vinyl so it
is nearly as light as the type of leather crest Ed has and I have as an
alternate.
Here is some other possible crests.
http://www.many-miniatures.com/prime/cat_domestic_goats.htm (http://www.many-miniatures.com/prime/cat_domestic_goats.htm)
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The dragon was 2 pounds maybe. I never weighed it. The leather one is crazy light. A few ounces at most.
just got an email back. the seller said it weight somewhere in the 1.5 to 2 pound mark. whatya think? should I get it and paint it?
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what do u think of these leeds on goats for my helm?
5" tall and 6" long
http://cgi.ebay.com/Goat-Collectible_W0QQitemZ250434850526QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDecorative_Collectibles?hash=item3a4f148ede&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50
ugg someone's bid it up.. WHY? WHY besides me would anyone want this dumb lil goat? hehehe,
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The dragon was 2 pounds maybe. I never weighed it. The leather one is crazy light. A few ounces at most.
just got an email back. the seller said it weight somewhere in the 1.5 to 2 pound mark. whatya think? should I get it and paint it?
If you can get it for a decent price you might as well! I have several "rejected" crests laying about. ;)
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its up to 20.50 after shipping and i'm finally the high bidder. less than 24 hrs to go so I'm sure to be outbid
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None of those vinyl goat figures tickled your fancy?
If your heraldry is suppose to be an argent goat I think painting whatever crest you choose
with a metallic silver paint would really set it off as opposed to just a basic white. :-\
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None of those vinyl goat figures tickled your fancy?
If your heraldry is suppose to be an argent goat I think painting whatever crest you choose
with a metallic silver paint would really set it off as opposed to just a basic white. :-\
na they weren't big enough. most were only 2 to 3 inches at max. my daughter i think even has one now that i think about it in her farm animal barn in the basement. the metal one will do fine I think. I'll be able to screw it onto a board and then maybe use the magnates to attach it to the helmet
how did you guys make the cloth part? is there a certain shape that I'm after or just drape it till it looks cool? ehehhe
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The mantle?
Well I did a basic one foot by two foot rectangle and my lovely assistant did the
stylistic draping and folding until it looked good. The folds are kept in place with a single,
craftily hidden safety pin. ;)
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Nothing special really. Both my mantles are completely different. The simple one I'm using the with leather crest is a deformed triangle. Basically think of a triangle with one point aiming backwards and a flat edge across the front so it can drape down to the sides, but with the part of the triangle in the center that sits over the back edge of the helm's flat top being "pulled" upward (a curvature in the center seam), to help the back drape down.
I didn't get so fancy on the other one. I think it was just a triangle, or would be if the seams came together, but instead they're pinned around the edges of the crest's base, so the sides drape down further that they would if it were sewn shut. Something like that.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250434848483 looks like I'll have to get this one. the other guy kept bidding it up too high. hmmm will paint stick to brass? hmm wonder if I could tin it.
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Sure, just give it a couple coats of primer. I like that one btw! :)
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Sure, just give it a couple coats of primer. I like that one btw! :)
:) then tell people to stop bidding on it ;) grrrrrrrrrr. this is frustrating.
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I debuted some of the new additions to my kit yesterday at the Midsummer Ren Faire in Lehighton, Pa. I had sewn around the plates in my Brigandine to make them stand out a bit more and to make my brig a bit different from what I see everyone else with one wearing. I also took my Snapsack, which I put a pair of pants, shirt, cloak, two pair of stockings, pouch with my dice and some fake coins, jewels, etc., my wrought iron silverware, and a mouth harp in to look more authentic (believe it or not I still had some room in it too). I got a great many compliments on how authentice I looked in the armor and with that on. I must have been asked about ten times if I was SCA and everyone was astonished I was not yet looked so authentic. I did learn a few things I need to change to fine tune carrying the snapsack for PaRF, but it looks like things should go well with it. It was a nice practice run for this season. Now I just need to get my bone dice made and find a deck of period playing cards I like.
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Midsummer faire? Sounds cool, is that at the same site as the regular PARF? I know they have a celtic fest earlier in the year too.
Sounds like you had a great time. Have any pictures? :)
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ya ya pictures
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Midsummer Faire is located at the Ukranian Homestead in Lehighton, Pa, about 2 hours north-east of the Manheim, Pa location of PaRF. The only 2 pics I have are of just me, but I have not downloaded them from my camera yet. I have a few pics of me on my myspace page (myspace.com/madmanpsu). I am sorely lacking in updating my pic sight, so I may have to work on doing that one of these days. I have a host of pics from VARF, MDRF, and PaRF from various seasons. I suppose it would be very interesting to see the evolution of my faire persona over the years.