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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Ian on 2013-06-05, 21:36:01

Title: Saint George Patch
Post by: Ian on 2013-06-05, 21:36:01

So you may have seen on DoK or AA a post I made about the historical validity of placing 'patches' on to maille aventails in period.  We've found a couple examples in both art and on effigies to support that this was a possibility.

I like the look of it, and thought I would make my own.  So, impression is English, I went with a cross of Saint George.  I didn't intend for it to be a 'Hey look I'm English!' kind of identification patch, although it would indirectly serve that purpose.  I meant for it more as a knight emblazoning the cross of his country's patron saint on his armor as a prayer of protection.  This would be similar to how shields and armor were painted with holy symbols, or edged with the words of the Pater Noster, or some personal prayer... etc.

Anyway, I want to know which one people think looks better.  The shield bearing the Cross of Saint George, or the rectangular flag?  Both are hand sewn from linen, the cross itself is felt, and hand-stitched to the linen backing.  I will then use waxed linen thread to sew it to the maille if / when I decide to go this route.

Thoughts?

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5325/8962524458_f8b4f16cbc.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5458/8929029249_f37e836469.jpg)

In period artwork:
(http://manuscriptminiatures.com/static/miniatures/cache/miniatures/original/49-10_gallery.jpg)

On an effigy:
(http://webcollection.landesmuseen.ch/original/DIG-11348.jpg)

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-06-05, 22:03:25

I like the shield style. It shouldn't be needed for identification, either; a french knight would be the one with his back to the battle and running away or waving a white flag. :)

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-06-05, 22:19:30

neither send the entire thing to me so i can wear that helmet in shame. lol

i kinda like the shield shape better.

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Sir William on 2013-06-06, 13:40:16

Well, the rectangle evokes the flag, so to speak....I like them both, actually, altho the effigy you posted has a shield shaped one.  That's very cool...I've never noticed that before.

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-06-06, 14:26:33

I think both look great. It's tough to decide.

See how helpful I'm being? :)

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Ian on 2013-06-06, 14:28:28

I'll just cover the aventail in variously shaped patches of the Saint George cross! :)

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-06-06, 14:28:52

Quote from: Sir Edward on 2013-06-06, 14:26:33

I think both look great. It's tough to decide.

See how helpful I'm being? :)

ya in other words, buy another helmet w/ aventail and put the other one on it

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2013-06-06, 19:20:56

My friend Helga wears these as can be seen here:

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/970758_588498354523143_2138038517_n.jpg)

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Ian on 2013-06-06, 19:54:39

Oooh!  Her's looks really good!

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-06-06, 20:24:44

but man whata photobomb by that guy that hogs the picture (lol jk)

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-06-07, 02:24:33

Quote from: Sir Wolf on 2013-06-06, 14:28:52

Quote from: Sir Edward on 2013-06-06, 14:26:33

I think both look great. It's tough to decide.

See how helpful I'm being? :)

ya in other words, buy another helmet w/ aventail and put the other one on it

Seconded! :D

Quote from: Thorsteinn on 2013-06-06, 19:20:56

My friend Helga wears these as can be seen here:

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/970758_588498354523143_2138038517_n.jpg)

That does look really nice. In that picture, are you saying "And when I get mine done, I'm going to put it right here too"?

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: B. Patricius on 2013-06-07, 02:26:43

That does look amazing.  And like everyone else, I'm a fan of the shield design.

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2013-06-07, 09:53:52

Forgot to say that the pic is of me & my consort Mistress of the Pelican Alizan Dela Fontaine at Invocation for Coronet. The card in my belt is mine for the lists mistress. I ended up challenging the young lady, Lady Helga Skjaldmær, with the aventail patch for my first round fight. I used his Majesties Daneaxe and lost due to some tactical errors.

aka my friend of many years beat me like a harp seal.

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-06-07, 12:59:07

I agree. Shield look best.

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-06-07, 17:49:25

Man, I am really digging that shield patch the more I look at it. Thorsteinn, your kit looks great there too.

Title: Re: Saint George Patch
Post by: Sir Brian on 2013-06-10, 09:19:47

I like them both but the shield design has a bit more appeal for me. :)