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Title: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-07-26, 00:20:11
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This is my current kit minus the helm as I got my new helm. Considering I am going to days of knights I want to improve it to be better than it already is. Not sure what to add to it but I dont think I will be able to find chausses that will fit me without me cutting them apart and making them smaller to fit my stick legs. Dont want butted maille either cause I heard butted chausses come apart easily. I been considering getting GDFB stuff and just sending it to a tailor to get resized to fit me. I got a templar knight surcoat by them that needs tailoring to fit me properly but I been thinking of doing Teutonic knight instead as Ulrich is MUCH more of a teutonic knight name but considering I already got red belts maybe I should just stick with templar.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Ian on 2012-07-26, 00:38:05
Keep in mind that you probably won't want to be in armor for 72 hrs straight, where are you on your soft kit?

As far as chausses go, I think you really may just have to bite the bullet and resize a pair yourself.  Plenty of people here can guide you through it, you just have to be willing to do the work.  The alternative is to skip chausses, and just go for some padded cuisses perhaps?

A surcoat like you mentioned should be high on the priority list because that will really tie it all together, and it would even hide a lack of chausses if you decide to go that route.  Accessorizing your kit can really help sell the impression as well. Pouches, a pater noster... little things like that make a kit look more 'real' and authentic.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-07-26, 02:23:41
Yeah I need a surcoat though I DO have one I just need it resized as it's WAYYY too big on me
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With that new helm I got it should look good along with my maille, only issue is my maille is blackened and I dunno how good that would look with this and my coif, though my coif is a dark grey thanks to the oil blackening. Now If I can find a place that sells padded chausses for a good deal and in my size I would be thankful. Just want them in black so it doesn't show the dirt. Maybe I'll just get the GDFB ones and take em to a tailor though I wish they covered the shins too. Maybe I should get a new surcoat that fits me but I want to tailor the one I got to fit me better.
Soft kit wise I got an underwear kit from Historical Enterprises and I just need an outer tunic for the 13th century and I will be all set for a soft kit as I got almost everything else. I don't want the gown tunic they offer I want something shorter so yeah.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-07-26, 13:50:50
There's quite a few places that sell the GDFB chausses. Having them tailored should be very easy, since they're laced, and not "tube" fit.

MedievalCollectibles.com sells some very cheap padded forearm / lower leg black padding. Like $15 cheap. I doubt it's high quality, but at $15, certainly would work to get started with, especially considering it would probably be under chausses anyway.

If you get mail chausses, it's also acceptable to cut off the excess in the back and lace them together with some leather cord. Early chausses didn't cover the entire leg, and were open in the back. That could be a good 'interim' point between getting them fully tailored and closed in.

Butted mail will work, and will lose rings. Riveted mail will lose rings too. The main difference is, all things equal, the riveted mail should lose less rings, less often. If you get butted, get galvanized steel, not aluminum - the aluminum is too soft and will stretch even more. Beyond that, they seem to really frown on aluminum mail for Days of Knights - even says so on the site/facebook.

Only other thing I can think of is to have a period drinking container.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-07-26, 20:31:49
There's quite a few places that sell the GDFB chausses. Having them tailored should be very easy, since they're laced, and not "tube" fit.

MedievalCollectibles.com sells some very cheap padded forearm / lower leg black padding. Like $15 cheap. I doubt it's high quality, but at $15, certainly would work to get started with, especially considering it would probably be under chausses anyway.

If you get mail chausses, it's also acceptable to cut off the excess in the back and lace them together with some leather cord. Early chausses didn't cover the entire leg, and were open in the back. That could be a good 'interim' point between getting them fully tailored and closed in.

Butted mail will work, and will lose rings. Riveted mail will lose rings too. The main difference is, all things equal, the riveted mail should lose less rings, less often. If you get butted, get galvanized steel, not aluminum - the aluminum is too soft and will stretch even more. Beyond that, they seem to really frown on aluminum mail for Days of Knights - even says so on the site/facebook.

Only other thing I can think of is to have a period drinking container.

Butted Stainless Chausses ($64.99) on ebay.com. Perfect for you. I posted this previously with comments under another topic.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-07-27, 01:14:21
They have them here but I am unsure if they got them in stock for now, last time I ordered from him it took almost a year to get them. http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/steel-chainmail-chausses-regular-ff808181179c9ac201179d91716b368f-p.html (http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/steel-chainmail-chausses-regular-ff808181179c9ac201179d91716b368f-p.html)
 This is the only place I can find riveted ones besides by the sword, and they cost a bit too much for my price range and I doubt they'll fit me. Butted is a bit heavy thats the reason I dont go after it. Also not sure if it would rust due to being close to the ground so I sorta want ones without feet cause putting them on and lacing them properly is a big pain. Think I may just go for full blown padded chausses or do what Sir Nathan did and have cheater chausses made from a bit of riveted maille with the thighs hidden under the GDFB upper leg padded chausses. I cant really go for galvanized maille  because it will look terrible with my dark grey/black armor and oil blackening it like I did my coif would be impossible due to the zinc fumes. They DID sell blackened ones on amazon but they're now out of stock. Looks like I'm out of luck then and I might just buy the icefalcon ones but my current budget is only 500 bucks max.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-07-27, 02:13:14
They have them here but I am unsure if they got them in stock for now, last time I ordered from him it took almost a year to get them. http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/steel-chainmail-chausses-regular-ff808181179c9ac201179d91716b368f-p.html (http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/steel-chainmail-chausses-regular-ff808181179c9ac201179d91716b368f-p.html)
 This is the only place I can find riveted ones besides by the sword, and they cost a bit too much for my price range and I doubt they'll fit me. Butted is a bit heavy thats the reason I dont go after it. Also not sure if it would rust due to being close to the ground so I sorta want ones without feet cause putting them on and lacing them properly is a big pain. Think I may just go for full blown padded chausses or do what Sir Nathan did and have cheater chausses made from a bit of riveted maille with the thighs hidden under the GDFB upper leg padded chausses. I cant really go for galvanized maille  because it will look terrible with my dark grey/black armor and oil blackening it like I did my coif would be impossible due to the zinc fumes. They DID sell blackened ones on amazon but they're now out of stock. Looks like I'm out of luck then and I might just buy the icefalcon ones but my current budget is only 500 bucks max.

IceFalcon Armory is expensive but quality stuff. You sure you want to spend that much money for chain-link pants??????
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Ian on 2012-07-27, 03:16:11
Andre, the proprietor of Icefalcon is currently at Pennsic so he's out of the office for a bit, but normally he returns emails very quickly regarding whether or not he has things in stock, you just have to ask him. I just asked him about stainless wedge riveted aventails last week and he got back to me in a day about what he did have, didn't have and when he expected it.  You just have to ask him.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-07-27, 04:00:02
I'm gonna email him about it when he returns from Pennsic

In all honesty I don't want to spend much but I really want my first living history event to go as a knight Templar. I am tired of the whole "foot soldier" deal I been doing for years and think it's about time I go as a crusader knight for once. Maybe I should tone down my kit and go as a knight from the first crusade? But then I wont be able to use my new helm in that fashion which is period for about 1210. I just really need a list of things to get for this and I have like 2 months to prepare for this and I am really looking forward to it and I really want to be satisfied with my kit for this. This isnt just a casual ren faire outfit like I normally do this is living history event. Just need a list of things I'd need for it. Not sure of the kit requirements to be considered a knight and not just a common foot soldier. If someone could find me a set of cheaper chausses that are BLACKENED as well I would like that. Only reason is I want it to match my coif and hauberk and not have that blue galvanized finish that I sorta dislike on butted maille.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Brian on 2012-07-31, 12:39:51

Not sure of the kit requirements to be considered a knight and not just a common foot soldier.


Gilded spurs should be considered the primary requirement to make the distinction between these two.  ;)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-08-16, 21:38:23
I ordered a pair of maille chausses from Icefalcon. This will cost me a bit but I think it would be worth it, so all these teenage idiots at ren faires wont start going "oh I'd just hit you in the legs". Getting a C belt from Viking Leathercrafts as well to hold them up. Now to get padded chausses to go under them as well as a new aketon for my hauberk.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-08-17, 12:55:32
You made a good choice. Icefalcon is worth the money for the chausses. I have a pair and they fit me great out of the box (didn't even tailor them) ... though I did get the "large" ones. If you got the regulars, you should have a pretty close fit. If there's a little slack, well placed lacing will fix that, and still look period.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-08-17, 13:12:59

I'm pretty sure I got the size-L as well, and I didn't need to modify them either. They worked just fine. IceFalcon is one of the better ways to go for mail these days.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-17, 14:01:34

I'm pretty sure I got the size-L as well, and I didn't need to modify them either. They worked just fine. IceFalcon is one of the better ways to go for mail these days.

You guys with your big legs...guys with skinny legs like me and Ulrich, always need to tighten things up a bit to get them to fit.  :)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-08-17, 16:12:06

I'm pretty sure I got the size-L as well, and I didn't need to modify them either. They worked just fine. IceFalcon is one of the better ways to go for mail these days.

You guys with your big legs...guys with skinny legs like me and Ulrich, always need to tighten things up a bit to get them to fit.  :)

More beer and pies! :D
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Brian on 2012-08-17, 16:51:02

I'm pretty sure I got the size-L as well, and I didn't need to modify them either. They worked just fine. IceFalcon is one of the better ways to go for mail these days.

You guys with your big legs...guys with skinny legs like me and Ulrich, always need to tighten things up a bit to get them to fit.  :)

More beer and pies!
or Donuts! :D

*fixed* ;)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-17, 16:58:04
Liars!  I tried that already, mixed in beer and spirits as well to augment said properties- hence the, uh, waistbelt issues.  lol
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-08-19, 08:08:04
I can't gain weight, theres like something wrong with me I swear. I hope these fit me though cause I am looking forward to having a full set of maille. Maybe I should get a coif by him too cause my current one don't match and I want it all to match. Actually I'd like to get it attached to the hauberk so I can fight in head to toe maille similar to the maciejowski bible.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-08-19, 12:16:59

If the chausses are a little loose, be sure to tie some laces into it and cinch it down in a few places, like the ankle, and right below the knee. It'll help enormously.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-08-21, 12:42:50
He called me today and said he's shipping them today so i'm gonna be getting them soon. The polish company got back to me about the gambeson and said 100 bucks for the shipping for padded chausses and gambeson. So once I get this stuff all there will be satisfied with my kit other than my sword belt.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-08-21, 14:14:31

Excellent, I'll look forward to seeing some pictures of it all together. :)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-21, 15:32:50
Same here!  What's wrong with your swordbelt?
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-08-22, 04:00:18
It doesnt have a decent attachment to it and it forces it to be on my RIGHT side when I myself am right handed and it should be on my LEFT side.
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Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-08-22, 09:25:50
Well digging through my closet I found an OLD double wrap sword belt from the Christmas of 2005 that I never used because it needed a scabbard sword to fit it. Needless to say it fits the Tinker Norman rather well, I am not sure if this is exactly period but it looks a LOT better than the unsightly sword frog I used to always use.
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Never thought I would actually find a use for this but I rather like it, it doesnt even weigh me down either, it's a LOT more comfortable to wear than the sword frog with the regular belt. Saves me some money too cause I was ready to get another frog that looked better. Personally to be honest I HATE sword frogs, every time I buy one I am NEVER satisfied with the final look, it always looks modern or out of place. This belt actually fits in pretty well.
I was wondering if any of this would look better than this http://www.theinnerbailey.com/sword-frogs.htm (http://www.theinnerbailey.com/sword-frogs.htm) But I am running out of time and need to get this done by the end of September. It gives the illusion that the sword scabbard is part of the belt which I like so maybe I will pick up one. I just want to look as historically accurate as possible.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-08-22, 09:41:49
I have that same double-wrap sword belt in black leather, stainless buckles, with a celtic trim that I use for my formal attire with my great/long sword. Works great. I hide mine under my knight sash so it's not noticed. Looks good, Sir Ulrich.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-08-22, 10:22:03
The only problem with it is it's really tight, like SUPER tight, i'm not sure if I could fit it over my maille and my belt for my maille chausses. Shame really cause I really like the look better than that stupid frog I use that looks like something out of a BDSM store or a Hot Topic.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-08-22, 13:47:38

The problem with those triangular frogs is that they're not period. :) Also, they're not adjustable, in that they hold the sword in just one position.

The double-wrap is closer to period, and usually you can play with adjustments on them. If you need to add holes for the belt buckle, that's easy to do with a leather hole-punch. They're cheap and easy to use.

BTW, the loops that hold the scabbard should have the upper one going to the front of the belt, so that it prefers to slant the hilt forward. It looks like you should be able to just switch them around.

Having the waist-belt nice and snug is good, so it doesn't move around on you, but like I said, if you need to add a hole to let it out a little, that's not hard to accomplish. Though I see you don't have a lot of belt left, sticking out of the buckle.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-22, 14:29:08
Ulrich, generally speaking you'll want to stay away from frogs in general as they're not very historical, as you've been able to tell just by looking at it.  How you ended up with a lefty frog is anyone's guess.  I bought one of the Inner Bailey Swordbelt of the Circle options for my wedding, it isn't bad if you don't already have a scabbard set up with an integral rig.

If you're in need of a good beltrig, I'd send that Norman out to the Crusader Monk (www.crusadermonk.com (http://www.crusadermonk.com)) - he can build you a scabbard with an integral suspension system for around $200, and there's a good number of color and design options to choose from, including tooling, stamping and accent work under the leather itself.  He did my HT Bastard, including a custom grip (he can do that as well).  Now, he isn't completely historical in that he doesn't sew the back seam of the scabbard and he doesn't line them like some of the upper echelon scabbardmakers do but other than that, in looking at them, it is hard to tell the difference.  He currently has a one week turnaround time.  Here's mine:

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Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-08-22, 21:12:31
Sir William, that came out nicely. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-08-23, 00:32:37
That stuff you linked to Sir William, thats nice stuff. It's also in my price range more than the other custom stuff. I am considering getting my grip done as well as get a belt thats attached to the scabbard. I wonder if he could redo my Tinker scabbard for a cheaper price than the regular ones.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-23, 15:15:45
Sir James, thanks- it did, made it much more attractive w/out actually doing too much to the sword itself- other than touching up the blade and doing a new wrap on the grip.

Ulrich, send him an email, his name is Jon Sarge- he's a good guy, customer-oriented so he's open to whatever you want.  If he can do it, he'll tell you so and likewise, if he can't, he'll let you know that too.

He could definitely re-wrap your scabbard if you were so inclined, and set up a suspension rig to integrate with it, giving it a much more historic appearance than a frog, or the double-wrap belt you have.  He can also rewrap the grip if you wanted and he's got a pretty good choice of colors that you can have for your scabbard, belt and grip.  He could even do an under the leather decoration, like a cross- or he can tool or stamp one (or more) wherever you want them.  In fact, he may have some suggestions- consider them, he knows what he's talkin about.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-09-20, 23:43:24
Well considering I didnt have enough time to custom wrap my scabbard and get a new intetgrated sword belt I ordered a sword frog from the inner bailey
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May not be the most historically accurate thing but it does give the illusion that it could be an integrated sword belt, and looks a LOT more period than that UGLY triangular one I had.
I do plan to eventually upgrade my sword but considering the time constraints I had to go for this and it doesnt look BAD at all unlike the other sword frog I had.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-09-21, 02:36:40
:) just make sure to hang it off the correct side hehehe
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-09-21, 16:09:58
LOL @ Sir Wolf

He might be a lefty like me!  ;)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-09-23, 22:06:23
Yeah, for some reason that crappy sword frog I had was a left handed one so I HAD to hang it off the wrong side. I honestly hated that thing, it was so crappy. This inner bailey one is MUCH better and I like it a LOT more than the other ones the laces make it look more period. I am picking up a new sword though, I want an albion but they dont come with scabbards.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-09-25, 16:52:40
Albions definitely do not come cheap, although from time to time you can luck up on a sale.  Best bang for your buck in terms of a sword and scabbard w/suspension rig is probably going to be along the lines of a Valiant Armoury offering. 

http://www.valiant-armoury.com/swords.php (http://www.valiant-armoury.com/swords.php)

Check them out if you haven't already...they're made with Angus Trim designed blades that are forged in China or India (I forget which, but Sonny has a QC process in place to pick out the occasional dud and his customer service is excellent) and they all come with handmade wood-cored scabbards w/integral belts and suspension- all for around $400.  I believe DSA is also doing this, but they've developed their own blade profiles (I find them clunky, but the DSA Knight that Sir Nathan owns is quite a bit nicer than their earlier offerings so take that w/a grain of salt) so you may want to talk to some owners before going with what they have.  I had a VA arming sword (singlehander) that was performance custom tuned by Angus himself, then further customized w/new furniture, fittings and scabbard and belt system built by Slayer (who no longer does this sort of thing or so I understand).  My point is, you can make it happen if you want to.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-25, 21:39:16
You can buy scabbards separately. Arms and Armor don't come with a scabbard unless you buy it with one - I still picked one up, and I'll get a scabbard for it eventually, too. I have lots of swords without scabbards. If worst comes to worst, just keep them in the tattered carcass of slain enemies, right? :)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-09-26, 14:06:21
I think Ulrich likes the total package...plus it keeps the edges from cutting other things, namely himself.  Or the cat, if he has one.  lol

In any case, A&A swords like Albions cost a good deal of money; such swords need a comparable scabbard, no?  The price of say, the Black Prince w/a DBK scabbard will run you well over $1600- for that price he could have four VA/Atrim swords with scabbards and belt rigs.  VA swords are good swords too, I've had a couple.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-09-26, 17:38:58

To me, the scabbard is the second half of the sword. It's OK if the investment is different between the two, but if you're going to spend a lot on a sword, it should also be OK in your head to spend as much on the scabbard & suspension as well.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-26, 19:12:14
I think Ulrich likes the total package...plus it keeps the edges from cutting other things, namely himself.

Completely understood. :) Just pointing out that if he wants an Albion, the lack of the scabbard shouldn't be the deciding factor, since it's easily taken care of.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-09-26, 22:06:11
Yeah I mainly go after swords WITH scabbards because unlike most of you I have limited income. Already spent excessively on armor but this was my money I mainly got for Christmas and birthday so yeah. I do want an Albion and hope to work on getting one with a scabbard, only issue is they'll be sharp and my parents arent too keen on having a sharp weapon in the house for whatever reason.
I wanted the Reeve for my birthday but my parents got me the Hanwei Tinker Norman saying it's the same basic design for a cheaper price. Prolly gonna get that upgraded rather than get an Albion yet, I do like the Ritter though and the Reeve. Round pommels dont appeal to me nearly as much. I probably will pick up the Valiant armory Castile when it's back in stock as it looks rather nice, only thing I dont like is the pommel isnt peened. I did look for a place where it was in stock but couldnt find it. It's also in red which I also like because my colors are red and black. Though for my teutonic knight persona the ritter is prolly the best choice.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: SirNathanQ on 2012-09-27, 02:37:22
Ulrich, I'm 17. As of now, I have what is known as NO income, to be only supplemented by summer job and paying for many of my things that I want.
Don't go buying an Albion just yet. Get your full kit together, then save up some more and get the Albion.

I have a humble Tinker and Darksword, both of which I am very proud of. Are they Albions? No. are they meant to be? No. Are they insanely functional and good swords? Yes.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-09-27, 12:38:15
Yeah I mainly go after swords WITH scabbards because unlike most of you I have limited income. Already spent excessively on armor but this was my money I mainly got for Christmas and birthday so yeah. I do want an Albion and hope to work on getting one with a scabbard, only issue is they'll be sharp and my parents arent too keen on having a sharp weapon in the house for whatever reason.
I wanted the Reeve for my birthday but my parents got me the Hanwei Tinker Norman saying it's the same basic design for a cheaper price. Prolly gonna get that upgraded rather than get an Albion yet, I do like the Ritter though and the Reeve. Round pommels dont appeal to me nearly as much. I probably will pick up the Valiant armory Castile when it's back in stock as it looks rather nice, only thing I dont like is the pommel isnt peened. I did look for a place where it was in stock but couldnt find it. It's also in red which I also like because my colors are red and black. Though for my teutonic knight persona the ritter is prolly the best choice.

Check these guys out, I just bought a new blade from their KRF armory store. Quality craftsmanship.

www.sabersmith.com (http://www.sabersmith.com) (out of several nidwest & NE ren-faires or order online from Mighigan)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-27, 17:11:14
Yeah I mainly go after swords WITH scabbards because unlike most of you I have limited income.

I assure you, I have limited income. If not, I'd be posting from the 12th floor of the archers tower in the keep of the castle. :)

I'm 33, just last month bought my first Arms & Armor sword, have no scabbard, and no Albions either. Everybody has different resources and desires, and they will change over time. As the (self-proclaimed!) resident high-level armor addict, I applaud the work you've been doing on your kit/armor. And, when it's in the scabbard, there's hardly any difference to the mundanes between an Albion and a wall hanger.

Just saying, no need to lose hope - you can get an Albion later, and you can order a scabbard with it directly from Christian Fletcher (such as http://www.christianfletcher.com/Christian_Fletcher/Albion_Medieval_Single-Hand/Pages/Reeve.html (http://www.christianfletcher.com/Christian_Fletcher/Albion_Medieval_Single-Hand/Pages/Reeve.html)). You'll have more financial resources as you get older, if you're willing to sacrifice in other areas.

Sir William's suggestion for the VA/Atrim swords is great for your current situation - Christmas coming up in a few months and such.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Brian on 2012-09-27, 17:44:59
Sir James probably brings up the most prudent point. If you want a good looking sword for the sake of nothing more than a wall / waist hanger then the exorbitant cost of a high end blade is hard to justify.  :-\

Yet if you have all the intension of practicing with the blade in solo drills and such then you might want to consider getting a high end blade. For me I wanted my first Albion to be a practice sword that I would hopefully get many years of actual use with and now that I consider my skill worthy of it I will in the next couple of weeks be the proud owner of an Albion which could be put to actual use.
– Zombie apocalypse, etc.   ;)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-09-27, 18:47:15

Yep, cheap swords have their place. I still own a couple of $40 wall hangers that are doing just that-- hanging on a wall.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-09-27, 23:22:32
Guess I will stick to my Tinker Norman, I could get it refinished to look like a high end sword as well so I think i'm well off with it. It's just hard to find a sword that would fit a Teutonic knight as I'm unsure if they even used brazil nut pommel swords. But whatever the case I am gonna put about 50 bucks aside a week to buy an Albion in the future. And by limited income I meant being unemployed. Well I aint exactly jobless I do odd jobs and handywork which I would prefer to working as a grocery store or fast food place but it isnt as secure as I'd like as somedays I'll make a lot others I wont.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Ian on 2012-09-27, 23:30:42
I want to meet these members of the Order with unlimited income, and become really good friends with them!  Reveal yourselves!  ;D
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-09-28, 04:02:21
Guess I will stick to my Tinker Norman, I could get it refinished to look like a high end sword as well so I think i'm well off with it. It's just hard to find a sword that would fit a Teutonic knight as I'm unsure if they even used brazil nut pommel swords. But whatever the case I am gonna put about 50 bucks aside a week to buy an Albion in the future. And by limited income I meant being unemployed. Well I aint exactly jobless I do odd jobs and handywork which I would prefer to working as a grocery store or fast food place but it isnt as secure as I'd like as somedays I'll make a lot others I wont.

Yeah, saving up for a while is a good way to go. Albion also has a Layaway plan, so you can throw some money at them periodically, and when it adds up to the price of the sword, you get in the queue.

My first "battle ready" sword (based on my limited experience of what that meant) was a sword I got at the renfaire back at the end of the '80s and I was in my teens. I saved up all summer for it. It really meant something when I finally got it.

Brazil-nut pommels are probably fine. They were very common prior to the 12th century, so since you're going for an earlier sort of look anyway, I think you can make the argument for it.

I want to meet these members of the Order with unlimited income, and become really good friends with them!  Reveal yourselves!  ;D

Me too! Either that or I need to win the lottery and become one! ;)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-09-28, 04:19:44
Ya hear that!! Sirs Edward & Ian are looking for the forum Sugar-daddy. How quaint!!!  ::)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-09-28, 18:05:32
My first real sword was an older Windlass cut-and-thrust model (that was what it was called too, iirc); I happened upon it after I'd gotten discouraged when all I could find were places like CRKT at the mall and the various flea-bag markets in and around Baltimore - all wall hanger garbage but for a beginner, it was like striking oil for the first time.  Til I started learning about swords, really learning- by hands-on experience first (my first few wallhangers broke under use, as they were supposed to, but scared the crap outta me) and later on from reading.  A lot.  Anyway, it was about that time that I started researching jousting and imagine my surprise when I found out that it was still being done.  Came across the King's Champions- one in particular, Lloyd Clark, became somewhat of a 'hero' of mine.  He used the same sword in his competitions so that was the one I went with.  I still have it...and have plans for it too.  It has a stupid screw-off pommel.  lol
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-09-28, 18:13:17

Threaded pommels have their place. It does make modifications to the grip a lot easier to do.

Also, there's a historical account of someone using one in a duel. In judicial duels, there was a time when the rules required the opponents to start by throwing one of their weapons at the other guy, and this one person unscrewed his pommel and threw that. Threaded pommels weren't at all common, so it's suspected that he had it built that way just for this purpose, and that the hilt was probably still peened together in front of it.

But yeah, swords of all price-points can have their place. It's also worth mentioning that some of the A&A swords are cheaper than Albions, and they're quite good.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-10-04, 09:16:51
http://darksword-armory.com/products-page/medieval-swords/the-norman-sword-1303/# (http://darksword-armory.com/products-page/medieval-swords/the-norman-sword-1303/#)
Checked this site out and saw this. I like it better than the other norman sword they got, the other one I dont really like how the blade tapers too much and has the round looking crossguard but this one looks nicer with its flatter crossguard and less tapering blade. Just wondering if its scabbard comes in black. Only complaint I got about it is the pommel looks a bit small on it.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-10-04, 13:25:00

DSA does a good job for the price. That's not a bad way to go.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-10-04, 13:52:32
http://darksword-armory.com/products-page/medieval-swords/the-norman-sword-1303/# (http://darksword-armory.com/products-page/medieval-swords/the-norman-sword-1303/#)
Checked this site out and saw this. I like it better than the other norman sword they got, the other one I dont really like how the blade tapers too much and has the round looking crossguard but this one looks nicer with its flatter crossguard and less tapering blade. Just wondering if its scabbard comes in black. Only complaint I got about it is the pommel looks a bit small on it.

Call/email and ask. They have other items with black leatherwork, I think they could.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-10-04, 18:02:05
I think black is their normal go-to color so it shouldn't be an issue.  Eyal's pretty good at accomodating customer requests; he knows good customer service is key to attracting and retaining customers.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Ian on 2012-10-05, 01:07:22
I don't know anything about their quality, but the Lutel swords on Kult of Athena mostly come with scabbards as well.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Brian on 2012-10-05, 01:18:47

DSA does a good job for the price. That's not a bad way to go.

I have their dueling sabre blade on my Hanwei Pecoraro Sabre and it is SOOO sweet!
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-10-05, 01:40:33
I don't know anything about their quality, but the Lutel swords on Kult of Athena mostly come with scabbards as well.

I vaguely recall Sir Gerard mentioning them as a good maker on the other side of the pond?
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-10-05, 03:18:10
I don't know anything about their quality, but the Lutel swords on Kult of Athena mostly come with scabbards as well.

I vaguely recall Sir Gerard mentioning them as a good maker on the other side of the pond?

I've heard generally good things about them. They sound like they're decent for the price as well.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: SirNathanQ on 2012-10-05, 04:25:53
Ulrich, I forbid thee from buying the old Norman or naming your sword anything pertaining to sharp swords leaping from Christ's mouth and beating down the wicked. That's my shtick!  ;)

But really, I can't recommend Darksword enough. Did I mention that my Darksword tears through 18g steel like butter?
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-10-05, 11:51:15
Ulrich, I forbid thee from buying the old Norman or naming your sword anything pertaining to sharp swords leaping from Christ's mouth and beating down the wicked. That's my shtick!  ;)

But really, I can't recommend Darksword enough. Did I mention that my Darksword tears through 18g steel like butter?

Well then lucky for me Sir Nathan because my 16g steel is more like burnt toast (i.e. hard)  ;D Feel free to use your Darksword to spread that butter with some strawberry jam as you will NOT be having my armor for breakfast. LOL   :P
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: SirNathanQ on 2012-10-05, 18:18:03
It's ok. You're supposed to go AROUND the armour, remember?  ;)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-10-05, 21:26:45
It's ok. You're supposed to go AROUND the armour, remember?  ;)

Sorry, my warhammer disagrees with that commentary. :) Pound & pommel is more fun than slice & dice.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: SirNathanQ on 2012-10-06, 05:02:22
I've got a warhammer too. Also, reach!  ;)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-10-06, 05:24:00
I've got a warhammer too. Also, reach!  ;)

Showdown!!! Bring it on stretch!!! It's hammer-time!!!! :)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: SirNathanQ on 2012-10-07, 15:38:28
Ok. I propose the bout to be at DOK.  :)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-10-07, 19:57:17
Ok. I propose the bout to be at DOK.  :)

All fine & good but I won't be attending DoK. :( :( So who shall be my champion in lieu of my absence??? Hmmmm.... I proclaim 'Sir Thumb' is the one to teach this young lass a thing or two about 'bouting with his elders.' Sir Thum .. I mean Sir Brian.... do you accept my offer?? LOL :)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Brian on 2012-10-07, 21:48:29
Nay Lord_Dane I cannot be your champion in this duel as I will not be attending DOK either for I have a much more important date that weekend...namely my 23rd wedding anniversary!  ;)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-10-07, 23:45:13
Nay Lord_Dane I cannot be your champion in this duel as I will not be attending DOK either for I have a much more important date that weekend...namely my 23rd wedding anniversary!  ;)

Alas. Guess we'll postpone the warhammer clash til first meeting Sir Nathan. :) Don't worry, I won't forget. My wife & I have our 4th wedding anniversary this Friday. Going to celebrate at CTRF Saturday for the day where we wedded.  ;D
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Ian on 2012-10-08, 00:56:59
Congratulations are in order for both Sir Brian and Lord Dane!  Many more happy anniversaries to both of you!
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: SirNathanQ on 2012-10-08, 02:52:36
I second that! And Lord Dane, I await the chance to enter into honorable combat with you  :)

and I've already been taught my lessons about elders by Sir Brian's oberhau. Taught me some lessons on reach as well, while he was at it.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-10-08, 06:26:19
I second that! And Lord Dane, I await the chance to enter into honorable combat with you  :)

and I've already been taught my lessons about elders by Sir Brian's oberhau. Taught me some lessons on reach as well, while he was at it.

Thank you both. :) Side note:  Hmmmm. Was that lesson on 'reach' that the longsword has more than the offending arm?? LOL :)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Brian on 2012-10-08, 09:00:13
My thanks as well! I told my lovely bride just yesterday when she complained about her failing eyesight that it is to my advantage her eyes are failing her because as the years go by I am not looking any better...I just have to hope her memories of how I looked in my younger days do not succumb to senility! ;)
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-10-08, 10:11:29
My thanks as well! I told my lovely bride just yesterday when she complained about her failing eyesight that it is to my advantage her eyes are failing her because as the years go by I am not looking any better...I just have to hope her memories of how I looked in my younger days do not succumb to senility! ;)

That works. My wife just accepts me for my ugly. :P
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-10-09, 14:21:02
Congrats to the both of you...Ulrich, what did you end up doing?
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-10-10, 01:53:51
I bought a sword frog from the inner bailey and it looks better than my old one. Thats the best I can do in this small time frame.
Title: Re: Improving my kit for Days of Knights.
Post by: Sir William on 2012-10-12, 14:29:41
Hey man, it'll work in a pinch til you can get something more permanent...I think your kit looks just fine as it is.