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13th and 14th c. Kits
Sir Douglas:
--- Quote from: Sir Aiden on 2014-02-19, 20:55:10 ---Could I get away with intergrated for the 14th century?
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If you weren't concerned with 100% accuracy and wanted to cheat a little bit, you could always get a hauberk, coif, and mufflers as separate pieces, then cleverly layer them to look integrated when you wanted integrated, but still be able to have them as separate pieces if you needed them thusly. You might be able to get a little more mileage out of a single set at the price of sacrificing a little bit of accuracy. Of course, that's entirely up to you and how historical you want to be. Just throwing it out there. :)
--- Quote ---I am more intereted in the leg protection that covers the front and back. What are those?
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You mean in plate? Those would be greaves. Schynbalds just protected the the front and started appearing about mid-to-late-13th century. Some of them seemed to be nothing more than simple gutters, though the better ones probably would have had at least a little shaping to them.
Greaves, on the other hand, fully encased the leg and require very precise shaping in order to properly fit. They came in a little bit later than schynbalds.
Aiden of Oreland:
How about for the ring style? I know both times used riveted, but how about the round/full rings intergarted with the riveted. If it helps I am a German knight.
Mike W.:
Sir Aiden,
In my experience with Civil War reenacting and reenacting in general, it's generally better to start out with what ever is most representative and cheaper, then after you get some experience, work on building up your kit, or expanding to other kits. For example: I started out as Federal Infantry. The gear for Federal Infantry is readily available and inexpensive. I bought the machine stitched coat and the foreign made cartridge box. But now that I've been doing it for four years am I starting to replace foreign made leathers with stuff from particular craftsmen and am starting a Surgeon kit and a Cavalry kit. The trick is getting just enough to get involved, then amassing knowledge and experience from your comrades. Right now, I'm working on a 11th century Norman kit as it allows me to break into the hobby with little expense. Then as I talk with people, interact on the forum more, participate in events, etc. amassing knowledge, only then will I start to acquire new kits or upgrade my kit. Nothing educates you about a time period like reenacting.
My recommendation (based on reenacting other wars, so take that into account) is to start out with the cheaper kit and gradually work your way up, focusing mostly on learning. That way when you do get to pursue a 14th ce kit, you'll know exactly what you need and where to get it and can avoid costly mistakes (and you may even develop the right connections to purchase used items at cheaper prices). Hope that helps.
Sir Ulrich:
Ok you're looking for the same Era as me essentially, I could help you out a bit with this. I'd suggest full leg chausses as the latest reference for tie in the back ones is about 1250 and the Dargen great helm wasn't used till at least 1280. I own the same great helm you want and it's the nicest helm I own pretty much:
I got it customized to have an aged appearance to look around 30 years old, and I use silk ribbons instead of leather ties to hold the liner in. The Dargen helm can be used all the way from 1280 till at least 1330. If you're doing a German knight you are in luck because they held onto the older designs longer than England and France did, plus the Dargen helm is German. This helmet is well worth the money but if getting other things is your first priority I would suggest getting the riveted maille first. The allthebeststuff maille is worth the price and is decent enough quality, you can even get a full set for less than what I payed for my hauberk ALONE. Had I known about this stuff I would of gotten this instead so take your chance to get all this cheaply. I'd suggest getting the round ring riveted with alternating flat punched rings as that can be used anywhere from the dark ages up to the late medieval. My maille is only period from about 1230 onward as it's wedge riveted. Round riveted just avoid the flat riveted round riveted as that stuff is pretty "cheese grater" like to gambesons due to the rivet heads being on both sides, the round stuff is more forgiving on the gambesons and the half solid link stuff even more so as theres less rivets. Just make sure you get the one with tapering sleeves as the bingo winged ones are unsightly and require tailoring like I did to mine. If you have any questions I sent you a friend request on Facebook and I can pretty much walk you through making a late 13th early 14th century kit quite easily.
Heres how my kit looks by the way http://www.flickr.com/photos/8765199@N07/10596356694/#in/set-72157637221932746/lightbox/
Aiden of Oreland:
--- Quote from: wilburnicus on 2014-02-20, 01:05:28 ---Sir Aiden,
In my experience with Civil War reenacting and reenacting in general, it's generally better to start out with what ever is most representative and cheaper, then after you get some experience, work on building up your kit, or expanding to other kits. For example: I started out as Federal Infantry. The gear for Federal Infantry is readily available and inexpensive. I bought the machine stitched coat and the foreign made cartridge box. But now that I've been doing it for four years am I starting to replace foreign made leathers with stuff from particular craftsmen and am starting a Surgeon kit and a Cavalry kit. The trick is getting just enough to get involved, then amassing knowledge and experience from your comrades. Right now, I'm working on a 11th century Norman kit as it allows me to break into the hobby with little expense. Then as I talk with people, interact on the forum more, participate in events, etc. amassing knowledge, only then will I start to acquire new kits or upgrade my kit. Nothing educates you about a time period like reenacting.
My recommendation (based on reenacting other wars, so take that into account) is to start out with the cheaper kit and gradually work your way up, focusing mostly on learning. That way when you do get to pursue a 14th ce kit, you'll know exactly what you need and where to get it and can avoid costly mistakes (and you may even develop the right connections to purchase used items at cheaper prices). Hope that helps.
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I entirely agree. I am thinking that I will save the 14th c. for when I begin to partake in SCA and other things of the sort. Luckily I have both the time and patience. So I will start putting aside money for the future!
Sir Ulrich,
Then i may just make the purchase after all. Nice kit btw. I will definitely contact you.
So another question still remains... What shall I wear on my feet? What type of shoes or boots should I wear?
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