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"No youth can fight tenaciously..."

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Thorsteinn:

--- Quote from: Sir Nate on 2013-10-25, 02:42:14 ---Ive forced myself to believe I could fight that way.
Therefor I believe I can only fight that way.
I hate fighting, Never been in a fight.
But I always want to get in a fight so I can show I can be ferocious in battle.
I don't want to fight for I am scared of what I would do to someone if they starting throwing punches at me.

--- End quote ---

I've been in my share of fights and Dresden has the right of it:

"I am not a skilled martial artist. But I know a little, picked up in training with Murphy and some of the other SI cops over the years at Dough Joe’s Hurricane Gym. Real fighting is only slightly about form and technique. Mostly it’s about timing, and about being willing to hurt somebody. If you know more or less when to close to distance and throw the punch, you’re most of the way there. But having the right mind-set is even more important. All the technique in the world isn’t going to help you if you come to the fight without the will to wreak havoc on the other guy."   -Harry Dresden

Ancient Knightly Wisdom (True Quote, no matter the source)

Sir Nate:
wow that's, something I feel like I needed to hear.
Thank you Thorsteinn.

Sir William:
I have learned over the years that an unwillingness to get hurt is more detrimental to the outcome of a fight than the skill of one or the other.  It isn't easy, that first time but once you've been hit and you don't shy away or run from it, learning how to fight becomes easier.  You may not always win, but it won't be the big unknown beast it once was.

I did some boxing as a kid; I'm pretty good with my hands but didn't develop a true aptitude for the sport because I didn't like getting hit and I didn't like pounding away on anyone- unless I'm angry.  But that's different and has no place in sports; in any case, I learned that it wasn't that big a deal (still don't like to get hit tho lol) and later on, I learned that if need be, I can rise to the occasion.

Roger of Hoveden's remark is spot on- albeit for an earlier time when one's skill or lack thereof could be mean the difference between being alive and being killed.  Still, if you're interested in MMA or any of the more visceral martial arts you won't really know what you're capable of until you've heard your teeth click inadvertently from a powerful blow to the face or body and how you react.

Sir Nate:
well ive wrestled with my brother sicne we were kids.
but there was this time i wrestled this big kid, who was really muscular and i wasnt, I was doing ok until the second round we went he got me in a headlock and I heard my jaw begin to crack, and everything began to go purple.
then I realized he wouldnt stop until I was knocked out, so I gave in.

I also think I lost that day because I was fighting for no Cause what so ever.
But I don't really look at that as a serious fight. just something meant to open my eyes a little.

Sir Brian:
I’ve done a bit of fighting in my day. Brawling with siblings and friends is akin to mixing it up with your comrade in arms – i.e. shipmates, barracks roommate, etc. You might be trying to bust their nose or blacken their eyes but for the most part you really don’t have the intention to inflict permanent damage because subconsciously you know the person you are fighting and up until that point of violent conflict were at the very least neutral to each other or on the same side which essentially inhibits the full effectiveness of you tenaciously fighting them. The same condition applies when training (regardless of how intense the training is) in any martial art whether with or without weapons. – Control to a certain measure is applied often times in various degrees within each combatant’s psyche in addition to outside influences – authorities showing up to end the conflict, referees to limit the engagement (tournaments, boxing/MMA matches, etc).

However in an actual fight (bar fight, street fight, and combat?) there is the fear factor that either overrides those ‘safety’ governors or induces a flight reaction. It is the element of the unknown concerning your adversary’s intentions, skills and tenacity that invokes the fear within, as it should for all you know you are about to engage in battle with your killer. – A sobering thought that demands you give it careful consideration of what extent you will carry the fight. The example you provided Nate is a good start. You stated that it opened your eyes. How so? A headlock is a basic ‘unskilled’ attempt to control and subdue an opponent which relies upon exerting leverage upon the head using superior strength. – If it opened your eyes then you should realize that you need to learn how to quickly and easily breakout of these kind of basic holds or convince your opponent it is in their best interest to immediately release you.

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