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Riveted Maille Aventail
Sir Brian:
--- Quote from: Sir Wolf on 2013-05-10, 15:58:23 ---a sheet of mail won't help you with an aventail. you need to make expanding rows to the rows will flair out and make a circle. i haven't seen a entire brass one before. just brass edges
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So you don't think it would work for me to use my removed existing aventail as a rough pattern to cut away the excess links? - Makes me want to try it first on some other excess material just to prove if that is a sound theory or not. ;)
--- Quote from: Sir Edward on 2013-05-10, 16:20:48 ---This doesn't help with the brass issue, but one way to do an aventail is to cut down a coif. It's mostly the same thing anyway, with the helm replacing the upper part of the coif.
It might be easier to do that and then brass-edge it with a few rows or something.
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I've consider this as well and may end up doing it this way for a mild steel one with brass edges. :-\
Sir Wolf:
lol no, if you look carefully at the rows on your aventail you will see some rows have an extra ring here and there. this allows the mantle to open up.
a coif will already have this expanding row. so if you cant find an aventail, get a coif and cut the top out of it. :) it's the same thing
Lord Dane:
--- Quote from: Sir Brian on 2013-05-10, 12:59:50 ---I am sorely tempted to replace my aventail on my bascinet with a more authentic/expensive riveted aventail; however the pickings are a bit slim. Anyone have any recommendations? – Oh did I mention I want mine all flat brass riveted rings? – Just because I like to be different AND difficult. ;)
I have a line on getting the brass rings and if I must I’ll make my own but only if I can’t buy or commission it for a reasonable price, less than $300.00
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Sir Brian, not sure if you are motivated to make one but brass rivoted maille rings by the 1,000 package is pretty cheap at medieval-fightclub. I bought to tailor the edging on my black ring maille.
Sir Wolf:
oooooooooooooo dare dare dare!!!!!!!!!!!
B. Patricius:
--- Quote from: Sir Brian on 2013-05-10, 12:59:50 ---I am sorely tempted to replace my aventail on my bascinet with a more authentic/expensive riveted aventail; however the pickings are a bit slim. Anyone have any recommendations? – Oh did I mention I want mine all flat brass riveted rings? – Just because I like to be different AND difficult. ;)
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Sir Brian, it appears the jolly old sailor in you is showing through! Personally, I think the brass would look EPIC on your kit, but then again I'm a bit biased as I am a jolly old sailor too and I want brass anywhere and everywhere I can! ;D
As Sir Wolf said, expansion rows are critical to getting a coif to lay right. It's much the same as a cappa clausa, period liripipe hood, or any other kind of cowl. It's basically a circle opening with a larger circle on the perimeter. Here's a drawing of the top of a coif, with a central ring, if you just "expand" that with a neck hole instead it's much the same as an aventail or coif.
If you were to use only a strip rectangle that was parallel and equilateral on the two longer sides and shorter sides, it would wrap around and leave a big triangle opening. I wish my camera would work so I could post pics of everything since I did that as an experiment (why not sort of way) when I was making my gallowglass coif. For that one, the mantle ended up being four very large trapezoids, it created the "corners" seen in the effigies as well. A standard coif, aventail, mantle has expansions basically dispersed throughout to make it fit right.
Here's a great resource I've used almost as a bible of sorts for all my mail work:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/trevor.barker/farisles/guilds/armour/mail.htm#sect4-1
also all the drawings I have posted come from his site. Excellent resource. Pay special attention to the "expansion" section. It's kinda confusing when you start, but makes more sense as you go.
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