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inspiration and reference I:33 and earlier medieval/crusades martial arts
B. Patricius:
I must say the side-tracking is hilarious! At the moment, Sean (I believe is his name) founder of Claiomh, he and that group are looking into precedence for strapping the claymore on their backs, however it would have been only to keep it there, never to draw from. That and it is specifically very Gaelic in nature, and 15th/16th century to boot.
Back to original topic, any way to see what an authentic kite shield was made from or out of? Because in all seriousness, plywood, let alone laminated plywood is so much heavier than basic wood. Its weight is from all the glue keeping it together. Wouldn't surprise me if the shields weren't nearly as heavy as we think. After all if it was too clumsy, something else would have taken its place all the quicker. Round shields had been around forever. The kite had its purpose, same as the heater. If I had access to my old shop's tools, I'd be able to work up a slatted kite shield in a manner of about a day, 3/4" thick, 3-6" wide slats, all with an interlocking finish. Although, admittedly, they didn't have lathes, table saws, and routers back then either... so maybe I can still try to make it with only my hand tools. I do like working with wood by hand. It's a "Gibbsism" of mine according to my friends ;)
It'd be interesting to find out. After all, before Peter Johnsson and others, and it's sad to say, to the vast majority of people still, WMA and their weapons was just a bunch of brutes clubbing it out. Something I will forever try to abolish in the minds of people willing to listen.
YIS
B. Patricius
PS: In the most respectful manner possible, Sir Edward, any way can we steer clear of using the term "sword and board" for movements, and works with the kite/heater shield and earlier single handed broadswords? My only reason for this is the negative connotation I at least have noticed associated with "sword and board." Either side, basically a simplified version would be SCA vs HEMA/WMA use "sword and board" it seems at least on other forums for a pervasive manner. Of either SCA: "Sword and board" is our "art, a-frame, flat-snapping ass-wrapping good time with a stick" and HEMA/WMA then using that as a way to argue them being different.
Personally, I tire of both. And I do mean this in the most respectful way. I know plenty of us enjoy the SCA, HEMA, WMA, etc etc. In fact, I do all the above, as one can always learn from another if given the opportunity.
I just wish to steer clear of the term within this discussion for the simple fact that what I have personally seen within the SCA and HEMA/WMA community is the difference between the "stick" and the "sword."
I hope that cleared the water out the get go, and didn't make it muddier. If it did, I guess I can go into further detail. And again, these are all based on my own personal observations, however seen at numerous wars within Caid, West, and Atenveldt, vs WMA/HEMA training schools I have had the privilege to train at across this country.
Sir Edward:
--- Quote from: B. Patricius on 2013-05-10, 03:47:04 ---PS: In the most respectful manner possible, Sir Edward, any way can we steer clear of using the term "sword and board" for movements,
--- End quote ---
Fair enough, I've altered my wording.
B. Patricius:
I honestly would like to know how a discussion of I:33 became something entirely random on broadswords being strapped to your back? Because also knowing that Lord Dane was the one who started it, I can't help but feel a tinge of sarcasm within it. Especially when I had already posted about a very reputable group looking into the idea that Gallowglass warriors possibly at least carried their massive swords on their backs. I own a few claymores and let me tell you, carrying that thing any other way is more impractical than any kind of evidence refuting the fact they could or should.
I mean come on, really? what happened to respecting the original poster's requests and topics rather than hijacking a thread? I, may be new to this group, but I have a fair bit of knowledge, particularly within the realms experimental archaeology. Which I:33 being adapted to an earlier time period is one of my studies. I'd like to know what the joke is? It's one of the older surviving documents, it's easy enough to see an evolution of martial arts from an earlier style in a "newer" one. I am really disappointed seeing as it's Lord Dane, who I assume is a member of the law enforcement community, and Sir Ian, a Navy Officer who also happens to be a pilot and both very respected within the medieval re-enactment community as a whole.
I just can't see anything having to do with back scabbards being anything but a sarcastic joke especially with members I know already know quite a bit. I just see it as something more as a "I:33 related to earlier martial arts, what a joke, let's add to it" kind of response...
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time believing it at the moment. *and that concludes my soapbox rant by the noob not understanding inside jokes or sidetracks at all.
Sir Edward:
Yeah, I think it's just a sidetrack in this case. Sorry for the thread derailment.
I've split the back-scabbard discussion out to here:
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,2482.msg35552.html
Lord Dane:
Sorry for any topic change. I was just curious as I was thinking of carrying my longsword in a baldric and wanted to know how historical it would be with my kit. That's all.
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