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Sir Wolf:
i would say "hey! look at dat der greenish shield wit them funny squiggles on it"

Sir Edward:
Yeah, you can really go batty trying to figure this out. :)

I think technically the counterchanged cross is separate, since the "per cross" refers to the primary division only. Technically it's an overlaid counterchanged cross (as an ordinary) on top of that, and it's technically layered on after the other charges. There's also a "cross filet" diminutive that implies a thin-lined cross. Again, I could be wrong.

Here's a great primer that the SCA site has:   http://heraldry.sca.org/primer/index.html

Their site actually does call the division Quarterly, though I always knew it as Per Cross before.

Sir Edward:

BTW, as a reference, here's how I blazoned my arms:



"Per bend sinister argent and azure, a dragon couchant to sinister azure, a crux ansata argent, on a bend sinister sable a sword argent."

... and here's how the SCA heralds wanted to word it:

"Per Bend Sinister Argent and Azure, on a Bend Sinister Sable between a Dragon Couchant Contourny Azure and a Crux Ansata, a Sword Argent"

I don't think mine was technically wrong, but that's how they altered it.

Sir Wolf:
:) i got several answers for ya here. but a lot of people 1 think the inner cross is too thin 2: the color on color touching issue wouldn't fly. but that just might be SCA rules or something I don't know, and 3 the charges are reversed or something. here's what they say:  http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=85479&highlight=

Quarterly vert and sable, cotised & counter-changed, 1 and 4, a griffin rampant Or, 2 and 3 a rose slipped and leaved Argent

Quarterly, Vert and Sable, 1 and 4, a griffin rampant Or, 2 and 3, a rose slipped and leaved Argent, overall a cross quarterly Sable and Vert

Quarterly vert and sable, a cross counterchanged between in bend a griffin rampant contourny and a griffin rampant Or and in bend sinister two roses slipped and leaved Or.

Quarterly 1st: Vert, a gryphon rampant to sinister or; 2nd & 4th: Sable, a damask rose stalked and leaved argent; 3rd: Vert a gryphon rampant or; overall a cross counterchanged.

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=85479&highlight=

Sir Edward:

I haven't gone and read the thread over there yet. But I'm assuming the numbering of the quadrants to be an SCA convention. I don't think that was done historically, since the order they're specified, as well as the colors, determines where they are in the overall design.

But I agree that defining a "cross" to cover the counterchanged portion would imply much thicker lines, so I think it's really more of the "cross filet" diminutive, which implies very thin lines. But I don't know if ordinaries and diminutives can be counterchanged internally like that, so there might be a completely different name for that component.

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