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Gotta get this off my chest.
Sir William:
Ivan, where does it say that you may not bring up the SCA in topic? I thought his response to be somewhat 'huffy'...but I was also confused by your second post. What is Rule #1 of the Fighting Ring?
Thorsteinn:
I did once show both my old roommate & my old instructor my A game. They both whined and blamed their loss on other reasons than I was better than them.
This also happened to Gemini Asonte when he went to compete against the Western Circle of Swordsmen and defeated the entire school at least once, and the head if the school in that mans chosen form 10 out of 10 passes. The man apparently made excuses towards Gemini about why Gemini beat him. At CombatCon Gemini won one tourney there against other WMA/HEMA folks. This win was barely acknowledged by anyone who felt the SCA deficient.
@Sir William: Rule#1 of the Fighting Ring is "Don't be a Dick".
Sir William:
Ha! And I was going to say that mod seemed like he was being a dick, but every board's got at least one, right?
Of us all on here, I'm probably the one who is closest to being such...at least, to hear my wife tell it. Well, no, she says I'm an asshole...which I think is worse AND better. lol
Ian:
I think the best lesson to be had from SCA simulated combat that translates to other styles of simulated combat is the ability to deal with getting hit and not get flustered. Also, quick decision making while being struck is not something you can train for without actually doing it. These skills translate to ANY martial activity. The fighter's mindset is something that can indeed be learned through training for SCA heavy, and will pay off in HEMA. A person who's never been hit before will have a steep learning curve when picking up a martial sport for the first time. An SCA veteran already has that advantage when transitioning to WMA/HEMA, but beyond that, I cannot say the SCA has much historical validity when it comes to actual technique in battle or single combat because it's simply not based on historical treatise and manuals.
--- Quote from: Sir William on 2012-02-09, 22:21:23 ---Who is to say that wrap shots weren't in some way performed?
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While it's true we cannot actually rule things like this out, the mere fact that techniques like this are not described anywhere in the treatises on historical warfare and judicial combat are pretty good indicators. We can suppose a lot of things, but without evidence we can't claim it's a valid historical technique. /$0.02
It's not a shot at the SCA to say that their sport is not historical in technique. The HEMA / WMA community takes it's historical sourcing very seriously and I think that's why the SCA thing is a sore topic for a lot of them, because the SCA acknowledges that they 'bend' the rules on history a bit to enjoy their game more, which is perfectly fine, but the HEMA / WMA community chooses to strictly adhere to historical technique, and can't be blamed for following through on this.
Thorsteinn:
--- Quote from: Ian on 2012-02-09, 22:43:13 ---but the HEMA / WMA community chooses to strictly adhere to historical technique, and can't be blamed for following through on this.
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On this I throw the flag as I hardly ever see them doing, or talking of doing, any of the historic formats that we have clear evidence of like fights at the barrier, holmganga, pancration, mixed weapons, and unarmed combat. Right now all I see in the American HEMA is a bunch of people arguing over how to do a simulated unarmoured duel with matched longsword simulators and no Hand-to-Hand moves.
Many of the fights I have seen have bad form and bad follow through. Both Battle of the Nations and the Laurin Tourney are better than the HEMA Alliance for this right now.
Frankly the HEMA community needs to be able to say what it is, and not what it is not before it can be taken seriously. Right now it's arrogance does not match its renown or prowess.
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