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Sword and heater shield.
Joshua Santana:
That is what I thought, and after examining the image, I can say this is some evidence of arming sword having the capability to break or crush Helms.
I also see both combatants using two different stances, one which is narrow with the left foot forward and the other combatant standing with his left foot forward but in a wide stance. This is very crucial in reconstructing Medieval Sword and Heater Shield combat.
Sir Vander Linde:
Yes it is from Codex Manesse. I found it interesting not because of the foot work or even the sword cleaving the helm but because of the shields, one is held and the other is on the arm. Could some shields have a transitional form of use? Such as being capable of being held and when needed slid up the arm in such a way to create greater leverage with out messing up tempo?
Also I have a few images of shield work I’m trying to get down in pixel number from Codex Wallerstein & Gladiatoria. They are to large currently to post.
Sir James A:
--- Quote from: Joshua Santana on 2013-03-22, 15:42:24 ---I also see both combatants using two different stances, one which is narrow with the left foot forward and the other combatant standing with his left foot forward but in a wide stance. This is very crucial in reconstructing Medieval Sword and Heater Shield combat.
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Be careful not to take the artwork as proof of different stances. They may simply be in the transition between stances, but not in a stance itself. Best to look at proper fechtbuchs, but since we don't have any for that style/period, the art work is good to see at least some of how they fought, even if we can't reconstruct it entirely. :)
--- Quote from: Sir Vander Linde on 2013-03-22, 18:05:42 ---Yes it is from Codex Manesse. I found it interesting not because of the foot work or even the sword cleaving the helm but because of the shields, one is held and the other is on the arm. Could some shields have a transitional form of use? Such as being capable of being held and when needed slid up the arm in such a way to create greater leverage with out messing up tempo?
Also I have a few images of shield work I’m trying to get down in pixel number from Codex Wallerstein & Gladiatoria. They are to large currently to post.
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The shield is of interest. It may be a separate strap (guige strap) for carrying over the shoulder, or it may be a looser arm strap that he just slid up his arm, or possibly some odd evolution of going from the ailettes (square shoulder pieces) to a shield that hangs higher up on the arm? Hard to say, but very interesting!
You can post a link to the picture, if the pixels are too high, instead of embedding it.
Joshua Santana:
--- Quote ---Be careful not to take the artwork as proof of different stances. They may simply be in the transition between stances, but not in a stance itself. Best to look at proper fechtbuchs, but since we don't have any for that style/period, the art work is good to see at least some of how they fought, even if we can't reconstruct it entirely. :)
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Thank you Sir James, will take that in consideration.
--- Quote ---he shield is of interest. It may be a separate strap (guige strap) for carrying over the shoulder, or it may be a looser arm strap that he just slid up his arm, or possibly some odd evolution of going from the ailettes (square shoulder pieces) to a shield that hangs higher up on the arm? Hard to say, but very interesting!
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Yep.
Lord Tristin:
Sword and Shield is one of the styles of combat I feel truly comfortable with. I have practiced on my own and with anyone I can find for years. Heater shields make excellent offensive weapons, I have used two and no weapons per se on several occasions. Shields on an edge hit are formidable attacks. try blocking an attack with your sword, stepping in and striking the edge to your opponents forearm holding their weapon. follow with a shield bash and downward shoulder strike.
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