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The Campaign / Re: Need Advice Regarding SCA Combat
« Last post by Cedric of Havenhall on 2018-02-07, 20:33:23 »
Try experimenting with some other fighting styles.  When I first started in the SCA (many, many years ago) I was skinny and had trouble hitting hard enough when fighting Sword and shield, then I discovered polearms and a whole new world opened up for me.  So try some other things until you find what works.  The important thing is to have fun with it. 
The Armoury / Re: Mail chausses/ Padding
« Last post by Ser Cor Volaire on 2018-02-05, 05:55:45 »
Looking for help with XIIIth Cen. style mail Chausses. I am trying to find a set of lace-back Chausses, riveted of course. My request is two-part; first any sources for the chausses themselves, secondly any help with fitting them properly. Authenticity is key for me.
The Round Table / Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Last post by Ser Cor Volaire on 2018-01-23, 02:58:37 »
Sir William,
Any further updates on your project?
The Round Table / Ever go" Nope, not gonna be one of them"?
« Last post by Thorsteinn on 2018-01-18, 17:16:11 »
Have you ever had the feeling that the more you talk to the knights of a particular reenactment/medieval group, the less you would want to be one?
How can the Order keep that from happening?
The Armoury / Re: Linen suppliers
« Last post by Thorsteinn on 2018-01-15, 15:39:48 »
Second Fabric Store dot Com. My gambseon is made of their stuff and I believe https://www.linengarb.com/ gets their stuff from there too.
The Great Hall / Re: Happy Christmas all!
« Last post by Lord Dane on 2018-01-12, 07:15:11 »
Better yet, don't give me reason to arrest you. Stay home.

Yes but that would mean the Massholes would have to listen to you, and they don't do that as we all know.  ;D

And when did I ever give people an option as if it was a choice for them?? None to recollection. :)
The Armoury / Re: Linen suppliers
« Last post by Jon Blair on 2018-01-10, 20:13:47 »
Fabric-store.com is my go to for linen. They have it in various weights from 2.5oz/sq yd to 10.2 oz/sq yd in various colors. If you are looking for underwear type, I'd go with their bleached IL019 (all purpose/middleweight) or IL020 (lightweight/handkerchief). They have a softened fabric option.
The Armoury / Linen suppliers
« Last post by Steven Good on 2018-01-10, 06:50:26 »
Ive Looked every where for some white linen to make a Simple Shirt and Braes. I've ordered Swatches and they are all too rough to be rubbing against my skin. Any suggestions ? Links would be appreciated
The Armoury / Re: 15th cen' Gothic Gauntlets - Plated or Scaled fingers?
« Last post by Nick on 2018-01-08, 07:35:25 »

Hey Ian! Thanks for the response, I appreciate it! I'd never seen a close-up of the gauntlets on that armour, it's cool to see an image of it. I've also seen your video on gothic gauntlets and I do agree that properly made mitten-style ones can be very nice looking. In terms of functionality, though, I'll be sticking with the fingered ones for my first pair. I know they're less protective, but I value the finger dexterity too much and personally prefer the aesthetics of them.

I'll be getting my pair of gauntlets custom made, and I've actually gone through and measured each individual finger joint (length, width and circumference) to send to an armourer. With any luck, the finished result will fit me very well.

I also wasn't aware that the second image was of a reproduction! Whoever made it knows what they're doing, in that case. They're gorgeous! I thought they were genuinely an incredibly well-maintained historical piece.
The Armoury / Re: 15th cen' Gothic Gauntlets - Plated or Scaled fingers?
« Last post by Ian on 2018-01-07, 17:04:28 »
Hi Nick,

As you've noted, finger plates are more common on surviving gothic gauntlets than scaled fingers, although scaled fingers are present on probably the most famous of all gothic armors, the KHM A62 armor (the one Max I gifted to Sigismund of Tirol). 

Here's a closeup of A62's left hand:

I don't know that one is necessarily more protective, but they are both very comfortable to wear from a practical standpoint.  Gothic mitten gauntlets are also an option and they are definitely more protective than any type of fingered gauntlet. I've worn earlier style gauntlets with both plated and scaled fingers and they've both felt very good (I would even give a slight edge to the feel of the scaled fingers I wore).  Admittedly they were both made by a very competent craftsman.  Like you said, getting a 'good enough' fit with scaled fingers is pretty easy since precise measurements are not really necessary other than the general overall length of the finger.  Plated fingers need to be pretty darn close to the measurements of your individual finger/knuckle placement or they can cause problems.  Most people will be pretty similar in finger proportion but if you have particularly non-standard fingers then you'd really need to make sure the sizes of the individual plates are fit to you. 

If the aesthetic is most important to you, choose what you like the look of the most.  If protective value is more important than anything else, consider mittens and learn to love the way they look ;)  There are also bifurcated gauntlets, where the two outer and two inner fingers are fused but each pair can move independently, and if you're feeling really daring there are gothic gauntlets with mailed fingers only.

A lot of modern craftsmen do not make scales like historical scales though.  They should be very closely overlapped, and they often use compound curvature (they curve not only across the finger but down the length of the finger as well).  Real ones are also pretty thick in the center.  Real individual finger plates are also pretty thick in the center and drawn out thin by the edges.  This is a function of the way they were made and the nature of the starting material.  Modern armorers use uniformly thick starting material so it's a little more difficult to achieve the dramatic differentials in thickness that historical armor plates demonstrate.

That was a really long way for me to say "I don't know which is more protective but they're both nice!"  :)

Just a note, the second picture you show also looks like a modern reproduction, albeit a much nicer pair, but modern nonetheless.
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