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Title: 14th cen armor question- Tabbards/Surcoats/et al.
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2017-04-18, 16:23:04
Were surcoats, tabbards, & whatnot a going thing in the 14th cen? Specifically around near modern Italy & Germany? When & where did waffenrocks come in?
Title: Re: 14th cen armor question- Tabbards/Surcoats/et al.
Post by: Jon Blair on 2017-04-18, 20:18:43
When in the 14th C? Over the 100 year period, fashions changed considerably. From what I've read, the surcoat (or surcotte) was going out of fashion in the earlier part of the century, changing to the cyclas, a close fitted garment that had a short front hem with knee length side and back hems. By the beginning of the third quarter of the century, jupons were all the rage for the well-dressed man-at-arms. At the close of the century, cloth covering for armor was almost completely abandoned.
Waffenrock (from w‚fenroc or w‚penroc "weapon tunic") seems to be just the German name for the surcoat, although it was later used to refer to various German military uniforms until 1945.
Title: Re: 14th cen armor question- Tabbards/Surcoats/et al.
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2017-04-20, 19:31:04
This was posted as a reply over on the Armor Archive just now.

http://www.larsdatter.com/mens-surcoats.htm
Title: Re: 14th cen armor question- Tabbards/Surcoats/et al.
Post by: Ian on 2017-04-20, 23:17:32
Region specific to England and France, but a good primer (but note that when it comes to martial fashion, a lot of it is very region specific, the cyclas for example is mostly peculiar to England):

http://cottesimple.com/articles/martial-surcottes/
Title: Re: 14th cen armor question- Tabbards/Surcoats/et al.
Post by: Sir Rodney on 2017-04-21, 02:18:38
Great resources!  Thank you.   :)