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Miscellaneous => The Market Square => Topic started by: Sir Rodney on 2014-04-22, 03:17:05

Title: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Sir Rodney on 2014-04-22, 03:17:05
After having my butted mail shredded last weekend (once again), Iím seriously considering a riveted mail aventail.

My goal is twofold.  Iíd like to have a more historically accurate aventail, and Iíd like to stop replacing rings after every weekend of fighting.

Iím eyeing up the aventail from All Best Stuff and would appreciate the opinions of the Brethren of Modern Chivalry.  I know itís not the most historically accurate at 9mm, but itís a far cry from butted.  Have there been any bad reviews off All Best Stuff here or elsewhere?  If so, I canít seem to find them.

It seems that they donít carry spare 9mm rings or a tool.  Would Icefalconís rings and tool be compatible?

Large Chainmail Camail Flat Riveted Solid Ring Chain Mail Aventail (http://allbeststuff.com/c-medieval-chainmail-armor/c-Chain-Mail-Camail/Large-Flat-Riveted-Solid-Ring-Camail)
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Aiden of Oreland on 2014-04-22, 03:26:56
To answer your question about All Best Stuff, it has had some hi regards from members of this forum. My brother is awaiting his hauberk from All Best Stuff and I plan to order my own because of the good reviews. Plus it's a great price for what you pay for. But with everything there is another side of the coin. Shipping is very expensive. So in the end you save about $20 dollars on a similar product from another seller. It is also Indian, but again from what people on this forum have said it is of good quality.

I think all mail can be compatible as long as its the right size and gauge, and style of coarse. But I have no experience with ice falcon mail. Tools shouldn't be a problem. The truest of answer will only come when you actually get the product, that is of coarse if someone has experience with the two.
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Sir Edward on 2014-04-22, 13:36:53
I've had no experience with All Best Stuff, so I can't really say.

I've ordered several things from Icefalcon, and have been happy with them. The Icefalcon tool and rivets work great for doing work on the GDFB mail, I've found. As long as the ring size is pretty close, then Icefalcon's rings will work great.

The riveting tool needs to match the size/type of rivets used, for the most part. The tools I have from both Icefalcon and GDFB seem almost interchangeable though.

And of course the rings from Icefalcon should come with the rivets. So again, the only question is if the ring-size is similar to that of the mail from All Best Stuff. At 9mm, I think it is.

Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Sir James A on 2014-04-22, 15:30:13
As Sir Edward said, IceFalcon or GFDB should be mostly interchangeable with AllBestStuff. The 9mm denotes inside dimension, and it's likely to all be similar. Pass muster under a microscope? Probably not. From a foot away? Almost definitely.

I've mix-n-matched Ice and GDFB rings. Shhhhhhhhh ;)
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Ian on 2014-04-22, 19:15:40
Here's the thing.  There's nothing better than Indian flat ring riveted maille on the market, so it's the only option for even strict living history groups short of having custom maille made for you.  So you should be fine.  I have an icefalcon wedge riveted aventail on my helm, and love it.  I have a flat ring wedge riveted haubergeon on order from Custom Chainmail (they tailor their stuff to you), and will let you know how that turns out as well.

But when it comes down to it, allbeststuff, gdfb, icefalcon etc... it's really virtually all the same stuff.  I decided to go with Custom Chainmail only to save myself the hassle of in depth tailoring.  For an aventail though, the tailoring is not quite as severe, so you'd be safe to go with any of your favorite Indian Maille re-sellers :)
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Naythan on 2014-04-23, 20:02:34
Im getting the full round riveted,domed, Mail hauberk from allbeststuff.
I know it is uncommon for my era(although I did find proof of it existing in archaeological finds)
but I like it more.
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Aiden of Oreland on 2014-04-24, 01:14:36
Here's the thing.  There's nothing better than Indian flat ring riveted maille on the market, so it's the only option for even strict living history groups short of having custom maille made for you.  So you should be fine.  I have an icefalcon wedge riveted aventail on my helm, and love it.  I have a flat ring wedge riveted haubergeon on order from Custom Chainmail (they tailor their stuff to you), and will let you know how that turns out as well.


I think Rosie the Riveter would approve.
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Naythan on 2014-04-24, 18:49:24
Here's the thing.  There's nothing better than Indian flat ring riveted maille on the market, so it's the only option for even strict living history groups short of having custom maille made for you.  So you should be fine.  I have an icefalcon wedge riveted aventail on my helm, and love it.  I have a flat ring wedge riveted haubergeon on order from Custom Chainmail (they tailor their stuff to you), and will let you know how that turns out as well.


I think Rosie the Riveter would approve.

Who is "Rosie the Riveter"?
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Sir Edward on 2014-04-25, 12:48:38
I think Rosie the Riveter would approve.

Who is "Rosie the Riveter"?

WWII cultural icon:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_the_Riveter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_the_Riveter)
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2014-04-25, 17:13:45
uh. i think i died a lil inside
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Ian on 2014-04-25, 18:09:23
uh. i think i died a lil inside

lol
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Sir Douglas on 2014-04-25, 19:09:01
Ye gads! What are they teaching kids in schools these days! ;)
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Aiden of Oreland on 2014-04-25, 20:58:02
Ye gads! What are they teaching kids in schools these days! ;)

He hasn't gotten to that unit yet, not until this time next year. But I knew about her way before.
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Naythan on 2014-04-28, 02:42:39
Ye gads! What are they teaching kids in schools these days! ;)

He hasn't gotten to that unit yet, not until this time next year. But I knew about her way before.

Although I may already have a deepened pre-knowledge of medieval history(cutos to you Gentleman)
I keep a spread of knowing all things in history but Modern wars are not my strongest side.
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Lord Dane on 2014-04-29, 13:56:24
Ye gads! What are they teaching kids in schools these days! ;)

What are they NOT teaching them more appropriately.
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Naythan on 2014-04-29, 22:35:40
Im glad I self edaucated myself. Otherwise I would not be here.
But learning about ww2 in deep depth is not till next year. And it is not a major area of mine, Although I have began to try and hear veterans story's from that time.
I met one that met two of the band of brothers, Was in Omaha beach in normandy, Found a concentration camp, and also was at the battle of the bulge.
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Naythan on 2014-04-29, 22:50:20
And I spelled Educated wrong. 
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Sir Brian on 2014-04-30, 10:48:39
Im glad I self edaucated myself.
And I spelled Educated wrong.

Oh the irony! ;)


Oh btw Mary Ann Jung supposedly does a great Rosie the Riveter. :)

http://www.historyaliveshows.com/rosieriveter.htm (http://www.historyaliveshows.com/rosieriveter.htm)
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Naythan on 2014-04-30, 15:47:42
Oh thats rosie the riveter!
New the poster not that name.
Also who is this so called uncle sam? :D
Well now I know.
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Lord Dane on 2014-05-03, 15:33:51
Oh thats rosie the riveter!
New the poster not that name.
Also who is this so called uncle sam? :D
Well now I know.

He's the one who is gona shove his red-white-blue foot up your ars for not paying attention in American history.
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Naythan on 2014-05-04, 14:46:24
Oh thats rosie the riveter!
New the poster not that name.
Also who is this so called uncle sam? :D
Well now I know.

He's the one who is gona shove his red-white-blue foot up your ars for not paying attention in American history.

"Dear Nate, Watch your back

-Uncle sam"
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Sir Martyn on 2014-05-29, 13:01:02
And while we're laying on educationally, it's "kudos" ;)
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Cedric of Havenhall on 2015-09-03, 02:12:34
To get back to the subject of this thread.... Sir Rodney, did you get some mail from this company?
Title: Re: All Best Stuff - Riveted Aventail Question
Post by: Sir Rodney on 2015-09-04, 01:55:13
To get back to the subject of this thread.... Sir Rodney, did you get some mail from this company?

No.  I eventually picked up a riveted mail aventail from Custom Chainmail (http://www.customchainmail.com/).