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Main => The Courtyard => Topic started by: Sir Edward on 2011-02-07, 20:09:32
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The HEMA Alliance has a map using google's system to show locations of various groups. It's not complete, but there's more around than I realized. Awesome.
http://hemaalliance.com/?page_id=686 (http://hemaalliance.com/?page_id=686)
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That's excellent...I too had no idea there were so many of them.
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thats a lot of blue!
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I didn't know Arma had a NoVA branch.
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I didn't know Arma had a NoVA branch.
I was surprised by that as well.
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Guess they don't advertise?
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ARMA NoVa meets in Winchester on Sundays. I almost joined up, but the class I went to with them was too "closed doors", and I wasn't able to participate in the second half of the class since I wasn't a member. I applied online to become a member but never heard back from them ... I'm guessing because I mentioned that I had been in the SCA before ... but Audra Grapes was one of the coordinators for it.
It's a shame they don't seem willing to share info with the "other" groups, since Winchester isn't too far from me - about 1/3 the distance to VAF. :( On the bright side, Das Bill was way cooler than the ARMA members I met in the class. :D
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Truly I think you are better off without them. I really cannot understand that whole elitist mentality some folks have to project. I see studying WMA as an opportunity and an honor really to be but a small participant in the resurrection of a wonderful yet still deadly art form of warfare. :-\
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For a group that has such little interest in combining their studies with other historical aspects, they're surprisingly medieval in their mindset. Back in the day, knowledge was carefully guarded. Today that attitude does nothing but hamper the efforts to revive the art and garner interest in it. As modern practitioners, we need to be open and collaborative.
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I'm a member of an elite group of knights...is that so bad? We are of the Order of the Marshal, anyone on the outside looking in is going to feel the same. I'll do nothing to dispel the myth. lol
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Good to see that the local HEMA group is on there, even though it is fairly small.
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Hmm there are 3 groups in my area. I wonder which one I should do though. Would prefer one where I fight with sword and shield.
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@Sir Ulrich: Where is your area?
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Hmm there are 3 groups in my area. I wonder which one I should do though. Would prefer one where I fight with sword and shield.
There's always the SCA, where "sword and board" is popular. Most of the HEMA programs don't do a lot of shield work since there's not a lot of surviving manuscript on it. However at Longpoint they had a sword and rotella class (rotella is a round metal shield) that was quite good. Personally, from a martial standpoint, I like the buckler more just because it's more mobile and doesn't get in your own way. And there is a lot of surviving material on its use. Then again, I haven't done a lot of shield work, and usually I like things more after working with them a while. :)
I'd ask around. If there is more than one HEMA group in your area, you can always email them and ask what weapon combinations they specialize in.
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I would attend all 3 of them at least twice, and then decide based on the experiences.
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Hmm there are 3 groups in my area. I wonder which one I should do though. Would prefer one where I fight with sword and shield.
Yep, ARMA groups in Northern and Southern NJ. And an Schola Saint George Study Group in Hamilton. Personally, I would invest my time and money in the SSG Group rather than in ARMA given from the information from our Sir James.
There's always the SCA, where "sword and board" is popular. Most of the HEMA programs don't do a lot of shield work since there's not a lot of surviving manuscript on it. However at Longpoint they had a sword and rotella class (rotella is a round metal shield) that was quite good. Personally, from a martial standpoint, I like the buckler more just because it's more mobile and doesn't get in your own way. And there is a lot of surviving material on its use. Then again, I haven't done a lot of shield work, and usually I like things more after working with them a while. Smiley
I'd ask around. If there is more than one HEMA group in your area, you can always email them and ask what weapon combinations they specialize in.
My thoughts exact Sir Edward! My only hypothesis is that since the Buckler was your "shield", I often wondered could the techniques for sword and buckler could be applied to sword and heater shield? My stance is that it could be a possibility, but we don't know.
I would attend all 3 of them at least twice, and then decide based on the experiences.
That is the way to go, thanks Sir James!
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My thoughts exact Sir Edward! My only hypothesis is that since the Buckler was your "shield", I often wondered could the techniques for sword and buckler could be applied to sword and heater shield? My stance is that it could be a possibility, but we don't know.
I don’t think that supposition is applicable. Even though I’ve had only a single formal two hour session with the sword and buckler along with some sporadic practice times the one primary principle that has been successfully instilled into my mind is that the buckler doesn’t do the blocking. It’s there to protect your sword hand whereas I suppose a shield is utilized with a more dynamic defense strategy.
On another note: After our practice at MASHS last night we were discussing the feasibility of encouraging members of other groups to join us on our free-play Sundays and/or of going to some of their free-play sessions to facilitate a collaborative exchange of techniques and styles. Or to put it as Matt Walsh put it: “Stop some of the inbreeding of technique”, which really is an excellent point insofar as when you have a limited pool of opponents within your group then that group can become stagnant with their technique and tactics.
So putting theory to practice, I cordially invite everyone who reads this post to join us at MASHS on our free-play Sundays which is typically the fourth Sunday of every month at the Annapolis Maryland venue from 2:30 until 4:30 and the floor fee is $10.00 also please bring the appropriate protective equipment. :)
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I view the buckler as more of an offensive weapon as well, Sir Brian. Sure, it could be used to block but it is much more effective when driven into the face of an opponent, rather than waiting for an opponent's weapon to make contact with it.
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Yeah, I really need to make it back over for some more of the free-play sundays. That was a lot of fun, and you're right, the "inbreeding" can be a real issue. I really enjoyed coming over and being the "wild card" that day that I joined you guys.
The buckler really does work better when used with the correct techniques. It threw me off at first, getting the thought out of my head that it was just for parries. Realizing that the sword is much better at that, and the buckler serves better to protect your hands was a real eye-opener.
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I view the buckler as more of an offensive weapon as well, Sir Brian. Sure, it could be used to block but it is much more effective when driven into the face of an opponent, rather than waiting for an opponent's weapon to make contact with it.
You bring up an intriguing notion Sir William, i.e. would that action be the only recourse for an I:33 defender if a Longsword attacker moved in to grapple since the I:33 defender has no free hands to grapple with? ???
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But of course- as they say, there's more than one way to skin a cat. One of the good things about a buckler is its handiness- even when you're wielding one, if a grapple were to occur you could easily transition to meet the challenge. Or, put forth one of your own in the form of a stiff-armed thrust to the general area of the face. You see, it takes years of training and practice to react or anticipate a move like that and not flinch.
Generally, a person who sees something hard and shiny moving quickly towards one's face can shake up even the best laid strategies in a duel. And because it is so lightweight, multiple jabs to the face in tandem with swordplay makes you more dangerous than the longsword man. In my humble opinion.
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Well in time as I become more proficient with the S&B I will have to try some of those tactics during a free play session. :)
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Actually, there's a lot of grappling in sword and buckler. And truthfully, people overstate the amount of grappling that happens with the longsword anyway.
If you do sword and buckler in the Liechtenauer tradition (which is what we do at VAF), the techniques are pretty much the same as they are with the longsword and single hand sword, just with a few variations due to buckler.
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I really need to sign up for a class with you guys, Bill. It is near the top of my to-do list.