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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Wolf on 2011-01-02, 04:20:52
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http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=127927&highlight=
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Cool. I like how the shoulder/armpit looks in the photos, as it doesn't have the standard t-shirt sort of cut. It looks more like a real gambeson. I commented in the thread about the sleeve lengths. Apparently people have complained they're too long. Clearly they've never tried putting armor over it.
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ya.they really look like a good buy. i am very tempted... but i GOT to finish these other kits first before i really get into the 14thc swing of things
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That doesn't look too shabby, but something looks off about the shoulders. They don't look like they're cut right, making the taper towards the neck a bit weird. I suspect on some people it will fit fine, but on others it will fit funny.
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I don’t know that design suspiciously looks a lot like the one from revival clothing which offers great padding but it is HOT as it does not breathe well and as Das Bill advised some time ago it is restrictive in the arms and shoulders. :-\
Well I'm adding this new gambeson in a kelly green.
http://revival.us/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=83 (http://revival.us/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=83)
Sir Brian,
Have you already purchased this yet, or are you still just thinking about it? If you haven't purchased it, I'm going to advise against it. It has a very weird cut to it, where only certain body shapes seem to fit it right. The sloping from the neck to the shoulders is weird, and the area around the armpits is very poorly shaped. For many people its restricting.
Further, they claim its a grand assiette design, but it isn't really a very good one. A proper one will allow you to lift your arms straight up without having the rest of the garment lift, which is very important under armour. This one doesn't quite allow it perfectly, though it isn't terrible in that respect, either.
I bought one last year, and hated it. I let a couple of other people try it on, who also did not like it, so I sent it back. In my opinion, unless if you're one of the lucky few whom this fits perfectly, I don't feel that this is worth the asking price.
On the other hand, I've seen a few people post on forums who've said that they happen to fit the gambeson well enough, so if you've already purchased it, then I hope you're one of those lucky few.
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that inward cut is based off of the 14th century design. its supposed to let you move your arms without the waist going upwards. i forget the whole who made what on the AA forum but the design is legit to them and not copy of another merchants.
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That's not what I mean. The cut isn't the same as a 14th c. design. I think Sir Brian is right about how it looks like a copy (though I think he means Revival Martial Arts, not Revival Clothing, as the former has the bad design and the latter has an excellent design). The way the shoulders are sloped it means that for some builds (such as my own) you'll have a gap above the shoulders, making it bunch up when you lift your arms even though the waist doesn't lift.
Unfortunately, the grand assiette sleeves are tricky, and that's why the good ones are so expensive, and the cheaper ones fit in a funny way.
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That's not what I mean. The cut isn't the same as a 14th c. design. I think Sir Brian is right about how it looks like a copy (though I think he means Revival Martial Arts, not Revival Clothing, as the former has the bad design and the latter has an excellent design). The way the shoulders are sloped it means that for some builds (such as my own) you'll have a gap above the shoulders, making it bunch up when you lift your arms even though the waist doesn't lift.
Unfortunately, the grand assiette sleeves are tricky, and that's why the good ones are so expensive, and the cheaper ones fit in a funny way.
you are prob right about the fit. still the price isn't bad though.
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I think he means Revival Martial Arts, not Revival Clothing, as the former has the bad design and the latter has an excellent design
Probably so. I certainly have nothing but praise for my Revival Clothing gambeson. It breathes pretty well and moves very well. Combined with armor it would probably get a little warm, but as a fencing gambeson it rocks.
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I think he means Revival Martial Arts, not Revival Clothing, as the former has the bad design and the latter has an excellent design
Probably so. I certainly have nothing but praise for my Revival Clothing gambeson. It breathes pretty well and moves very well. Combined with armor it would probably get a little warm, but as a fencing gambeson it rocks.
Oh I had a thought. Sir Brian, were you referring to the Revival Clothing wrestling jacket? It's true, that won't breathe well under armor at all.
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Nope Bill has the right of it! I get those two places mixed up all the time! :D
I consider the revival clothing's gambeson to be the pinnacle of how gambeson's should be. Their wrestling jacket is fine for use as an extremely light weight gambeson under armor when heat exhaustion is the primary concern but I wouldn't recommend it when expecting a lot more protection. :-\
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They have a wrestling jacket? I have never heard of such.
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Yes it's nearly canvas grade material but completely unpadded. It would look and do well as WMA for light bouts or as an outer cover for your more robust padding. It is from revival clothing so it moves well although it has this bizarre tendency to become stiffer when saturated with sweat. ???
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The wrestling jackets are relatively new to the WMA/HEMA community. The idea is that for the unarmored combat techniques, you need a durable jacket that you can grab and throw people around with, and have it be durable enough to take it. So they're designed with that goal in mind, rather than padding for weapon techniques.
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The wrestling jackets are relatively new to the WMA/HEMA community. The idea is that for the unarmored combat techniques, you need a durable jacket that you can grab and throw people around with, and have it be durable enough to take it. So they're designed with that goal in mind, rather than padding for weapon techniques.
Having never laid my hands on one, I'm not certain, but I think they're based off the same material as judo uniforms are. They look similar to my untrained eye.
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Yes that is a very accurate comparison! :)
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Having never laid my hands on one, I'm not certain, but I think they're based off the same material as judo uniforms are. They look similar to my untrained eye.
The Revival Clothing ones are not. They're a single layer heavy cotton canvas or cotton duck.
Unless if you're thinking of the Jess Finley ones, which are made of monk's cloth, and that is very similar to a Judo gi (though a little lighter): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qRB6r8CpVY
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Wow they must have really changed the way they make a gi from when I took karate as a youth, mine felt as thick and uncomfortable as a canvas tent! :D
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Wow they must have really changed the way they make a gi from when I took karate as a youth, mine felt as thick and uncomfortable as a canvas tent! :D
thats cause you had to practice judo and still worry about dinosaur attacks on your way home ;) hehehe oooooooooooooooooo jkjk
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ROFLMAO! ;D
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Dino attacks...lol
I'm just waiting for one of my kids to come with that one for me.
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Wow they must have really changed the way they make a gi from when I took karate as a youth, mine felt as thick and uncomfortable as a canvas tent! :D
A karate gi and judo gi have very different weaves. In judo, the gi is grasped and pulled much more regularly, so it is made with a denser weave, making it thicker and heavier. A typical karate gi is a little more like canvas.