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Title: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2010-10-28, 13:35:18
looking over the brassies graves and statues how do you think they were made?

to me it seems like a sleeveless surcoat that has some lacing up the sides from the waist line to the arm hole opening. the front of the surcoat is drastically shorter than the back. the back has no split.

is this just me? or do you think their artists just pulled up the fronts to show off the mail and coat of plates underneath it? do you think there is a straight line difference from teh fron to the back or do you think there is a slopping line that directs the angle from front to back?
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir Brian on 2010-10-28, 13:44:54
My previous research on surcoats revealed that they had undergone just as many changes as the armor did during the transitional period. Short fronts with longer (tails almost) in the back, a precursor to the traditional tuxedo perhaps!  :D

Some had wide flowing sleeves while some were short sleeved or the typical no sleeves. I think going for something with a wide flowing sleeve would be cool…only because you don’t get to see that too often, much like the mail chausses.  ;)
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2010-10-28, 13:58:33
My previous research on surcoats revealed that they had undergone just as many changes as the armor did during the transitional period. Short fronts with longer (tails almost) in the back, a precursor to the traditional tuxedo perhaps!  :D

Some had wide flowing sleeves while some were short sleeved or the typical no sleeves. I think going for something with a wide flowing sleeve would be cool…only because you don’t get to see that too often, much like the mail chausses.  ;)

http://stores.renstore.com/-strse-292/Medieval-Military-Garment-Patterns/Detail.bok
(http://stores.renstore.com/catalog/COSPP102.JPG)

like IV ? angelwing version?
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir Patrick on 2010-10-28, 14:47:48
I never did get the whole angel wing thing.  It looks cool, but did they actually FIGHT in them?
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir William on 2010-10-28, 14:50:06
LOL @ angelwing version - thought only monks wore their robes like that.

My jupon for next year is much in the style of figure II...sleeveless, instead of dagged, mine's castle/crenellation type of design.  But it is shorter in the front than the back, no split in the back but the sides of the garment are fully split to the shoulder and has ties to 'size' so to speak.  A jupon, not a CoP which I now realize is what I'm looking at in figure II.
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir Brian on 2010-10-28, 19:54:07

like IV ? angelwing version?

Sure why not? You could always make the sleeves laced on so you can easily remove them.  ;)
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2010-10-29, 01:14:00
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Leonthas/pw36_0582.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Leonthas/pw-35-_295_.jpg)

there u go Sir Brian
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir William on 2010-10-29, 13:16:31
Wow, that's elaborate.  Where were these pics taken?
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir Brian on 2010-10-30, 12:42:27
Great find! See they look great!


* Starting to chant: *
do it do it do it
  ;D
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2010-10-30, 20:12:28
Great find! See they look great!


* Starting to chant: *
do it do it do it
  ;D

here you go Sir Brian http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_7&products_id=340
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir William on 2010-11-02, 19:45:32
Ha, I just found that site on my own a couple months back...or did one of you point me there?
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir Brian on 2010-11-03, 13:49:30
Great find! See they look great!


* Starting to chant: *
do it do it do it
  ;D

here you go Sir Brian http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_7&products_id=340

Sweet! They look like a viable alternative to the more expensive versions out there!
Thank you Sir Wolf!  :)
Title: Re: the early-mid 14thc surcoat
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2010-11-04, 03:29:03
your welcome