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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir James A on 2014-09-24, 19:47:29
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Did a custom order from Nitin at All Best Stuff. Similar to what they have in stock, but I wanted slightly longer sleeves and a slightly longer hem (darn you, Oreos!). They did the sleeve taper for me too. He set it up as a custom item, and I paid for it. Cool, great communication so far. It's a couple weeks until Days of Knights, and I just paid for this, so chances are I won't get it in time. It was a last ditch effort to have a set of 6mm mail (fauld and voiders) in time for Days of Knights.
I ordered sleeves from IceFalcon back in Feb/Mar that still haven't arrived and are now scheduled for October (although he was told August and it kept getting pushed back). No complaints, he had a discount on in-stock items and I ordered loose rings/rivets, sleeves, a standard, and a fauld. He shipped the rings/rivets, standard and fauld right away. I knew the sleeves weren't in stock, but he still gave me the discount on them anyway, and only charged half down. He's fantastic at customer service, and the delay on the sleeves is in no way his fault at all, it's his supplier.
Now, Nitin sent an email today at 10:30 that said the package has been sent (I assume from India) and with a tracking number. It's 3:30 pm, and I just got time to check my email. I thought, well, it probably won't be in the tracking system yet, but let me check and see if it maybe has an estimated delivery date so I can arrange to be home when it arrives, or at least make sure somebody gets it for me if it's going to come when I'm at DoK.
Status: Delivered (today)
What?? ??? Lo and behold, a box with that familiar smell of new mail. :o
No joke. I think they have some sort of teleportation wizards working there or something. I ordered it on September 17th and they built it and I have it in my hands one week later. I'm not going to be a tease and post a picture of the unopened box...
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You are a very naughty Knight indeed, Sir James. Show us a picture of the unopened box at least…
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I'm afraid to ask, what are their shipping rates?
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I'm afraid to ask, what are their shipping rates?
It was $85. It's high, but not bad overall, considering the lower price of the item.
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I'm afraid to ask, what are their shipping rates?
It was $85. It's high, but not bad overall, considering the lower price of the item.
My Hauberk was 90. So I guess weight isn't the issue when shipping.
My hauberk took 3 weeks for them to make, but the shipping took about 3 days, if my memory serves me correctly.
you saw my hauberk at fairy festival, but how do you feel about the quality of your Mail?
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If one of you guys who owns some of this could post a full critical review that would be great. Plus some pics of the whole item and a couple close up shots of the rings would too. That would help people decide if this is the right stuff for them when shopping cause that's what we always want to know.
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I've handled and worn this maille before. I tried Elliot's hauberk on and it's heavier than the stuff I got, he has the round riveted with alternating flat punched rings. All of the punched rings face the same way and it looks to be higher quality than the wedge riveted. Honestly I would trust the maille to stop a sharpened weapon, unlike the icefalcon or GDFB stuff which seems a bit too flattened. I had a sample of it but I seem to of lost it...
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A review would be great, I just noticed the blackened ABS Round riveted w flat punched myself and it's actually on an affordable budget. Of course I'm imagining shipping to Sweden to be insane, but it will still be cheaper than any riveted mail I can get in Sweden.
Now, I currently have a blackened, flattened and riveted aventail on my helmet. Would people suggest I get a blackened hauberk to go with it or should I get a non-blackened hauberk and replace the aventail to match?
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One of my people, Kyle Timms by name, ordered custom-made hauberk with attached coif and ventail, as well as mailled chausses with feet. He specifically requested certain measurements (even going so far as to give the measurements in both Standard and Metric). There were some delays, but the maille arrived last week (in plenty of time for DoK). Now, for the bad news:
- The ventail is of the 11th century style (attached the the chest and tied like a bib. It is too long and insufficiently wide enough to cover the face.
- With the ventail tied up, it is impossible for Kyle to turn his head from left to right, or to raise his head.
- The sleeves are way too long---he can't put his hands into the mittens without help.
- The chausses were a long, straight tube (rather than tapering), making them too baggy
Kyle has since had his chausses tailored to fit correctly by Ryan Andrew McDaniles of "The Saxons' Pocket". Once Kyle returns from DoK, he'll have the hauberk adjusted by Ryan as well. This is not a negative review of Nitin of All Best Stuff or his quality---just a heads-up regarding what issue may arise from ordering maille long-distance.
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A review would be great, I just noticed the blackened ABS Round riveted w flat punched myself and it's actually on an affordable budget. Of course I'm imagining shipping to Sweden to be insane, but it will still be cheaper than any riveted mail I can get in Sweden.
Now, I currently have a blackened, flattened and riveted aventail on my helmet. Would people suggest I get a blackened hauberk to go with it or should I get a non-blackened hauberk and replace the aventail to match?
Blackened maille is historical. It was done by baking the iron with linseed oil or some such thing to inhibit (but not prevent) rust. But after a lot of wear, the black mostly comes off leaving it a nice gunmetal grey color.
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no pictures? thats it, you get your pee pee smacked with a boken.
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Here Is the review I did of my hauberk from all best stuff. I will definitely post pictures of the rings later.
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,3200.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,3200.0.html)
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Whatsort of rings is your Hauberk constructed from Sir Naythan?
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We need pics, Sir James, of you in it! I got mine a couple of months ago only to find that I was bigger than when I took the measurements initially. In short, I don't know what it'll look like on me til I lose the required weight.
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Whatsort of rings is your Hauberk constructed from Sir Naythan?
Mild Steel. 9mm(Though it seems more like 8mm) Round ring, domed riveted. 16g.
Sadly I will have to postpone pics.
(Tech trouble)
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we got to see it, we got to see it.
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Well, less than a full season worth on this, and I have *lots* of rivets blown out. Only spotted one or two missing rings from a quick once-over, but wow, the missing rivets. Easily 50, maybe more.
Now, this was not just wearing it to faire, but fighting in it a few times too. Yesterday I got tossed like a wet monkey while wearing it too, so I certainly have not been gentle with it. It does seem to lose many more rivets than my 9mm did, but the 9mm is a different maker, so it's apples and oranges. I don't know if the difference in it is due to ring size or build quality between different makers... but be prepared for some maintenance with this.
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Any noticeable difference in the way the rivets are set in your current maille compared to your 9 mil stuff? Are these pin rivets? I forget.
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Well, less than a full season worth on this, and I have *lots* of rivets blown out. Only spotted one or two missing rings from a quick once-over, but wow, the missing rivets. Easily 50, maybe more.
Now, this was not just wearing it to faire, but fighting in it a few times too. Yesterday I got tossed like a wet monkey while wearing it too, so I certainly have not been gentle with it. It does seem to lose many more rivets than my 9mm did, but the 9mm is a different maker, so it's apples and oranges. I don't know if the difference in it is due to ring size or build quality between different makers... but be prepared for some maintenance with this.
Wow! :o
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Oh good thing I went with wedge then. I've had a lot of issues with IceFalcon's dome riveted, I wouldnt recommend that stuff if you want to keep your gambesons. Unless you use a leather buff coat or a canvas gambeson it will wear linen ones out in no time. The ring popping thing is because the rivet holes are punched and not peened to the point of becoming solid with the ring. MOST wedge riveted maille is peened to the point of being solid with the ring. Thus I can only really count like 5 rings on my wedge hauberk that are not peened properly. Thats part of the reason I went for wedge though I cant really speak for the dome riveted round ring with alternating flat punched ring allbeststuff maille but it could be different.
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Well, less than a full season worth on this, and I have *lots* of rivets blown out. Only spotted one or two missing rings from a quick once-over, but wow, the missing rivets. Easily 50, maybe more.
Now, this was not just wearing it to faire, but fighting in it a few times too. Yesterday I got tossed like a wet monkey while wearing it too, so I certainly have not been gentle with it. It does seem to lose many more rivets than my 9mm did, but the 9mm is a different maker, so it's apples and oranges. I don't know if the difference in it is due to ring size or build quality between different makers... but be prepared for some maintenance with this.
Strange, none are missing from my hauberk.
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Any noticeable difference in the way the rivets are set in your current maille compared to your 9 mil stuff? Are these pin rivets? I forget.
Comparing pin to pin, they seem very similar; a swelled shaft opposite of the head, not domed. I couldn't get any decent cell phone pictures to show a side-by-side of it. The only difference I can see so far is that the 6mm ones are, of course, smaller; I'd say 1/3 to 1/2 smaller sized dome rivets.
I think they anticipate losing some rings or rivets, and they sent a small baggy with what looks like 50 or so loose rings and rivets. It's not enough to tailor, and they did the basic tailoring before selling it, so I'm sure it's meant for maintenance.
Oh good thing I went with wedge then. I've had a lot of issues with IceFalcon's dome riveted, I wouldnt recommend that stuff if you want to keep your gambesons. Unless you use a leather buff coat or a canvas gambeson it will wear linen ones out in no time. The ring popping thing is because the rivet holes are punched and not peened to the point of becoming solid with the ring. MOST wedge riveted maille is peened to the point of being solid with the ring. Thus I can only really count like 5 rings on my wedge hauberk that are not peened properly. Thats part of the reason I went for wedge though I cant really speak for the dome riveted round ring with alternating flat punched ring allbeststuff maille but it could be different.
Wedge is great for 9mm. I haven't seen anywhere that offers 6mm wedge riveted. Cap-a-pie (http://www.capapie.co.uk/ (http://www.capapie.co.uk/)) in Europe does offer 7mm wedge, but they don't offer hauberks with it, and they don't have any details on the faulds, not even the ring size. They do have 7mm wedge voiders, and I may get some mail from them in the future.
I've had 9mm round ring riveted from IceFalcon and GDFB, mild and stainless too. IceFalcon and GDFB both have some poorly set rivets here and there, but I'd only lose a ring or two a season. Part of that may be because I didn't wear the haubergeon much due to weight and only wore a fauld. I've lost no rings from the fauld in 3 years (IceFalcon 9mm stainless pin).
My linen Revival arming coat is hanging in there pretty well, it has blown out one seam in the back of the shoulders but that's internal thread failure and 3 seasons worth of faire wear and all of our combat demos too. There are different weights of linen, maybe Revival uses a heavier one? The other thing that can tear with pin rivets is that mail is counter-intuitive. Wear the nice dome head side *inside* and the peened ones *outside*. This leaves the smooth heads facing inwards and reduces snagging; it may not eliminate it, but it'll at least reduce it.
I think I've worn the 6mm haubergeon more this year alone than the 9mm over a few years, because the 6mm sleeves flow and move MUCH better under later period plate than the 9mm do. Overall usage might be part of it. The other part, I think might be due to the tapered / tailored sleeves; it's right on the cusp of being too small. I need to get the elbow "baggie" tailored in at some point, since it pulls when I flex inward fully, but the haubergeon was meant to be a stop-gap until my voiders that I ordered 9 months ago arrive. The 9mm that I tailored, I cheated by chopping a triangle out of the upper arm, and using lacing to bring it in tight after it's on, since the spaulders / pauldrons would cover it anyway.
Well, less than a full season worth on this, and I have *lots* of rivets blown out. Only spotted one or two missing rings from a quick once-over, but wow, the missing rivets. Easily 50, maybe more.
Now, this was not just wearing it to faire, but fighting in it a few times too. Yesterday I got tossed like a wet monkey while wearing it too, so I certainly have not been gentle with it. It does seem to lose many more rivets than my 9mm did, but the 9mm is a different maker, so it's apples and oranges. I don't know if the difference in it is due to ring size or build quality between different makers... but be prepared for some maintenance with this.
Strange, none are missing from my hauberk.
Naythan, I believe yours is 9mm, right? It is probably the combat that tends to cause ring failure unless they are set poorly. I did a couple days of combat with steels last week and I think that definitely helped break a few rings when the idea of armored combat is thrusting at the mail. :)
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Yes 9mm.
Plus I Have done no combat with the hauberk.
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I should get around to putting something in the review section, but I own a bunch of cap-a-pie mail and it's definitely good stuff. With all due respect to Icefalcon, it's hands down superior to Icefalcon mail. Plus I've had a lot of dealings with Mark Hale the owner of cap-a-pie and he is a decent man to deal with.