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Title: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Mike W. on 2014-03-12, 23:13:55
I've always found these forensic reconstructions to be both amazing, and yet slightly creepy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279306/Face-mystery-medieval-knight-finally-revealed-modern-day-CSI-skills.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279306/Face-mystery-medieval-knight-finally-revealed-modern-day-CSI-skills.html)
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Ian on 2014-03-13, 00:12:48
You should check out the book Blood Red Roses (http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Red-Roses-Archaeology-Battle/dp/1842172891/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394669498&sr=8-1&keywords=blood+red+roses).  It's got more of that in it, all based on the grave finds from the Battle of Towton.
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Sir Rodney on 2014-03-13, 02:26:22
I love this kind of discovery and research, thanks for posting it!

This line did raise my blood pressure a bit (emphasis mine).
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'He was a very strong and fit nobleman, with the physique of a professional rugby player, who would have been trained since boyhood to handle heavy swords and other weapons and who would have spent a great deal of time on horseback.'

But enough nit-picking, this is really cool.  :)
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Sir Nate on 2014-03-13, 03:04:40
Awesome, amazing what technology can do these days. The future is key to the past.
Makes me think of braveheart. Yet people forget that men like wallace would have been fully armored.
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Sir Edward on 2014-03-13, 13:06:39
This line did raise my blood pressure a bit (emphasis mine).
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'He was a very strong and fit nobleman, with the physique of a professional rugby player, who would have been trained since boyhood to handle heavy swords and other weapons and who would have spent a great deal of time on horseback.'

What? They didn't weigh 20 lbs? :)
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Sir James A on 2014-03-13, 16:55:19
This line did raise my blood pressure a bit (emphasis mine).
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'He was a very strong and fit nobleman, with the physique of a professional rugby player, who would have been trained since boyhood to handle heavy swords and other weapons and who would have spent a great deal of time on horseback.'

What? They didn't weigh 20 lbs? :)


If they weren't heavy enough they could never cut through 12" doors with steel braces, or cut through tanks with them. Something like that.
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Sir William on 2014-03-13, 19:27:49
Almost looks like Sir Ian!  lol

I find 'heavy' to be relative...to a 'daily mail reporter' 4lbs could be considered heavy.  Early 14th C would have seen the bigger war swords on the field, so it wouldn't be off the wall.  Of course, they probably meant 20 lbs...lol
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Sir Douglas on 2014-03-14, 03:07:19
Always love forensic reconstruction of historic individuals. In a way, it's also a little spooky, especially the exceptionally life-like ones.

Also, leave it to us to immediately notice the "heavy sword" faux pas. ;D
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Sir Nate on 2014-03-16, 00:13:36
Almost looks like Sir Ian!  lol

I find 'heavy' to be relative...to a 'daily mail reporter' 4lbs could be considered heavy.  Early 14th C would have seen the bigger war swords on the field, so it wouldn't be off the wall.  Of course, they probably meant 20 lbs...lol

Fact: with the scabbard, the sword that was Excalibur in "Camelot" 1967 weighed in at 22 lbs.
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2014-03-19, 04:28:57
Wasn't this the same Knight who was killed with a Mace and they discovered his Knight status due to his back injury?
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Sir William on 2014-03-19, 16:04:03
Almost looks like Sir Ian!  lol

I find 'heavy' to be relative...to a 'daily mail reporter' 4lbs could be considered heavy.  Early 14th C would have seen the bigger war swords on the field, so it wouldn't be off the wall.  Of course, they probably meant 20 lbs...lol

Fact: with the scabbard, the sword that was Excalibur in "Camelot" 1967 weighed in at 22 lbs.

Could you cite that reference, Nate?  I'm not disbelieving, I'd just like to read it.  It is comical to us who know better but the unwashed masses had to get that idea from somewhere and it wasn't from us.
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Sir Nate on 2014-03-19, 19:35:36
Almost looks like Sir Ian!  lol

I find 'heavy' to be relative...to a 'daily mail reporter' 4lbs could be considered heavy.  Early 14th C would have seen the bigger war swords on the field, so it wouldn't be off the wall.  Of course, they probably meant 20 lbs...lol

Fact: with the scabbard, the sword that was Excalibur in "Camelot" 1967 weighed in at 22 lbs.

Could you cite that reference, Nate?  I'm not disbelieving, I'd just like to read it.  It is comical to us who know better but the unwashed masses had to get that idea from somewhere and it wasn't from us.

On my Camelot dvd the extras says it. I can find Nowhere online stating it.
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Stanislaw on 2014-03-20, 02:19:00
I feel like stuff like this should be done more often. It would be excellent to incorporate the research for facial features in games set in a specific time period, as well as other computer-generated images.
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Mike W. on 2014-03-20, 03:11:50
I found one for Richard III. It was made shortly after they dug him out of the parking lot.
(http://mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_640x430/public/richard_iii_face.jpg)
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Mike W. on 2014-03-20, 03:17:38
Facial reconstructions have a way of making the subjects feel more human and less like a name on a page. It makes it a lot easier to connect with the history.
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Sir Douglas on 2014-03-20, 03:56:54
Facial reconstructions have a way of making the subjects feel more human and less like a name on a page. It makes it a lot easier to connect with the history.

Absolutely this. That's why I say it's also a little spooky.

I mean, take Richard III. That's as close as we'll ever get to seeing him in person. Take everything you've read about him, heard about him, seen about him and suddenly: there he is. He steps out of legend so to speak and becomes a real man, just like you or me (well, if you or I were the King of England, I suppose :P). It's like you're face-to-face with him. It's a surreal feeling. At least for me it is.
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Aiden of Oreland on 2014-03-20, 04:08:19
Facial reconstructions have a way of making the subjects feel more human and less like a name on a page. It makes it a lot easier to connect with the history.

Absolutely this. That's why I say it's also a little spooky.

I mean, take Richard III. That's as close as we'll ever get to seeing him in person. Take everything you've read about him, heard about him, seen about him and suddenly: there he is. He steps out of legend so to speak and becomes a real man, just like you or me (well, if you or I were the King of England, I suppose :P). It's like you're face-to-face with him. It's a surreal feeling. At least for me it is.

Imagine if someday they can figure out what you would have sounded like, now that would be spooky.
Title: Re: Reconstructed Knight's Face
Post by: Sir Humphrey on 2014-03-20, 14:30:48
There is a hour long episode of "History Cold Case" about the this fellow called "Stirling Man."  You can watch in ont Youtube here:  [BBC - HISTORY COLD CASE] Stirling Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHz3TEbRJM#ws)