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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Edward on 2008-01-27, 20:46:18
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Check out the recent progress on my kit....
My new shield blanks arrived:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2070.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2070b.jpg)
The one on the left is an aluminum shield blank intended for SCA combat. The one on the right is a Windlass shield, made of wood and pre-strapped, and canvas-covered.
I also recently worked on my mail chauses:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2057.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2057b.jpg)
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2060.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2060b.jpg)
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I'm not going for complete historical accuracy in my 13th Century kit, but rather I'm doing whatever I can to keep it comfortable, inexpensive, and easy to get in and out of in the renfaire's parking lot without the aid of another person.
To this end, the mail is all aluminum (with some steel reinforcement in key places), and I wear comfortable water-proof boots that look reasonably good to anyone who doesn't know better, but are clearly out of period. I often cheat with a t-shirt under the mail, even though I've been making the surcoats out of linen, and in one case wool. It's all a trade-off based on how visible each component will be, how practical it is, and so on.
Here are some pictures:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2006/a746-me.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2007/faire/a1804.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2007/faire/a1805.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2007/faire/a2004.jpg)
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sexy ;)
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sexy ;)
Gotta agree! :-*
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sexy ;)
Gotta agree! :-*
HAHAAHA
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New regalia items... prick spurs and a white leather belt:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2072.jpg)
The downside of the spurs is that they're small enough that I'll only be able to use them with turnshoes or something similar, since they won't fit over my regular boots. I can bend them out a little, but they'd still have to be re-strapped to work that way. The rowel spurs I already have fit on the boots just fine, but I have a feeling I'll break them quickly if I start using them:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2006/weapons/a1109.jpg)
(heh, this post was #50, so the forum considers me a "knight" now) :)
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Made attachments for the new spaulders, though I still need lower straps to keep them in place:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2086.jpg)
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Wow! They look great! I use the simple leather lace tie down method too!
I like to keep it simple whenever possible. ;)
Have you found the straps and buckles you need yet or
are you still looking?
I have a couple of sites book marked but I haven't bought anything yet to
replace the lowest strap of my leg harness.
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Yeah, I wanted it to be easy for me to take on and off (I got sick of getting in and out of the mail with the spaulders more permanently attached). I should take a close-up shot of the spaulders; what you can't see is that I tied them onto a short leather strap (from a bag of cheap remnants from Michael's), to which I affixed a metal hook that I made from some 14g wire. That way I can just hook it to the "collar" of the mail. Still very simple.
I haven't found buckles etc yet. I know Wolf recommended dog collars, though I didn't see any I liked at Petsmart. If they were long enough, they had really big buckles, etc. Maybe I'll look at Walmart and see if I can find anything better.
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Took a close-up of the spaulders. I made the straps a lot longer than you see here, having made several rows of holes so I could adjust where they sit. It just turns out that the shortest position is what works best. :)
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2087.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2087b.jpg)
(this one is clickable)
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Hey Ed,
I'm just curious: Why did you choose the spaulders for your 13th c. kit? I don't know so much about 13th c. armour. I was looking through some books today, though, and I didn't see any examples. Most either wore the mail as-is, or in some cases they are wearing the square aillettes. Do you know of examples? Or did you just like the look with the spaulders? Just curious.
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Yeah I think I'm taking a minor liberty since they started to appear in the early 14th, whereas most of the rest of what I'm doing is around 1270-1295 as far as I can tell. I think they were briefly used in this way right before more extensive plate was introduced.
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Well, since we ended up adjusting our weekend plans, I actually had some time tonight to do some of the work on my mail that I needed to do before the weekend.
Ignore the silly posing, it's awkward trying to stand on the stepladder to get high enough to show the chauses, and still hold the camera steady without a tripod and without the flash. :)
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2123.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2126.jpg)
I've been doing some much needed preparation... the armpits over time pulled apart a good 4 inches or so on each side, and the hauberk is finally long enough to justify the front and back splits. Otherwise this is my first test of wearing it together with the chauses and new spaulders and new linen shirt.
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Excellent! It really came together for you Ed! I am very impressed!
You know if we all manage to get together @ the MDRF with our different
period kits, we would present quite an interesting timeline for armor during
a good part of the transitional period.
I think there will be lots of photo ops for us all then!
oh and yet another good thing about the great helms...
You don't have to wear out your facial muscles as you pose for
those pictures...who's going know if you're not smiling? ;)
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Well, another option is to scowl menacingly for every other photo so as to not asymmetrically exercise your face. :)
I got some new pics while at NCRF. Here's some choice photos (all clicky):
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2139.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2139b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2138.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2138b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2143.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2143b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2140.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2140b.jpg)
Of course, the first time you take new items to an event, you discover things you hadn't taken into account. I never test-fitted the mail chauses with the boots (and I definitely wanted these boots this weekend with all the mud!), and found that I can only just barely fit it together. But it worked!
The new leather strap I installed on the shield worked well. I was able to hoist it high up so that it was comfortable and not crashing into things in various vendor booths. The only downside is that the strap practically goes through my armpit, though it's not uncomfortable.
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how did the chausis work out? any pulled rings? any pain and suffering of the wearer?
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I had a ring unlink from one the four around it, that I'm aware of. Nothing else that I noticed. I found that I might have to adjust it and move it around after sitting down, since they would slide down from my thigh a bit, and the only thing pulling it back up is that one connection to the belt. Someday when I'm smarter about this sort of thing I may sew it onto a leather piece around the thigh to keep it all straight, since I think that's what they did in period.
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The shield looks really good with the rest of the kit.
Now we just need to get you a really nice 13th c. sword! (You know how I am about swords...)
I think this one, when its finished, will likely look awesome with what you're going for:
(http://www.albion-swords.com/images/swords/albion/nextGen/chevalier/chevalier.jpg)
http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/nextgen/sword-medieval-chevalier-xa.htm
Based on this miniature:
(http://www.albion-swords.com/images/swords/albion/nextGen/chevalier/Matthew-Paris-miniature-c1250.jpg)
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(http://i10.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/d8/9a/857e_1.JPG) i go tone like this that still needs a scabbard
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Yeah, that Albion design looks pretty sweet. I do also have my Albion Baron on order, and it's a XIIa, some of which like this date into the latter half of the 13th C. The suspension won't be period, but then I can also swap it out. I bought a double-wrap sword belt at NCRF that is a lot closer. I also want to get a single-hander from this period, but decided to start with the longsword.
I'm still waiting to hear from Christian Fletcher. He was originally estimating a May delivery, but since the actual work I'm commissioning isn't that complex, it could mean that he'll also be starting it in May. Being that it's April already, I'm getting anxious. :)
EDIT: While at NCRF I carried an old CAS/I sword on a baldric. The sword was less out of period than the baldric, but it's certainly a cheaper "costume sword" as far as I'm concerned.
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I snapped some pictures this morning of how I mount the crest onto my
helm.
You can check them out here if you want a better idea of what I e-mailed to you a
few months back...hopefully those instructions will make a little better sense now! ;)
http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd251/Tah908/Crest/ (http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd251/Tah908/Crest/)
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Awesome, thanks for posting those. It certainly gives me some ideas. I think I really need to start assembling mine... I've been putting it off, since I want to make the mantle using the remnants of the linen I bought, after making a new surcoat (I'd rather not make the mantle and then discover that I don't have enough contiguous material for the surcoat). Since a surcoat takes several hours to put together, I just haven't made the time for it. Then again, I can just cut the pieces out, and make it later.
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I know exactly what you mean...My current mantle is a second attempt. Assembling
the crest mounting was actually fairly easy and quick...figuring out how to arrange
the mantle and what to do with the torse ends took longer and eventually required
Rosemary's keen perspective of what is fashionable to get it right. ;)
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Well, I took a first stab at the mantle tonight. I'll probably do a nicer job on one again later, but I can use this for VARF on Saturday. It's held in place with some subtle magnets:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2201.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2201b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2202.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2202b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2203.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2203b.jpg)
(all are clicky)
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The mantle is looking good ED! I really like the zagged stitching...though it sure gobbles up the
thread! I almost ran out of my metalic gold thread when I did mine. :-\
Did you make any progress on the torse? ... or were you going to wait and backwards engineer
it from mine? ;)
I'll bring some of the rope batting I used on mine just in case! :D
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Yeah, te zig-zag uses a bit more, but not as badly as what I did on the blue/white surcoat, where I used a pattern that created diamond-shapes with a double zig-zag... that used thread like crazy.
I've been trying to get the dragon figured out before tackling the torse. I have some decorative rope material to try making a torse from. And I have the dragon painted blue... I'll probably do a clear coat tonight. I still have to figure out how to attach it, so I may not have that done before Saturday, and of course I wanted to do that before the torse.
Feels good to be making some progress again! :)
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I made progress on the crest tonight. I don't think it'll be ready for Saturday, and the reason is that my plan for how to attach it isn't working as well as I'd hoped. Probably salvageable, though it may be more of an occasional-wear sort of thing rather than all-day-at-the-faire sort of thing.
I've been trying to build it to use magnets to hold it on. I bought some strong little "rare earth" magnets. With 6, it's holding on pretty well, unless I rock the helmet back and forth a little too much. It makes me concerned for faire. I've already broken off part of the wing-tip (glued it back on) in testing this. I also cracked one of the feet trying to put a screw hole into it. Apparently the dragon is partially hollow, and not solid resin, so it's not as strong as I had hoped.
I also might have to make a second mantle that attaches around the base, and use the one I made already by itself.
Pic of the dragon:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2205.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2205b.jpg)
(clicky)
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super glue or nail glue work ?
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For which part? :)
I tried some gorilla glue on the broken wing tip. Part of it worked. I may try some superglue.
I attached the dragon to the wood base with hot-glue, as well as the magnets to the underside of it. This aspect worked surprisingly well.
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For the dragon repair use some epoxy putty...the kind you can get @ a games workshop store.
You can fill in the cracks along the break and blend it into the crevices really well. It helps to
wet your fingers and sculpting tool (toothpicks work well) with tap water as you work with it.
Just last night I repaired the tail on my griffin crest with this stuff. ;)
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The crest+torse probably won't be ready for tomorrow's outing, but I'm tempted to give it one last quick shot tonight. I'll have to make a mantle that wraps around the base of the crest... maybe I'll pick up some velcro strips. If I do get it to work, I may only wear it briefly and then put it away.
(yes, I know velcro and magnets aren't exactly period... but if they're hidden, who cares??) :)
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(yes, I know velcro and magnets aren't exactly period... but if they're hidden, who cares??) :)
Jesus will know, Ed.
;)
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Haha, lol... well, more importantly, I'll know... but I decided long ago that I won't fret about things which I can hide. :)
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Yay, I finally got to try out the crest/mantle/torse:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2211.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2211b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2220.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2220b.jpg)
(clicky)
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awesome!
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Your crest, mantle and torse were superb sir! You did a magnificent
job on putting it together and under the added duress of a tight timeline!
I like this picture because we look like some knights on campaign
...or a knight of the round belly in my case...REALLY its the armor all
bunched up and not a beer gut! :D
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd251/Tah908/VARF/08VARF_032.jpg)
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Thank you, sir! Yours looks magnificent, as always as well!
Hah, yes the armor tends to be very unflattering in places. I've noticed that. It tends to exaggerate one's gut. I keep lamenting that in most of my photos as well. :)
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hahahah reminds me of the time a buddy tried on my rivetted shirt for the first time.he's a big guy and the day was almost night. by the time i took the picture it looked like he had MAN BOOBS hehehehe he of course edited them out once the picture got on the computer hehehe
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I like Ser Brian's heraldic shield rather more than Edward's unfinished one. The crest on Brian's great helm is also somewhat more realistic than the Dragon on Edward's helm. In my opinion at least, the design of the dragon is a bit too modern. I think Ed's whole kit will look great when it's finished, however.
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I'm wonder if I should keep calling this my "13th Century" kit. I think the spaulders and crest are pretty firmly moving me into the 14th. Perhaps I should just call it my "-700 years kit", and declare it to be 1308 (for this year anyway). :)
On a whim, seeing as the weather cooperated and I otherwise ended up with the day free, I decided to head back down to VARF for the closing day. A couple of things came to light.
1) As per what Brian and I had been discussing before, I pre-soaked the garments under the mail. How wonderful this is! It helped keep me cool all day. Your sweat replenishes it, and you get cooled very well whenever there's a breeze. I poured a bottle of water into the linen and mail before entering the faire, and it was still wet and cool at the end of the day.
2) My mail chausses... I need to seriously rethink how I've designed these. This was only the 3rd day I've taken them out, and they're failing. A hole about 1"x2" opened up over one of the knees, just from walking. And of course, as I was walking over to the final costume contest, one of them popped loose from my waist (the steel links failed). So without tools, I took my belts apart, and used my teeth to close the links, and got it to hold for the rest of the day. It's looking to me like I may need to make the whole thing out of steel, possibly, but more importantly I need to design them correctly and attach them to a leather thigh-covering, which in turn would be pointed at the waist or hips. I shouldn't be trying to reinvent the wheel. :)
Speaking of the costume contest, all "returning champions" won. They gave us all season passes for next year. Apparently they couldn't choose this time either.
Here are some pics of my armor from today. If you click to zoom on the first one, you can see the hole near the knee. Additional pics (of Kat) are also on my faire pics page for this year: http://ed.toton.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?year=2008&gallery=faire
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2236.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2236b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2237.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2237b.jpg)
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Looking good, Ed! ;)
Kat looks positively beautiful!
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awsome. might try one of those diamond shapes placed over the knee around to allow for more room like we were talking about in tailoring mail.
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I don’t know, you still have the ailettes you can substitute for the spaulders and comfortably be
right back into the later 13th century…but yeah the crest would have to go in that case as they were
definitely in the 14th century era, still it’s always great to have versatility!
Yeah pre-soaking your undergarments is defiantly a must! Of course it can be a bit chilly when you
first put it on. ;)
Hey congratulations on winning a season pass! Rosemary and I would have liked to have been there
for the closing weekend but it was my weekend to work. :(
Bummer about your chausses, but you’ll get them worked out! They are just too cool to abandon completely! :)
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That's true, I still need to figure out what I'm doing with the ailettes.
I've renamed this thread in the meantime though. :) From what I understand, some crests started to appear in the 13th, but wouldn't have been common until sometime in the 14th. I'm curious when exactly they became widespread, as well as when the spaulders started catching on. The early 14th works for me. It's the time of the fall of the Templars, and the writings of Geoffroi de Charney. A lot of interesting history in there.
I managed to save myself some of the initial chill of putting on the shirt by wetting it while wearing it. I got half suited up, then poured the water all over myself, which felt great since I was already getting sweaty out in that parking lot! :) That's one of the nice things about the aluminum armor too... I could pour more through the armor and not worry about rust.
I haven't decided what to do with the chausses, in terms of going steel or reworking these. If I make something new, I can re-purpose these into mail greaves to attach to the padded cuisses or something. I've got time to think about it now. I probably won't be using them again until MD faire, unless something else comes up.
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Well, as I'm sure you'll remember, I left the VARF season with the chauses being in need of some serious love. With MDRF rapidly approaching (only a week away!), I decided to get back to work on these. Better late than never! :)
I've started working on the leather thigh-wrap that the mail will be stitched or tied onto:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2325.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2325b.jpg)
I bought the leather for about $25 at Pennsic, and just needed to create a template and cut these out. I'll probably make the belt straps tie off after looping back onto themselves, and then punch some holes and tie the mail on around the edges, and use some cord or laces to tie the back-closure together.
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Worked the chausses a bit tonight. I'm going to need to add gussets or something to help the expansion around the knee, but as long as I'm careful with sitting down, etc, I'll be able to wear these once I get the second one put together. Right now I just got one reassembled with the leather:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2327.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2327b.jpg)
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very nicely done!
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Yes! Looking very good indeed! :)
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Looks awesome Sir Edward!
I always have a dress rehearsal for any combination of things I'm going to wear. Got that from the old SCAdian days and it's even more true now if I know I'm going to be doing a lot of walking or any other exercise. especially if it's a new rig, or different style such as my Samurai yoroi. Lets ya' work the bugs out before they get to be a problem.
Have a question for all of ya's.... has anyone seen how a 15th cent. longsword was actually carried?
What I mean is, was it carried laterally as with a rapier, or more of the traditional straight down type of position? Any photos of Gothic armor I've seen all have the hands resting on the pommel or its an action shot....Any takers?..... :-\
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(http://www.replications.com/greys/Image%20Gallery/2005/MTT/full/07.jpg)
(http://www.replications.com/greys/Image%20Gallery/2005/MTT/full/59.jpg)
it usually has its own belt that loops the body. there are several different ways of doing it :)
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Assembled the second one tonight. I did this one slightly differently... the mail is tied on along the top and sides, whereas the first one is also tied together along the bottom edge of the leather. The second one seems slightly less restrictive. I may leave them like this until I have a chance to test-drive them at faire and see which I like better. :)
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2328.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2328b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2329.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2329b.jpg)
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Have a question for all of ya's.... has anyone seen how a 15th cent. longsword was actually carried?
What I mean is, was it carried laterally as with a rapier, or more of the traditional straight down type of position? Any photos of Gothic armor I've seen all have the hands resting on the pommel or its an action shot....Any takers?..... :-\
Sir Wolf shows some good examples. Here's one of my swords that has a nice historically accurate rig:
(http://www.myarmoury.com/images/collect/bill_swor_alb_regroy_g.jpg)
More detailed pics here:
http://www.myarmoury.com/bill_swor_alb_regroy.html?12
Also this one:
(http://www.myarmoury.com/images/collect/bill_swor_cf_at1520_a.jpg)
http://www.myarmoury.com/bill_swor_cf_at1520.html?17
(even though that one is displayed in my collection gallery, it now belongs to SwordChick)
You should also check out the artwork of Albrecht Dürer, which has some excellent, detailed images. The most famous is probably Knight, Death and the Devil.
(http://www.artchive.com/artchive/d/durer/knight.jpg)
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/D/durer/knight.jpg.html
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Figured I'd post a couple of the shots from this past faire season, since it looks like I didn't post any updates since before it really got going:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2354.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2354b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2337.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2337b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2339.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/weapons/a2339b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2341.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2341b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2348.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/faire/a2348b.jpg)
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I like it how the armour makes you guys look really massive compared to the ladies. I also like your new heraldic device Sir Edward! Much better than what you previously had on your shield.
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Some pics from yesterday at VARF, with the new crest, the spurs (that I need to replace, clearly), white belt, etc. Went all out yesterday. :)
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2009/weapons/b0470.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2009/weapons/b0470b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2009/weapons/b0471.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2009/weapons/b0471b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2009/weapons/b0472.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2009/weapons/b0472b.jpg)
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you know, the more i study the effigies the more you really need soupcan knees ;) just another awesome bit of armour hehehe
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Trying to make me go broke? lol :)
Yeah, I'm tempted to look into new legs for the kit. Just haven't decided what to do.
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Trying to make me go broke? lol :)
Yeah, I'm tempted to look into new legs for the kit. Just haven't decided what to do.
I know what a maintenance pain in the neck the chausses turned out to be for you...but I still
love them! They look great!
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Trying to make me go broke? lol :)
Yeah, I'm tempted to look into new legs for the kit. Just haven't decided what to do.
http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=268&c=175
http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=267&c=175
http://www.madmattsarmory.com/inv_legs.php
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=95
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_9&products_id=332
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_9&products_id=88
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_9&products_id=72
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEDIEVAL-SCA-KNEE-COPS-LEG-ARMOR-CR-LARP_W0QQitemZ250399279821QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a4cf5cacd&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEDIEVAL-SCA-ELBOW-KNEE-COPS-ARM-LEG-ARMOR-CR-LARP_W0QQitemZ250367599964QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a4b12655c&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116
http://clang.adkinssoftware.com/hist%20leg/leg%2014th%2001.html
http://clang.adkinssoftware.com/in-stock%2001.html
just to start u off in the right direction ;)
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Trying to make me go broke? lol :)
Yeah, I'm tempted to look into new legs for the kit. Just haven't decided what to do.
I know what a maintenance pain in the neck the chausses turned out to be for you...but I still
love them! They look great!
oh no, for Sir Edwards kit he has to wear teh mail legs WITH the knees over them... he has to its period hehehe
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Gah, I guess I have to say goodbye to the 13th C, eh? :)
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Gah, I guess I have to say goodbye to the 13th C, eh? :)
no they still are there in the late 13th. i'm looking at them on gothiceye at 1275-1320. knees over mail legs. you'll be perfect
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http://www.gothiceye.com/pictures.asp?categoryID=3&offset=9 see :)
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http://www.gothiceye.com/pictures.asp?categoryID=3&offset=9 see :)
Wow, one from 1250 has them. Why didn't I know this? :)
OK, I think I need to get a set. Or three. :)
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The real question is:
Are the ailettes going to make an appearance? ;)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd251/Tah908/Ailette.jpg)
They were used up to the early 13th weren't they?
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ooooooooo. ya those are nice. i think theres even one in teh 14th if u look at that gothic eye http://www.gothiceye.com/pictures.asp?categoryID=3&offset=18
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This guy is kinda cool:
(http://www.gothiceye.com/images/large/KN025-2.jpg)
c.1320, and he's got some simple plate armor with rondels over full-length mail sleeves and mittens.
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ooooooooo. ya those are nice. i think theres even one in teh 14th if u look at that gothic eye http://www.gothiceye.com/pictures.asp?categoryID=3&offset=18
BTW Sir Wolf, great link!
Has anyone taken note that there is also a lot of variance with the surcoat styles as there is with
the armor itself? ;)
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This guy is kinda cool:
(http://www.gothiceye.com/images/large/KN025-2.jpg)
c.1320, and he's got some simple plate armor with rondels over full-length mail sleeves and mittens.
that is kick butt man. the pieces are so easy to make i think. gutter upper and lower cannons, simple elbows and double rondels. awesome. plus the shoulder pieces (can't spell them hehehe)
i know lots of different surcoats. makes it super nice for non cookie cutter knights
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http://www.gothiceye.com/pictures.asp?categoryID=3&offset=9 see :)
Wow, one from 1250 has them. Why didn't I know this? :)
OK, I think I need to get a set. Or three. :)
well????????
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Haven't picked them out yet! Soon, grasshopper... patience. :)
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found some more:
http://spiers-saddlery.stores.yahoo.net/springsteel36.html
http://spiers-saddlery.stores.yahoo.net/poleyns1.html
http://spiers-saddlery.stores.yahoo.net/stroco.html
http://spiers-saddlery.stores.yahoo.net/rondellcops.html
http://spiers-saddlery.stores.yahoo.net/springsteel37.html
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/21215018@N07/3213783059/ one more
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http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=85928&highlight= see Rod's kit :)
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http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=85928&highlight= see Rod's kit :)
Dang, that's some fine work. I'm tempted to look into doing something similar with the padded cuisses, and make half-chauses out of mail to fit over modern (but hopefully well hidden) footwear, or some basic ankle-boots. That's not a bad way to go.
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Yep that would work very well! The only down side I could see is the heat factor would be
definately increased. :-\
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Well, here's what's afoot now.
I decided I need some poleyns and couters to add to this kit, and something a little better for the forearms and hands.
I placed an order with Merc's Tailor for the poleyns and couters, and also a set of splinted bracers (I went with the style that alternates the steel and brass, to be a nice accent with the helm's same combination of color). My plan is to taper the sleeves to meet at the elbow a little better, and I may also shorten the mail chausses to meet the top of the boot instead of inserting into it. I think I can free up the knee to move better and not fall apart all the time. I can always replace the knee portion with steel links too.
Now the thing I want to do is locate some good gaunts to go with this. I like the idea of these: (http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-68-mail-gauntlets.aspx (http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-68-mail-gauntlets.aspx)), but they look cheap to me. Mail gauntlets with some sort of cuff that comes back a bit would be great. And I don't want mittens, because I'll be wearing them all day at faire. And of course, they need to fit over the new vambraces. Any suggestions? Or should I just make them? :)
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what if you drill holes in the top side of the vambraces and attached the mail gloves to them instead of the plate part? you'd have to take the plate portion off the gloves so the leather cuff can go under the vambraces
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That's an idea. I wonder how far back the leather goes on those. I suppose they're cheap enough to experiment with.
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they look like the regular leather guantlets like you and i have, just the mail and plates or sewn on.
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Are these the type of bracers you ordered?
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=100 (http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=100)
These are the same kind I have and they are great! :)
As far as those gauntlets though I know a guy at the CRF that has a pair and I wasn't
very impressed with them. The leather is not very thick and those cuff plates will really
be problematic with the bracers. You could always make your gloves like I did mine! Just
order a couple of 1' X 1' sheets of the small welded mail from the ring lord and sew them
onto a pair of sturdy wal-mart work gloves. Mine have been holding up remarkable well! ;)
Did you order the type of couters that has the roundels already attached like the ones in the link?
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=117 (http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=117)
If not and you decide you want to add the rondels/ besagews then don't buy them because I have
an extra pair...I ordered them last year when I thought about putting them on my shoulder joint area
but they were too small for that but they are fantastic on the elbow cops...better than the ones that
are attached since it is kind of hard to get to the rust on the permanently attached ones, besides the
besagews are more eye catching than the attached ones! ;)
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=114 (http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=114)
You are more than welcome to them if you want them...they do have a bit of surface rust on them but
I'll get them cleaned up a bit for you. I'll even thread them with leather laces so you can attach them
to the strap of the couters if you want them. :)
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I went with the other style of splinted bracers: http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=32 (http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=32) with the brass option.
(http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/images/Bollinger%20bracers.jpg)
(hopefully the image inserts properly here)
Yeah, I went with the rondel elbows: http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=117 (http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=117) and the non-rondel knees: http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=95 (http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=95) in an effort to keep somewhat correct to the earlier part of the 14th. In the decades I'm targeting, technically I shouldn't have vambraces, and not more than the besegews on the elbows, and only simple "soup can" poleyns, so I figure if I fudge a lot of the arm armor, I can still have the besegews /rondels there for the appearance.
Technically some sort of splinted gaunts start to become a possibility in this time range, but I think it would look ridiculous to try to be "accurate" by having wisby gauntlets and only besegews and mail on on my arms otherwise. :)
My thought on the MRL gaunts was to try removing the plates, and use the leather cuff to affix more mail, or tuck it under the vambraces as Chuck suggested. But I'm just as tempted to order a set of leather gauntlets and make my own mail. It doesn't require much mail to cover that amount of area. I could probably do 16g 1/4" ID galvanized steel rings, and have it look decent. I just haven't decided yet.
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Wow! Those bracers are going to look great on your harness! :)
Are going to wear them with your new wrestling jacket from revial clothing when they finally send it?
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You know, that's a good question. I ordered it before its release, of course, so we'll see when it gets here what I decide to use it for. I figured between harnesses and swordplay, and other garb, I can use it for something, somewhere. :)
Kat and I were talking about the armor last night, and I mentioned how badly I'm fudging the historical accuracy on the arms and legs (lots of plate/splint components and tall heavy boots aren't exactly correct for around 1320 or earlier), but then, we decided that at least as far as everything from the knees up goes (ignoring the boots), who's to say it couldn't have existed this way a little later? By 1340 these components were in use, and the selection of armor components that I could have might be based on a combination of hand-me-downs and new items. So now I'm even more comfortable with fudging it a little. :)
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I'm thinking I need to upgrade my spaulders too. I bought these because I figured the aluminum would be much more comfortable than my old ones (and it is) and that they would curve over the shoulder more appropriately. They also looked smaller in the pictures when I ordered them, so they don't wrap correctly on my shoulders. They have typical SCA dimensions, being built more like football pads than period spaulders.
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Check out the spaulders from the Armour Gnomes. He might even be able to match the shade of blue in your COA.
(if not I always could at my work since I'm now back in my shop!). ;)
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hmmm I would see if Merc's would make you rerebracers (upper cannon) to match your vambs. that way you can point your new elbows to the upper and lower cannon. sorta like this : http://talbotsfineaccessories.com/books/splinted.JPG then get a nice early 14thc spaulder to wear over the mail :)
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hmm, that would look cool!
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well what did you decide Sir Ed? I would seriously pic one of those effigies and build your kit to look a lot like one of them. :) with fudging room of course for modern convinces hehehe.
I gotta work on my kit too. I've been seriously slacking off due to getting my WW2 kit together for my events this fall.
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Ed, i'm doing a set of simple plate rebrace with rondels for Luke Ireland, if thats something like whats being discussed.
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It sounds like a cool idea, though I'll have to think about how it'll go together. I just spent some time this weekend tapering my sleeves and they come down over the elbow, so for now the couters would sit over the mail a little bit. Let me see how that all goes together, and I'll think on it. :)
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don't forget to take progress pictures hehehe
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Are going to wear them with your new wrestling jacket from revial clothing when they finally send it?
Well I got a notification that my wrestling jacket was shipped which is great and just in time for the
NYRF in Tuxedo on the 22nd! Did they ship yours yet Ed?
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Yep, I got the shipping notification too.
Oh man, you're going up on the 22nd? We were going to go last weekend but it was too soon after Kat's surgery, so we're going this Saturday (15th). Christian and some of his folks will be up there on the 22nd too, but we can't go that weekend because I'm on pager duty.
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Bummer! We are anxious to see Kat's new garb as well as the additions to your own harness! :)
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Well, you won't miss anything, since my new stuff isn't here yet, and we're not garbing up heavily since Kat's still moving slowly, etc :)
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Are you going to make opening weekend at MDRF?
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Yep, I'll be there! And then I won't be back until nearly the end of September, because with pager duty I only will have every other weekend free, and the third MDRF weekend is when I'll be at WMAW instead. So I should be there on the weekends 1, 5, 7, and 9.
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Darn! You're going to miss Sir Dragonlover and his lovely lady during the labor day weekend! :(
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I shall be at Maryland on Sunday of Labor Day Weekend, I believe. That is the current plan anyway. It's PaRenFaire.net invasion day, so there will be a few of us Pa rennies there. I have not yet decided if I am going to armor up or not. Since I think this is probably going to my only trip to MdRF this season, I am leaning toward no armor so I can more easily get around the Faire and see what I want to...
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Excellent! I'll see you there! :)
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Are going to wear them with your new wrestling jacket from revial clothing when they finally send it?
Well I got a notification that my wrestling jacket was shipped which is great and just in time for the
NYRF in Tuxedo on the 22nd! Did they ship yours yet Ed?
Well I got my new wrestling jacket and it looked great. I got it in dark green (of course ;) ) and it is
substantially thinner and lighter - i.e. COOLER than my other gambesons, the only problem is I
ordered the wrong size! :-[
Even though I'm sending it back today I'm not sure I will get the correct sized one back in time for the
NYRF next weekend! Oh well at least I'll have it for MDRF opening weekend! ;)
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We had a great time up here at NYRF/Tux today! Too bad we weren't here at the same time, but I didn't armor up today. We garbed light, mostly because Kat's still moving slowly after her surgery, but we were quite glad after today's heat!
But yeah, I've found that the sizing on Revival Clothing's arming garments is a little confusing. Nicole didn't believe me when I brought it up, but it looks like she's updated it since then. It used to be that for some of them, specifically the gambeson and arming cotte, it looked like I should fit into a small based on the measurements. Nope, both times I had to exchange them. I was always suspicious of it since I wear larges in men's sizing usually, but when it says a 36" waist and a 42 chest specifically, I should believe what they say, right? So I'm glad they updated it, but I guess it's still possible to choose wrong. ;D
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And guess what? I went with the medium and it's too tight in the arms!! I'm sending mine back as well. Time for an exchange!
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Heh, if you had ordered a dark green I could've saved you the $10.95 return shipping fee they charge you for exchanges! ;)
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Ed. we'll be wrapping everything of yours up this weekend. I'll give you a yell to connect up on the CC info to sqaure up on the B&B and sallet portion and the lot will all head out in the same box week.
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Ed. we'll be wrapping everything of yours up this weekend. I'll give you a yell to connect up on the CC info to sqaure up on the B&B and sallet portion and the lot will all head out in the same box week.
Excellent! Sounds great. :)
*jumping up and down excitedly*
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As much as I've complained about leaving the 13th Century and entering the 14th, I'm actually pretty happy with early 14th. In fact, I'm starting to contemplate ideas for improving the arms and legs beyond just the simple mail that the 13th would require of me. Of course, I've started with the Merc's Tailor bits that will be here maybe this week, but soon I'll look into new spaulders, and I will re-evaluate the legs. I could even go with some splinted cuisses or reduce the length of the mail chausses to essentially be mail cuisses, and work in some splinted or simple plate greaves.
BTW, anyone here ever play Stronghold 2 on the computer? Fun little game! Their "swordsmen" are essentially early 14th century knights:
(http://modernchivalry.org/images/stronghold2_stairfight.jpg)
I could even deal with the slightly shorter surcoat, like that, I just need to brainstorm a little.
Just thinking aloud here. :)
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Early to mid-14th Century has always been my favorite and you're right about the surcoat. I can't easily
find my online resources that discussed the variation and development of the surcoat in the middle ages,
but essentially the length of the surcoat become shorter during the 14th C. The next progression point
after the length of mine would have been to become even shorter and much tighter fitting over the
harness by approximately the 1370's. Prior to my 1330 -1350 period the surcoat would've been a
transition between the long and short surcoat. - i.e. short in the front and long in the back, sort of
like the old style tuxedoes with tails! ;)
I'll try harder to find those reference links for you. :)
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Ed, in a moment of tard perfection I ran your box out yesterday and posted it out, got back to the shoppe and saw your helmet and tassets sitting on my bench so they'll be going out today because i'm to stupid to have put them in the box with the rest of your stuff. Appologies.
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lol, no problem. Thanks for the head's up so I don't panic when I open the box! :)
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The first box got here today. Man, these are some great parts.
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2009/weapons/b0813.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2009/weapons/b0813b.jpg)
The vambraces are a little big on me, at least on my bare arms, but there are of course some ways to deal with that. I can always cut it down by taking off a splint or two's worth on each. The buckles and straps give me plenty of room to work with. And I can always wear some sort of padding. The fit would be more correct if I were wearing full length sleeves in both a gambeson and the mail. I suppose I could always extend my mail sleeves. :)
The knees and elbows have a really great leather suspension that keeps them comfortable.
Allan did a really nice job reworking my B&B plates! A lot of the changes are subtle, adding some slot rivets, limiting straps, and some reshaping. I haven't had a chance to put it all on, but I can see just from holding it up to myself that it's a much more appropriate fit than how it was originally made. It should be much more comfortable now!
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Looks great! Man I can't believe I have to wait three weeks to see the additions to your harness
in person! :(
Oh well that might be the same time that Sir Wolf will make his appearance at the MDRF as well? :)
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I can always cut it down by taking off a splint or two's worth on each.
Ed, thats exactly how they're designed, try them on over everything before making the final call on how many to cut down. Use the edge of the splints as a straight edge and just run an exacto knife down the edge. If you have any questions don't hesitate to give me a yell.
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I can always cut it down by taking off a splint or two's worth on each.
Ed, thats exactly how they're designed, try them on over everything before making the final call on how many to cut down. Use the edge of the splints as a straight edge and just run an exacto knife down the edge. If you have any questions don't hesitate to give me a yell.
Brilliant! It's no wonder why I love your products! :)
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very cool
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That's good to know. I suspected that was the case, and even if it wasn't intentional by design, it looks very straightforward to do. Thanks! :)
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Well I got the exchanged wrestling jacket yesterday from Revial Clothing and it fits perfectly!
I had to settle for black since they were out of the forest green in the size I needed but black
works just as well. I wish I had this a week earlier! This will be much cooler on those warmer
days yet still offer adequate protection from those armor bites. I'm very happy with it! ;D
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Well, I think it's getting to be time to re-evaluate my mail chausses again. The aluminum just keeps falling apart. I'm still looking at this set on Ice Falcon's site: http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-chainmail-chausses-regular-ff808181179c9ac201179d9536cd376c-p.html (http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-chainmail-chausses-regular-ff808181179c9ac201179d9536cd376c-p.html)
They're a little pricey, but I shouldn't have any problems with riveted steel coming apart just from walking!
I suspect I'll still need to do something similar to what I've already done, if not completely re-use the leather. I just need to decide if I want to point them to a pourpoint (like this one (http://www.revivalclothing.com/14thcenturylinenpourpoint.aspx)) or something similar, or do what I've been doing and suspend them from a belt.
The other thing is that since these are full-length, I really should get used to the idea of using period footwear with it, or at least use modern shoes that I can hide under the mail and make it look period enough. :)
And... the mail would be strong enough to attach the knees I bought, finally.
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at the top of these chausis is a belt loop. ( James aka kivian has a pair) you will need to do something about the bottom of the foot though. they are open. I have seen people make a leather sole and either sew or put rings into the sole and attach them into the rings of the mail foot.
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Go with the pour point! Sir Andrew suggested a pour point to me last year and I'm so glad he did! It is beyond a doubt far more comfortable than a belt! It will be another layer which will add to the heat issue of course but still more comfortable since the belts have a tendency to bite into you throughout the day. ;)
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at the top of these chausis is a belt loop. ( James aka kivian has a pair) you will need to do something about the bottom of the foot though. they are open. I have seen people make a leather sole and either sew or put rings into the sole and attach them into the rings of the mail foot.
Well, I ordered a set!
Yeah, for the foot, I'll need to see how well the mail covers the top of the foot and whether it reaches the toe tips. One thing I might be able to do is run a leather lace through the links at the edge and zig-zag it under the sole (and use a turnshoe or some other reasonably period shoe). I think this is a period way of doing it anyway, but I'm not sure.
I'll have to see if I can find some pics showing ways of doing this.
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Go with the pour point! Sir Andrew suggested a pour point to me last year and I'm so glad he did! It is beyond a doubt far more comfortable than a belt! It will be another layer which will add to the heat issue of course but still more comfortable since the belts have a tendency to bite into you throughout the day. ;)
I've ordered one of these as well. I think it'll be handy to have in general, even if I end up with a belt on the chausses (which I'm used to already), since I'll be working on additional kits! :)
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One thing I might be able to do is run a leather lace through the links at the edge and zig-zag it under the sole (and use a turnshoe or some other reasonably period shoe). I think this is a period way of doing it anyway, but I'm not sure.
Like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8765199@N07/4300825325/in/set-72157606473530717/
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4029/4300825325_88f06e82ca.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8765199@N07/4300825325/in/set-72157606473530717/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8765199@N07/4301572130/in/set-72157606473530717/
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2735/4301572130_3545de19db.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8765199@N07/4301572130/in/set-72157606473530717/)
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that works too. of course i've seen guys in the SCA wear tennis shoes or boots and staple the mail to the soles sides of the shoes. so they have good footwear but its hidden heheh
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I'm not discounting that possibility either. There's a lot of gravel and uneven ground at the renfaires. I may yet decide I still want modern footwear, and just try to hide it well.
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The new stainless riveted chausses just got here. They're pretty nice! They're tailored reasonably well. I was surprised (except for Sir Wolf's note about it) that they do go all the way up into a belt loop. The height is even pretty decent for me with the "regular" size. Any taller and I'd have problems. They'd run a little shorter on someone with thicker legs than mine, so it looks like they'll work for a lot of fairly typical leg sizes.
It looks like they just barely can reach the tip of my toes, but there's excess around the sides of the foot. So I'll have to trim a little. I might just go and look for some comfortable plain black loafers, and lace the mail under the foot like the photo above. It'll be hidden from view for the most part, and have more of a modern sole than the period footwear (though I must say, the ankle boots from Revival Clothing are very comfortable. I'm just concerned about all the gravel, mulch, and uneven ground at faire with my modern soft feet :)).
They do have the same problem I ran into when I was making my other set. If they slide down at all (which happens while walking, but particularly if you sit, kneel, or prop your foot up on something high), instead of sliding back, the back edge digs into your thigh and you can't fully straighten back up. So I'll need a leather piece in here again, much like in the other fellow's photo above, except it won't protrude from the top since the mail continues up to the waist in this case.
Man, trying them on has turned my hands black. It's OK though if it blackens up my hosen, which I only use for armor anyway. Speaking of which, the hosen are pretty comfortable. It's a shame they went out of style.
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Well, the chausses worked out pretty well. It's still a bit of a fight to keep them in the right place. They do have some weight to them, of course. It's also extremely difficult to keep them from bunching up at the ankles, but that's true of any full-length chausses I think.
I left a few too many links on the sides of the feet, and really should have cut more off. As a temporary fix, I tied a lace across the top center of my foot to hold the sides up a little so I wasn't stepping on those edge links all day. Otherwise, it held up pretty well.
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2010/weapons/i0171.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2010/weapons/i0171b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2010/weapons/i0172.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2010/weapons/i0172b.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2010/weapons/i0174.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2010/weapons/i0174b.jpg)
I zig-zagged some leather laces under the soles like the example photos a few posts back. It worked out pretty well!
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awesome. can u use some of the cut off rings and attach them with mild steel butted rings to cover the toes?
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Well, they're pretty well ruined, so probably not.
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well when ever you decide to visit we'll work on the toes hehehe i have some black mild steel rings we can use to bridge the gap there ;)
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I think you should add a toe spike! This way you could do a forward kick as well as a backward kick with your deadly sharpened spurs thereby making you TWICE as dangerous! :D
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Ooohh... front and rear spurs! Yes, it would be quite deadly. :)
Heh, I found another new use for the spurs this weekend... tucking the laces under them so they don't catch on things.
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well when ever you decide to visit we'll work on the toes hehehe i have some black mild steel rings we can use to bridge the gap there ;)
You know, I might actually still have the pieces I cut out of the voiders. That might work. Hmmm...
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awesome!
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Interesting thread on myArmoury about mail coifs, including integrated hauberk+coifs, coifs worn over and under the hauberk, and coifs with square mantles:
http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=19424 (http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=19424)
Out of that discussion, it makes me want to just call this kit my "1300 kit" and stop trying to pin it to the late 13th or early 14th. :) Also, if I make a new surcoat, I might try to design it with the idea of wearing it over the coif. Maybe I can work in some trim or something? That would be cool.
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How's that Windlass shield working for you...could you perhaps take a picture of the backside so I can see the strapping? I have a feeling that mine's not quite right but my shieldmaker's very amenable to adjustments. Thanks in advance.
By the by, I like what you've done with the chausses...they look like they fit well and are probably relatively comfortable. I'm with you...I use modern materials under my period wear as well, for ease of use.
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I believe this is the one Sir Edward purchased.
http://kultofathena.com/images/801204_1_l.jpg (http://kultofathena.com/images/801204_1_l.jpg)
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How's that Windlass shield working for you...could you perhaps take a picture of the backside so I can see the strapping? I have a feeling that mine's not quite right but my shieldmaker's very amenable to adjustments. Thanks in advance.
By the by, I like what you've done with the chausses...they look like they fit well and are probably relatively comfortable. I'm with you...I use modern materials under my period wear as well, for ease of use.
Yep, the chausses are pretty comfortable, for the most part. To hold them up, I have the leather straps and the belt-loop that's built into the mail go up to a belt (though the latter doesn't reach as high so I just tie it to the belt with some leather lace). To minimize how much they drift downward on me, the belt has to be TIGHT. If I used it with pants, I'd leave maybe 3 or 4 holes unused, but I tighten it down to the last one for the chausses. This puts a lot of the weight right on the corners of the hips, but the mail conforms to the leg and distributes most of the rest of it pretty well. By the end of the faire day, I'm ready to relieve the pressure on my hips, but it doesn't hurt.
I believe this is the one Sir Edward purchased.
http://kultofathena.com/images/801204_1_l.jpg (http://kultofathena.com/images/801204_1_l.jpg)
Mine is much taller and more pointy at the bottom, but that's exactly how the straps came. The shoulder strap was a fixed length like that, so what I did was cut most of it off, and take a cheap leather belt, cut it in half, and rivet the two pieces to the remaining pieces from the original strap that I left on the shield. That way I have an adjustable belt+buckle going over my shoulder.
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(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs286.snc3/27971_10150200731040035_537700034_12921339_4991086_n.jpg)
new picture i was presented with. don't have all of the details on it.
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Well, it's time to rethink the footwear that I wear under the mail chausses. I went with the Revival Clothing medieval ankle boots (looks like they're discontinued now), and they didn't make it through an entire season. When I got home last week, the sole popped off of one of them. The other is pealing too. I'm glad they made it through the day-- the sole came off as a stepped out of the car at home.
I'm tempted to go back to Sandlar's booth at MDRF, since they make an ankle-high boot. The advantage of this is that it will be durable and waterproof. The downside is that it won't look historical, but then it'll mostly be hidden under the foot of the mail anyway.
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ug are u kidding me? that sucks. they weren't made as a proper turn shoe but still that blows
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That guy standing to the right...a bit of a dandy, isn't he? ;)
Sir Edward, sorry to hear about the footwear but if you're anything like me, you're somewhat excited at the prospect of acquiring new footwear! Ok, maybe I don't get worked up like I used to but anything new to the kit is well...its cool, very cool.
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Well, it's time to rethink the footwear that I wear under the mail chausses. I went with the Revival Clothing medieval ankle boots (looks like they're discontinued now), and they didn't make it through an entire season. When I got home last week, the sole popped off of one of them. The other is pealing too. I'm glad they made it through the day-- the sole came off as a stepped out of the car at home.
I'm tempted to go back to Sandlar's booth at MDRF, since they make an ankle-high boot. The advantage of this is that it will be durable and waterproof. The downside is that it won't look historical, but then it'll mostly be hidden under the foot of the mail anyway.
Well, it's funny how this worked out. I bought those Sandlar ankle-high boots this past season, and ended up grinding out a small channel on the sole to accommodate the strap for the spurs. They work, but I have to remember to wear thick socks to keep them really tight on my feet, or else I may get some nasty blisters (which happened once). They were kinda expensive too.
So get this-- I ordered a set of ankle boots from Viking Leathercrafts. Nice and affordable, and while I haven't worn them yet (just tried one on to make sure the size was right), I can tell they're more well made than the Revival ones. I expect these to work really well. Now I'm wishing I saved my money on those Sandlars. These are much more historical looking and should be perfectly comfortable.
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So get this-- I ordered a set of ankle boots from Viking Leathercrafts. Nice and affordable, and while I haven't worn them yet (just tried one on to make sure the size was right), I can tell they're more well made than the Revival ones. I expect these to work really well. Now I'm wishing I saved my money on those Sandlars. These are much more historical looking and should be perfectly comfortable.
Lol! That is so freaking cool because I just got my pair for my 14th C soft kit last Thursday and they are excellent and very affordable! :)
These are the ones I got.
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I went with black, with buckles, and with the lugged soles. They look like they'll do the job pretty well!
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I decided not to get the lugged soles since I don't intend to wear my spurs with them but they will be nice and comfortable for the demo. :)
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So get this-- I ordered a set of ankle boots from Viking Leathercrafts. Nice and affordable, and while I haven't worn them yet (just tried one on to make sure the size was right), I can tell they're more well made than the Revival ones. I expect these to work really well. Now I'm wishing I saved my money on those Sandlars. These are much more historical looking and should be perfectly comfortable.
Lol! That is so freaking cool because I just got my pair for my 14th C soft kit last Thursday and they are excellent and very affordable! :)
These are the ones I got.
I've got 2 pairs of those, one in brown and one in black. The brown pair are for use with my sabs and work great. I punched holes in them for the toe points. The only issue is the lacing they come with are too thick and the mega-knots they form when tied can interfere with sabs or greaves, so I redommend replacing them with something thinner, or just punch some more holes and make the shoe side-laced instead.
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Viking leather is considering running some sort of sale via the AA...he's asking for suggestions. I'm pretty sure I replied 'shoes'. :)
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awesome, always wanted a pair
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Well, I completely forgot that CAS/GDFB discontinued all the stainless mail they had. This is making things complicated. I'm trying to get a new full-sleeve hauberk that I can wear and be more historical.
Looking at Icefalcon, the dome riveted one that would fit me is a good $200+ more expensive than KoA's prices, and it would be another $350 or something to get it with wedge rivets.
KoA still has the 60" hauberk in stainless in stock. As far as I can tell, the 48" version has vanished entirely, and even if I find it on another site, it's likely to cost more than the 60" from KoA.
So, I've ordered the 60". I can cut it down. Now that I have links and a tool I can work with!
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hmm and do you have any plans for the portions you will be cutting out? ??? ;D
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And if the portion you will be cutting out still isn't be enough to suit my needs would you consider going on a crash diet before making any alterations? :D
*Hey there is no harm in asking! Don't hate me because you all didn't think to ask first!* :P
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Well, we'll just have to see. :) I know I need some for the toes of my chausses, but that's not a lot. I'll need some for the hands too.
I may be removing about 10" (at full extension) from the front and back, but I'll just have to see. The 48" would have fit reasonably well, but I might need a little more just to comfortably accommodate the gambeson, so I may not take out the full 12". So in a way, ordering the 60" might be a blessing in disguise.
Oh, the gambeson... What I decided to do is have Jess Finley (Fuhlen Designs) make me a 13th century aketon. It's looking like August/September before my turn comes up.
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wow cool. whats she charging?
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Well, we'll just have to see. :) I know I need some for the toes of my chausses, but that's not a lot. I'll need some for the hands too.
Oh, and I'll probably be expanding the sides down near the base so that it's not just a tube with crotch splits.
wow cool. whats she charging?
She's treating it as one of her normal gambesons, so $350.
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This place in Poland has some really cool arming garments. Greg Mele pointed me toward this store to get a hold of helmets produced by Jacek Matera, but browsing around revealed lots of cool stuff.
http://www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/12th-13th-century-gambesons.html (http://www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/12th-13th-century-gambesons.html)
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I can haz mail...
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3182.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3182b.jpg)
The new hauberk is on the right, and the haubergeon for my mid-14th kit is on the left. Interestingly, the hauberk comes with narrower sleeves. I may not need to squeeze them in as much. However, they're not as long as I expected either, so I may be adding length from the body pieces I cut out to reduce the size. I'll be relocating a lot of material in this project, for sure.
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sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I can haz mail...
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3182.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3182b.jpg)
The new hauberk is on the right, and the haubergeon for my mid-14th kit is on the left. Interestingly, the hauberk comes with narrower sleeves. I may not need to squeeze them in as much. However, they're not as long as I expected either, so I may be adding length from the body pieces I cut out to reduce the size. I'll be relocating a lot of material in this project, for sure.
Congrats! Did that come from IceFalcon? The sleeves do look much thinner than mine. It looks the same height as the haubergeon too?
I prefer relocating material, to weaving it ring by ring from scratch. :)
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Nope, it was one of the last remaining GDFB stainless ones. They've been discontinued, but KoA still had the 60" in stock. It's actually longer than the haubergeon, it's just that they're not both stretched the same way in the photo. Stretching them more length-wise, it looks like it's 5" longer at full stretch.
Interestingly, the sleeves narrow to the same width that we measured out on the haubergeon to fit over my gambeson. They may not need much tapering.
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wow that is great news. can't wait to see it all done up. wonder why they discontinued all that stuff. it was such a great price too
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Yeah, I guess the stainless wasn't selling as well, or maybe the cost of stainless steel shot up or something. They still have all the mild steel stuff, but dropped the stainless. At least Icefalcon still offers it.
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Wow, nice looking mail you have there, Sir!
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Very sweet! Congratulations! :)
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Boy, riveting goes a lot slower than I was used to with my butted mail. I knew that would be the case, but yikes.
Anyway, over the course of the weekend I got a strip removed from the back, and closed the seam while leaving the back split open at the base. Now I need to remove material from the front, which will be a little harder since I have to preserve the neck opening. But my plan is to take a page from Sir James' book and leave the front open so I can put it on like a jacket. I want to put ties in the opening so that I can lace it shut with a little bit of overlap.
I'm also removing more material from the front than from the back, so that the back panel is wider (which it should be, to allow the arms to move forward more easily).
Once I've done those things, I'll start testing out the sleeves and see how much I need to lengthen them, and I'll also add expansions on the sides of the bottom edges. And then I'll replace those same expansions on my 14th c. haubergeon to replace the butted links I put on that one. I hope I have enough left over material to do these without linking too much myself.
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Wow that is going to look so freaking awesome when you get it done...which should be before Sir Wolf's knighting ceremony right? - But hey don't rush on our account! ;)
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Boy, riveting goes a lot slower than I was used to with my butted mail. I knew that would be the case, but yikes.
I think weaving riveted mail is one of the few things that could make the toughest of knights cry, after a while. :)
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The riveted mail is awesome for sure! :)
I think weaving riveted mail is one of the few things that could make the toughest of knights cry, after a while.
What? Nonsense! Riveted mail would make the Knight who would be wearing it more tougher (and with tough arming garb to complete it) than he appears to be. ;)
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good thing knights bought or had made all their gear and didnt make it themselves hhehehhe
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good thing knights bought or had made all their gear and didnt make it themselves hhehehhe
Well they were accomplished at breaking each other's gear! ;)
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The riveted mail is awesome for sure! :)
I think weaving riveted mail is one of the few things that could make the toughest of knights cry, after a while.
What? Nonsense! Riveted mail would make the Knight who would be wearing it more tougher (and with tough arming garb to complete it) than he appears to be. ;)
Weaving, not wearing. Weaving = putting together the thousands of rings. ;)
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Very nice Sir Ed! I can't wait to see it finished, and paired with the Teutonic gear ;)
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I can't wait to see it finished, and paired with the Teutonic gear
Hear! Hear!
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I haven't had time to work on it during the week, so hopefully I'll get more done on Saturday. I'm really looking forward to testing it out. Since I'm planning to leave the front open, thankfully all I need to do is more cutting before I can start testing out sleeve lengths and so on.
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I haven't had time to work on it during the week, so hopefully I'll get more done on Saturday. I'm really looking forward to testing it out. Since I'm planning to leave the front open, thankfully all I need to do is more cutting before I can start testing out sleeve lengths and so on.
Leaving the front open is a pretty smart idea, but I'm probably biased. :D
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There's a Knuut sleeveless hauberk, stainless, with an open front w/leather straps and buckles to close it. Too big for me but one of you fine gents might have what it takes to modify it...I think the seller is a bit broader in the chest than all of us, save for Sir Brian perhaps.
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I like the maille, it looks similar to my hauberk cept mines rather black and has a split in the front
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3717/1001323rd.jpg)
Starting to think I should of gotten GDFB maille now as I find the metallic finish rather cool.
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The GDFB stuff is starting out as somewhat blackened, but the black flakes off, so it's getting more metallic as time goes on. You can see that in the photo with both the haubergeon and hauberk, the haubergeon is a little lighter in color since I've used it.
The hauberk comes without the split, so you have to add it yourself.
Latest update-- I finished removing material from the front and back. I hope I didn't take out too much. With it pulling at you, it's hard to hold the front shut (with no lacing or anything) just to see how it's fitting. I'm going to try it on over a gambeson and lace it shut and see how it does. Worst case scenario, I open the back up again and add some material. But I think I have it sized down to 48" now. I'll double check. I just don't think I'll have time this weekend to do any of this yet.
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Do the sleeves taper on it a bit? It looks like it tapers more than mine, then again even if mine tapered that much to fit my skinny arms I'd need to tailor it anyway.
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Yep, it tapers from the armpit to the elbow area, and then it's a straight tube from there. I'll probably taper the wrist area a little more though.
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All I can say is that you must have the patience of a saint......or too much time on your hands lol ;)
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All I can say is that you must have the patience of a saint......or too much time on your hands lol ;)
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I have neither, unfortunately. :)
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All I can say is that you must have the patience of a saint......or too much time on your hands lol ;)
I have neither, unfortunately. :)
I might have to say that I do have the patience of a Saint unless if it business then I will have too much time and too many things on my hands. ;)
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The helm I ordered a few months ago finally came in. I think this is going to work really well. It has a chin-strap and leather suspension. I tried it on by itself, and it fits OK (though slightly loose), so I think it'll be OK over the cap and coif too (I can play with the height of the suspension as well).
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3308.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3308b.jpg)
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3309.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3309b.jpg)
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3310.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3310b.jpg)
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That is a very pretty helmet! You should get some action shots! :)
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Awesome! Would you mind bringing it sunday? I'm a little sad that the lion crest I ordered is bigger than the top of the great helm I have, and since that one doesn't taper at the top, it might be a better fit. Congrats on the new helm!
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Awesome! Would you mind bringing it sunday? I'm a little sad that the lion crest I ordered is bigger than the top of the great helm I have, and since that one doesn't taper at the top, it might be a better fit. Congrats on the new helm!
Sure, I can bring it along for some show-and-tell. This helm is a little early for putting crests, but not by much.
I think the crest size will work OK on your helm, you just need a good torse to hide the transition point. :)
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Sir Edward, where'd you get that helm? Its a pretty!
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It's from here:
http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-4020-great-helm-french-md-306.aspx (http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-4020-great-helm-french-md-306.aspx)
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i like that a lot. well worth the money if you ask me. any inside shots of it by chance? (wanna see how its constructed etc.)
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Wow, that's really nice looking...head and shoulders above some of their previous offerings.
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Insides of the helm:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3311.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3311b.jpg)
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Nice new helm, I like it a lot. Can't wait to see your kit when it's complete.
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wow the front 2 pieces are 1 piece just dished. cool. i like it. take a pic with it on in your Teutonic gear
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I love that helm and have been coveting it on that website for quite a while. Nice acquisition!
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I gotta check them out...its been a while.
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Jess Finley (Fuhlen Designs) is just finishing up my new gambeson. I'll be picking it up tonight.
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wow awesome.
1 think concerns me. the buttons might get caught on the mail. I would have maybe gone with a point closure method but yours looks great man. how much did she charge if you don't mind me asking? I would love to have one some day..... some day ehhehe.
can she make add on mittens with a slit in the palm? maybe have them tie onto the aketon etc?
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Wow, that one's a beaut, Sir Edward. Looks tre comfortable too.
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I'm not too concerned about the buttons, they're fairly wide. But we'll see how it goes. Part of what I'm going to be doing is having a front-closure for the hauberk, so if it comes to it, I'll put a leather backing on the hauberk there.
I hadn't really thought about tie-on mittens, but I'm sure she could do it (and she's usually pretty excited to try new things).
She charged me her normal gambeson price ($350), but I think she said she'd discount it a bit since she ran past her time estimates (it's a month late now).
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Huzzah and congratulations on your sweet new acquisition! :)
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coolness, can you tell us the materials used? how thick? machine stitched quilting?
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Natural linen, and I think she used cotton padding. Machine stitched, yes.
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Very nice Sir Ed and well cut too.
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That's exactly what Ulrich needs...
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Congrats Sir Ed, get some good pics when you get it home!
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Well, it'll be a few more days. She made the sleeves too tight, so she's going to rework it.
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Looks really good! :)
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That's the awesome thing with somebody local - sleeves too tight? Get it adjusted without a month (and cost) of shipping back and forth. Congrats on the new gear. :)
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Very nice, Sir Edward. On topic, here's some of my gambesons.
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That's the awesome thing with somebody local - sleeves too tight? Get it adjusted without a month (and cost) of shipping back and forth. Congrats on the new gear. :)
Exactly! She re-did the sleeves from scratch, since they need to be bigger (and she did the work after I was there that night, it sounds like), and she said there was enough material in the seams to widen the body a little too. The plan is to get it from her tomorrow night in class at VAF.
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I recognize the black GDFB one, Dane, but who made the yellow and navy one?
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I recognize the black GDFB one, Dane, but who made the yellow and navy one?
medieval-fightclub.com
Based out of Australia. It's a nice quality for $130.00 USD. It had the look I wanted without custom-order.
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Ok, I thought I'd seen it before...they have an ebaY store. How's the fit?
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Ok, I thought I'd seen it before...they have an ebaY store. How's the fit?
Large fits me fine. It's very comfortable. I use it as attire for squires in my SCA group.
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Jess got done with my gambeson/aketon. It's still a little snug in places (elbow, armpit), but it's not restrictive in combat moves, and I can raise my arms without the body lifting.
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3549.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3549b.jpg)
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3550.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3550b.jpg)
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3551.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3551b.jpg)
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Looks good Sir Edward. A snug waist belt keeps it from riding up if that problem exists when you lift your arms up. Worked good on my gambeson when I had that problem.
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Wow! That looks great! Are you going to wear armor over it? - Almost a shame to grunge-ify it but combined with tailored maille you will be very comfortable in your harness! :)
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Wow, that turned out great! My understanding is the snugness in the arms is what helps keep the body from raising when you lift your arms (snug as compared to the cut of a T-shirt, at least). Unless there is something called the 'grand aissette' (I've butchered the spelling...), which is how the Revival gambesons are, with that "circular" cut look to the sleeves.
Congratulations on the new gambeson! Now the question is ... will the first thing to grungify it be the mail, or Sir Brian and I with our grubby gauntlets?
Also, I do notice a distinct lack of green on it. Perhaps that can be taken care of at next Friday's event... :D
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...Also, I do notice a distinct lack of green on it. Perhaps that can be taken care of at next Friday's event... :D
Hey thanks for reminding me that I need to get some green tape for my blade Sir James! Also does this mean you'll definitely be going next Friday? :)
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lol, it already has some blue in it from the chalk marks during the sewing. :)
It's going to go under the riveted hauberk eventually, so I'm sure it'll be pretty grungy eventually. But for now it looks nice and pretty. I am tempted to fight in it on Friday.
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Do it, Sir Edward. It is as nice looking as its going to get, and considerably nicer looking than it soon will be. ;)
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...Also, I do notice a distinct lack of green on it. Perhaps that can be taken care of at next Friday's event... :D
Hey thanks for reminding me that I need to get some green tape for my blade Sir James! Also does this mean you'll definitely be going next Friday? :)
Absolutely! :D
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Looks great!
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You guys get to have all the fun. lol
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Painting shield and kettle helm to use with the Teutonic variant of my kit!
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/i0531.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/i0531b.jpg)
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...Also, I do notice a distinct lack of green on it. Perhaps that can be taken care of at next Friday's event... :D
Hey thanks for reminding me that I need to get some green tape for my blade Sir James! Also does this mean you'll definitely be going next Friday? :)
Now I'm ready to mark up that purty new gambeson of yours Sir Edward! ;D
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Painting shield and kettle helm to use with the Teutonic variant of my kit!
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/i0531.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/i0531b.jpg)
Cool. Going to a crusader type event??
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Now I'm ready to mark up that purty new gambeson of yours Sir Edward! ;D
Doh! :)
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Cool. Going to a crusader type event??
Yep, the Days of Knights event will cover several centuries. I'm trying to get my 1250 Teutonic look together. The kettle helm is something I can switch off with, since I also have the mac-bible great helm too.
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...Also, I do notice a distinct lack of green on it. Perhaps that can be taken care of at next Friday's event... :D
Hey thanks for reminding me that I need to get some green tape for my blade Sir James! Also does this mean you'll definitely be going next Friday? :)
Now I'm ready to mark up that purty new gambeson of yours Sir Edward! ;D
Hahaha ... I'll be keeping score based on the number of colored marks on your opponent, similar to paint ball.
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Horay, Ed! First pics I've seen of you in the gambeson, and I am still pleased with it. It looks better when you're moving in it, though.
Next up: You let me embroider you a fancy-schmancy surcoat. :)
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Next up: You let me embroider you a fancy-schmancy surcoat. :)
Heck yeah! I actually want to have several that I can switch between. Put me in the queue. :)
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DONE, Sir! :)
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Is that Jessica Finley, Fuhlen Designs? A member? Oooo...goody! :) Welcome, milady.
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That's me! :) Thanks, Sir William. Glad to be here, and hope to weigh in here and there.
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wheres the updated pictures Sir Edward?
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In my head. :)
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In my head. :)
sigh... lost forever heeheheh
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That's me! :) Thanks, Sir William. Glad to be here, and hope to weigh in here and there.
I have to say I really admire some of your work...the gambesons you made for Ian and Edward were very attractive, and to hear those two tell it, as comfortable as sin is supposed to be. ;)
In any case, I should like to commission one from you in the future if that was ok.
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Sure, Sir William! Drop me a line at sales@fuhlendesigns.com about what you're needing and we'll get you into the queue right away!
Jess
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Hi Jess, will do as soon as funds permit!
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Painting shield and kettle helm to use with the Teutonic variant of my kit!
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/i0531.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/i0531b.jpg)
Do you know what designs to paint on a shield for the 1250 Teutonic knight kit? Sorta need to know so I can paint mine as well.
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Painting shield and kettle helm to use with the Teutonic variant of my kit!
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/i0531.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/i0531b.jpg)
Do you know what designs to paint on a shield for the 1250 Teutonic knight kit? Sorta need to know so I can paint mine as well.
Try this link to help with your design for your Teutonic shield painting.
http://www.wargametransfers.com/teutonic-knights-13th-cent.html (http://www.wargametransfers.com/teutonic-knights-13th-cent.html)
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I'm just going with a simple black cross.
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I'm using spray paint as well to paint mine as well Gonna use painters tape to make sure I can put the cross on. Don't know how to paint or draw so thats my only option.
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Well, I ended up changing tactics a bit. The helm needed to start over, since the primer didn't stick (I didn't clean enough of the oil off). I sanded it all off, re-primed, and am now hand-brushing the black on.
The shield mostly did OK, but the paint flaked a little at the edges of where I masked the cross, and inside the cross a little. So now I'm going back over the sprays with brush-on paints there too.
I should have both ready for DoK.
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Guess I'll have to use different paint then, though I dont have much time so it's running short.
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I think the sprays are fine, you just have to make sure the surface is super-clean first.
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brake cleaner *might* work well for cleaning as long as it dries first
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On my helm, after a thorough run-over with the wire-wheel on the drill, I wiped it down with rubbing alcohol. Seems good so far.
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Progress:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3622.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3622b.jpg)
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Those look great!! Can't wait to get some shots of the group together all decked out this weekend!
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Progress:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3622.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3622b.jpg)
Looks great Sir Edward. You guys have fun at DoK. :)
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thats nice man! vury cool
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Those look great!! Can't wait to get some shots of the group together all decked out this weekend!
Profile pic looks great too, Sir Ian. :) Banner & tabard do make the armor work. Take plenty of pics.
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That turned out great. We're going to be a great showing at DoK!
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Well those turned out very sharp looking! Well done! :)
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Hand-painted my new shield! No stencils!
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3624.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/weapons/b3624b.jpg)
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wow very cool man. did you use a spray enamel to seal it? killer work.
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Shield looks excellent! Hand painted no less, outstanding job!
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Nice, I painted mine earlier and now am waiting for it to dry, I will be painting the cross on it as well, I may modify it after the event and add 4 Cross pattées on the white areas so it looks a bit less, simple.
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wow very cool man. did you use a spray enamel to seal it? killer work.
Yup, went over it with a clear-coat spray. Pretty happy with how it turned out!
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Hand-painted my new shield! No stencils!
WOW! Great job, and no stencils too? Very nice!
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Looks great, Sir Edward. :) Excellent free-hand job.
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Hand-painted my new shield! No stencils!
WOW! Great job, and no stencils too? Very nice!
Thanks :) What I did was free-hand some pencil outlines, and then paint to those lines. The eraser was needed only 4 or 5 times.
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Well done indeed! :)
...So how is your free-hand with griffons? ;)
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How cartoony do you want it? :)
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How cartoony do you want it? :)
hmm why do I have this sudden sense of dread after you asked that? ??? ;)
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(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050614043831/familyguy/images/7/79/Thechicken.jpg)
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Sir Brian, beware... I wouldn't want a visage of Big Bird to grace the shield I made for you ;)
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Sir Brian, beware... I wouldn't want a visage of Big Bird to grace the shield I made for you ;)
Sir Brian fancies Oscar the Grouch more because of his green color. ;D
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Nicely done, Sir Edward!
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My Teutonic Kit (circa 1250) at Days of Knights this past weekend:
http://ed.toton.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?g=2012.dok-teutonic (http://ed.toton.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?g=2012.dok-teutonic)
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/dok-teutonic/b3625.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/dok-teutonic/b3625b.jpg)
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Wow, you are looking fierce, Sir Edward. Love it!
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That does look great. I will see if I can request one in black.
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Forgot to post the photoshopped copy of the Teutonic kit to this thread. :)
Pic is clicky:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/dok-teutonic/forest-teutonic_480x640.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/dok-teutonic/forest-teutonic.jpg)
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Sir Edward do you have any suggestions on a soft kit from Prussia for this time period. (doing some of my own research but I'm pressed for time with classes and work, and kits for this time period seems to be you cup of tea.)
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That may depend on what you're looking for. If you're going for one of the monastic orders, you can get the GDFB surcoats and cloaks (which is what I used in that last photo), combine it with a linen long-tunic (such as the ones from Revival Clothing), simple shoes, and you're done.
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thank you Sir Edward, :)
I usually do late 1450 to late 1500, so most of my kit(s) don't work with that description, well at least not in their entirety.
much thanks!!!