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Title: Marahal Arms Question
Post by: Timothy on 2013-10-23, 22:44:43

Hello,

Does anybody have the blazon for the Marshal arms? I have had a Marshal banner made for my family collection and the lion rampant seems a little to red.

Thanks

Timothy

Title: Re: Marahal Arms Question
Post by: Sir Douglas on 2013-10-24, 00:47:46

Quote from: Timothy on 2013-10-23, 22:44:43

Does anybody have the blazon for the Marshal arms?

Like the written blazon or an image of it? There's one on the Order of the Marshal's roll of arms: http://orderofthemarshal.org/members/rollofarms/index/ (http://orderofthemarshal.org/members/rollofarms/index/)

Title: Re: Marahal Arms Question
Post by: Timothy on 2013-10-24, 01:55:09

Hello Douglas,

The written blazon. The Arms of the order does seem redder than other I have seen. Some look brownish red.

Thanks

Timothy

Title: Re: Marahal Arms Question
Post by: Sir Douglas on 2013-10-24, 02:37:12

"Per pale or and vert, a lion rampant gules."

Here's another image I found from the Historia Anglorum that portrays it more on the red side, and it's the same color as the red in the de Clare arms on the same page:
http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/ILLUMIN.ASP?Size=mid&IllID=30892 (http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/ILLUMIN.ASP?Size=mid&IllID=30892)

And a better closeup of Marshal's arms: http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/ILLUMIN.ASP?Size=mid&IllID=30926 (http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/ILLUMIN.ASP?Size=mid&IllID=30926)

I know there was technically a brownish-red color that appeared in some later heraldry, but I think the intended color on Marshal's arms was indeed red. :)

Title: Re: Marahal Arms Question
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-10-24, 14:19:43

One thing to keep in mind is that the list of heraldic colors is fairly short, because in the medieval sense, various shades of a color would still be considered to be the main color it resembled. Red variants would not have different names, but rather would just be "red". The red can be vibrant, or more subdued, more brownish, or more burgundy, and in any case it's lumped in with "gules".

Title: Re: Marahal Arms Question
Post by: Timothy on 2013-10-24, 19:54:43

Thanks all. My new banner will then do.

Now I just need  to  hang it.


Timothy

Title: Re: Marahal Arms : John fitzGilbert
Post by: Timothy on 2014-08-24, 16:41:49

Hello  good sirs:

Repost from FB Nick Buckingham

Over the last few months a research group consisting of Elizabeth Chadwick, Marilyn Smith, Peter Meazey, Marsha Lambert, Mary Tutor, Timothy Gallagher, Ky White, Susan Winch to name but a few, have been studying the banners of the Marshal family, and with additional help from the College of Arms and others who are not Facebook members but without whose studious help this would not of been possible. I am extremely proud to announce that these ARE, beyond any reasonable doubt the arms of John FitzGilbert, his son John and descendants thereafter who were Marshals of Ireland.