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Title: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Timothy on 2013-10-21, 03:10:15
Hello.

Has anybody noticed a close affinity between the Boy Scouts Law and the knight’s code? Twelve points in each and they overlap to a great extent. Accident or design?

A Scout is

Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean, and
Reverent.


Order Code:

Truth
Honor
Justice
Valor
Strength
Generosity
Loyalty
Humility
Courtesy
Compassion
Nobility
Franchise   
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Sir Martyn on 2013-10-21, 04:42:45
By design.  Sir Baden Powell (and his U.S. admirers) looked at several historical examples for inspiration on the core values to instill and encourage in young men - including not only the knight's code but also the oath taken by young Athenians.
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-10-21, 13:39:55
Many of them are characteristics of simply being a good person, and will have overlap in other things as well. I was a boy scout as a child, but haven't been for 20 or so years now.
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-10-21, 15:11:44
Quote from: Gareyth on 2013-10-21, 04:42:45
By design.  Sir Baden Powell (and his U.S. admirers) looked at several historical examples for inspiration on the core values to instill and encourage in young men - including not only the knight's code but also the oath taken by young Athenians.

Yep, definitely by design. I was reading something about that not too long ago.
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Timothy on 2013-10-22, 20:18:28
Thanks for the response.

I agree it was by design. I have been a scout or adult scout leader for over 45 year, give or take. I have always been in awe of B-P insight into the minds of young boys and his ability to take a program/manual created at first for military scouts and convert it into a movement for youth.  I agree that they are traits of being a good person but sometimes I think our modern society views them as old-fashioned or even archaic.

Timothy
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Aiden of Oreland on 2013-10-24, 02:24:03
Timothy, it is just like being a gentlemen, now and days people see it as a flirtatious act. It is also that people are not being raised wih these rules and beliefs (or not as many) because we are no longer tought that way. And youth these days can be exposed to stuff that they shouldnt be exposed to till they are at least 18. Which gives them an early rude attitude. Like I havn't played grand theft auto yet which contains sexual content and stronge language, and i heard kid younger than 9 talking about it, and how we can't wait to get back on it. I think it comes down to the internet and parents that let people not be "chivalres" and honestly it shouldnt just be knights but all should really be like the boy scouts and knights.
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Timothy on 2013-10-24, 19:58:51
Sir Aiden, Agree.

To bad the genie can not be put back in the bottle. :(

Timothy
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-10-25, 00:15:23
lol i have a Tiger Cub right now lol lil knight
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-10-25, 06:45:58
Quote from: Sir Wolf on 2013-10-25, 00:15:23
lol i have a Tiger Cub right now lol lil knight

Next thing you know, he's Sir Wee-below.  ;D
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2013-10-25, 18:09:35
I actually have a patch for Western Martial Arts a local troup gave the SCA when we did a demo up in Dog Valley a while back.
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Sir Martyn on 2013-10-28, 21:03:14
They have a patch for WMA/HEMA now?  Cool.  Is that a merit badge?

Must admit will always have a soft spot in my heart for Scouting (yep, Eagle here).

Unfortunately, unlike Sir Wolf, my female-only progeny limits my present options, but I regualrly take them camping :)
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2013-10-30, 04:53:07
Quote from: Gareyth on 2013-10-28, 21:03:14
They have a patch for WMA/HEMA now?  Cool.  Is that a merit badge?


Mine was given out to the local SCA chapter for helping out at that  event. IIRC it was a one time thing.
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: LionPride32 on 2013-11-27, 14:52:10
When I was in the Marine Corps, my fellow Marines would always say that the Marines were like modern-day Spartans....a bold thought, no doubt, but I always considered Marines to be modern day KNIGHTS. Along with the USMC core values - Honor, Courage and Commitment, everything else on the code you have in this group could be applied to being a Marine. Or any branch of the service. And even if you're not in the service these values apply to anyone who hols themselves to the highest level of personal standard and conduct.

Anyone agree?
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Sir Martyn on 2013-12-01, 23:40:55
Absolutely.  In fact, you could argue I think one basic criteria of comparison is what groups are even willing to adhere to any kind of code today - to place it above themselves, even at personal peril?  Increasingly a rare thing these days.
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Sir Nate on 2013-12-02, 00:59:30
There is only 1 answer to this.
All cubs scouts are being secretly trained in our ways.
Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Timothy on 2014-01-06, 18:55:17
Sir Nate,

We can only hope that is true.

Title: Re: Order Code and Scout Law?
Post by: Sir Nate on 2014-01-09, 20:45:27
Quote from: Timothy on 2014-01-06, 18:55:17
Sir Nate,

We can only hope that is true.



We'll just have someone on the forums make there son Join it and gain info.