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Main => The Round Table => Topic started by: Sir Omera on 2013-03-18, 19:48:53
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The original hebraic named of 'Satan' means 'accuser'. Muslims associate anything 'satan' as evil, meaning if you were caught being an infidel, a muslim may tell you "Be banished back to the depths you satans!", but this is where the meaning of the word is lost.
Satan was far from an agent of evil, and originally his job was to judge men after death to see whether they would be permitted to enter heaven or not.
I've presented a radical view for a chivalry forum, and here I will tell about myself.
I'm a satanist. I'm 19, live on my own with a LuciFARIAN (think Luciferianism as in enlightenment, than FARIAN as in Rasta). I work, and pay bills. I do not sit in my SSI sponge mother's basemen hexing people at a black candle. An assumed role of justice is taken when black magick is needed, and people have been beat and sent to jail for bothering me (by other, unaffiliated people- Nergal dislikes crackhead ghetto school bullies, and I'm sure the underworld slavemaster god of fucking people up had no problem performing the task- get back in line, -peasant-.)
I'm a Satanist, but I believe in god, for the prescribed reason above. The world is too complex, and too intricate, and too beautiful for us to say god doesn't exist, even if he is merely our creation supposed to have created us. In my eyes, gushes of blood in the midst of war, severed heads mounted on pikes of a tyrannical lord of the estate, are equally as beautiful parts of nature as insights of compassion on psychedelics, or meditatively seeing a unity that can't be described in words, and known best summed up as 'beauty'.
But people have forgotten the necessary virtue of Severity. They've also forgotten the virtue which took us from barbarism to civilization- Empire (whether through economics or force, and yes I consider this a personal name for a personal virtue despite empire being a noun). Too much talk of peace is done while just enough of the world doesn't care and wants to drop nuclear warheads on their neighbors. Too much talk of charity, when most of these charities are untrue to where their funds go. Mankind has forgotten that he is a warrior. Mankind has forgotten that life is war, and so he seeks to end the cycle of life by ending war, and this can mean only one thing: Everybody dies, ensuring that war no longer exists.
I am pro feminist, the devil is a gentleman.
I believe in order.
I believe in the Law, whatever the truth of the Law may be.
That is all for now.
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Hey there, welcome to the forum!
I should note that discussions of religion in general are considered "off topic" and beyond the scope of this forum (politics are in this category too, as an aside). However, as an introduction of yourself, or within the scope of how it relates to chivalry or knights is certainly permissible. I just want to point this out again to everyone so that replies and further discussion in this thread can be kept within the bounds of what the forum permits.
On the topic at hand, I think you'll find that your particular take on things may be in the minority here. However it certainly isn't lost on folks, that as warriors, knights and by extension Chivalry, are deeply entwined with mortality and the taking of lives. As C.S. Lewis put it, chivalry demands both ferocity and meekness, in full measure.
One of the more compelling recruitment tools during the Crusades was the idea that by taking a pilgrimage to the holy land, or serving in the crusades, could serve as a form of absolution for your prior deeds. Many knights were conflicted about being both a good Christian, and a killer, and so it was desirable to seek absolution.
How these historical elements become reflected in a modern sense of chivalry is part of the challenge, to interpret it into the modern world in a meaningful way while still preserving the spirit in which it was created.
EDIT: One thing that I will add is that personally, it seems that satanism is directly at odds with Chivalry. Am I correct in that it primarily is about doing what you want to do, what compels you personally? Chivalry is more about doing what is right for others.
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I don't propose to know whats 'true'. I might be closer to the attitude of the more tyrannical knights, the bossy, arrogant, law-enforcing type.
It doesn't matter to me, Knights are just inspiring. And like occultism, like satanism, the source of the path is what inspires you to go on the path.
I'll probably meditate on virtues, some of my own making.I'll probably structure it to something relevantly occult, such as Mercy/Severity on the tree of life, and devise rituals for the goal of attaining them in the spirit.
I used to be a stereotypical 'black magick' kiddy and moved on to the higher goals of transcendence and getting money.
Many say money is the 'root of all evil', but a nation without money is called third world, and evil things happen there. They have less than other countries, and are constantly troubled with internal strife. Nobody wants to invade them, usually, because they have nothing worth invading for.
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"One thing that I will add is that personally, it seems that satanism is directly at odds with Chivalry. Am I correct in that it primarily is about doing what you want to do, what compels you personally? Chivalry is more about doing what is right for others."
Yes, I too am really wondering about this.
Welcome. I myself am Roman Catholic, so we will probably find ourselves at opposite ends of most viewpoints, though I hope it would have no bearing on natural and good civility and reasonable discourse.
Principally, you seem to think that to be both strong and truly Christian is irreconcilable. I at one time struggled with my beliefs, and my desire to be powerful and strong. Knighthood and Chivalry is the joining, the marriage if you will, of those two concepts. To be strong for strength's sake is to lord it over others, but to hold strength with the oath, and commitment to use it for good, is a noble thing, and the idea at the core of Knighthood.
And the teachings of the Church are that Satan was the highest of God's creation, but he rebelled against God when he would not serve man, as part of God's plan. For that, Satan and his dark angels here cast into hell, where they seek to ruin and take with them to hell as many men as possible before the final judgment.
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And like occultism, like satanism, the source of the path is what inspires you to go on the path.
He who walks the Path simply to reach the Source has missed the entire point of the Path from the very first step of the journey.
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Welcome!
Jewish Atheist here.
I choose to walk the Path because I know I can choose not to.
(BTW history-wise the word "Ba'al" was an ancient god from a neighboring pantheon and became slang in Hebrew for "the other". Thusly Odin, Ganesh, Thunderbird, & Raiden would also be "Ba'al".)
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Principally, you seem to think that to be both strong and truly Christian is irreconcilable. I at one time struggled with my beliefs, and my desire to be powerful and strong. Knighthood and Chivalry is the joining, the marriage if you will, of those two concepts. To be strong for strength's sake is to lord it over others, but to hold strength with the oath, and commitment to use it for good, is a noble thing, and the idea at the core of Knighthood.
Completely agreed here. "Core" is just the right word too. It's not about showing strength or ferocity for their own sake, but for the right cause. And to temper these with meekness where appropriate.
For a really great description of this, C.S.Lewis wrote an essay called "The Necessity of Chivalry", which you can read through Google-Books:
The Necessity of Chivalry (http://books.google.com/books?id=0QlI-Sn-euIC&lpg=PA13&ots=bFcOXpqUdV&dq=the%20necessity%20of%20chivalry%20cs%20lewis%20present%20concerns&pg=PA13#v=onepage&q=the%20necessity%20of%20chivalry%20cs%20lewis%20present%20concerns&f=false)
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Greetings. Welcome to the forum. As I personally do not judge people for their views, beliefs, and/or practices ... I share in Sir Nathan's sentiments on how they reflect on one's morality and character. I am far from anyone to talk about being the most ideal person, it is our good nature that reflects our humanity and tends to decide what actions we take in regards to life. Perfecting oneself in a knightly manner means to self-improve in every aspect of yourself and tends to not be limited. But it should at least be a reflection of ideals that exemplify you in the eyes of others in a good sense of decency.
Goodwill, respect, fairness, etc are traits guided by your upbringing, beliefs, and person you are. Words and actions in contrast to one' s beliefs make a person 'hypocritical' or a 'liar' but in sync, make you consistent and truthful about yourself. I have seen both sides of this from my own self-reflection and what I do in life dealing with others. You are judged by the actions you take which will also decide if your deeds are in fact by virtue 'chivalrous'. Those in this forum attempt to reflect these ideals.
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Welcome to the site, Omera. Had some questions.
I'm a satanist. I'm 19, live on my own with a LuciFARIAN (think Luciferianism as in enlightenment, than FARIAN as in Rasta). I work, and pay bills. I do not sit in my SSI sponge mother's basemen hexing people at a black candle. An assumed role of justice is taken when black magick is needed, and people have been beat and sent to jail for bothering me
This interests me- how did they bother you and how were they served? Also, it seems you have little respect for your mother; I find that troubling to say the least, but to each their own.
I'm a Satanist, but I believe in god, for the prescribed reason above. The world is too complex, and too intricate, and too beautiful for us to say god doesn't exist, even if he is merely our creation-
When presenting opinions, it is best if you describe it as such, if only so as not to appear a charlatan. Besides, if God is merely a creation, then by that logic so is Lucifer and all the rest. Interesting, that.
In my eyes, gushes of blood in the midst of war, severed heads mounted on pikes of a tyrannical lord of the estate, are equally as beautiful parts of nature as insights of compassion on psychedelics, or meditatively seeing a unity that can't be described in words, and known best summed up as 'beauty'.
So...wanton brutality compares to an ecstatic high achieved by the use of hallucinogenics? That's not necessarily an interesting idea, but it serves as a beacon into what drives you as a human being.
But people have forgotten the necessary virtue of Severity. They've also forgotten the virtue which took us from barbarism to civilization- Empire (whether through economics or force, and yes I consider this a personal name for a personal virtue despite empire being a noun). Too much talk of peace is done while just enough of the world doesn't care and wants to drop nuclear warheads on their neighbors. Too much talk of charity, when most of these charities are untrue to where their funds go. Mankind has forgotten that he is a warrior. Mankind has forgotten that life is war, and so he seeks to end the cycle of life by ending war, and this can mean only one thing: Everybody dies, ensuring that war no longer exists.
Tell us, if you would- what is your world experience? By that I mean- what have you yourself experienced, beyond anything you might have read or heard on tv?
I am pro feminist, the devil is a gentleman.
I believe in order.
I believe in the Law, whatever the truth of the Law may be.
You say in the beginning that the meaning behind Satan is lost on us, as it is now just a synonym for evil and yet- you use a descriptor that seems to impart said view despite your stating otherwise. A notable word choice, lets call it. And let us visit the italicized remark- that the devil is a gentleman. How could you know that? What makes you think so? Unless of course, you are using it to describe yourself- the qualifying remark being that you are pro-feminist OR you are approaching it from the standpoint that Lucifer is just another construct in which case he can be however you want him to be but it begs the question- what do you truly believe in?
You mention that you believe in the law, whatever the truth of the law might be- tyrants have used much the same ideology to catastrophic effect; you might be familiar with the term 'just following orders' - I imagine you might since that is in effect what you are espousing here. That is, regardless of the law, or its justice (or lack thereof), you believe in it- and most likely will follow along because of said belief. Does that make you free-thinking as it seems you would like to be considered, or an automaton free of the concerns of man with regard to thought, action and consequence? The Nazis aspired to the same principles...that they also dabbled in the black arts is probably of no surprise to you, is it?
Me, I'd rather rely on my intellect and wit to know the right and wrong of a situation, rather than having it spoonfed to me by someone else, be they terrestrial or otherworldy in origin; but that is just me. Nice to have met you.
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Welcome Good Sir To The Forum.
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Welcome!
Torah Observant Christian (or referred as Messianic Jew) here. Any questions in regards to this, PM me.
On the topic at hand, I think you'll find that your particular take on things may be in the minority here. However it certainly isn't lost on folks, that as warriors, knights and by extension Chivalry, are deeply entwined with mortality and the taking of lives. As C.S. Lewis put it, chivalry demands both ferocity and meekness, in full measure.
I agree and that is the commonality in which this Brotherhood is established.
Principally, you seem to think that to be both strong and truly Christian is irreconcilable. I at one time struggled with my beliefs, and my desire to be powerful and strong. Knighthood and Chivalry is the joining, the marriage if you will, of those two concepts. To be strong for strength's sake is to lord it over others, but to hold strength with the oath, and commitment to use it for good, is a noble thing, and the idea at the core of Knighthood.
Sir Nathan speaks Truth here and I also attest this as well. Knighthood and Chivalry are complimentary to my beliefs without any adding or negating any set viewpoint or perspective.
And the teachings of the Church are that Satan was the highest of God's creation, but he rebelled against God when he would not serve man, as part of God's plan. For that, Satan and his dark angels here cast into hell, where they seek to ruin and take with them to hell as many men as possible before the final judgment.
This can also be found in the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek Texts as well.
Putting aside religious beliefs, if Honor is the common bridge in which we all can understand and respect each other, then I see no problem.
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"Putting aside religious beliefs, if Honor is the common bridge in which we all can understand and respect each other, then I see no problem. "
Amen to that, Sir Joshua! Well spoken!
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Do you look at your belief as Mordred to King Authur, Phillipe le Bel and the Templars, Ivan IV and the Kievians, the crudasing Orders v the 'heretics' (and there are many different things that could cause this to occur)?
THAT young Sir is what is forming your opinion.
In the first, hatred.
In the second, greed
In the third, malice and distrust
In the last fervor (good or ill)
In my 5 plus decades on this earth, I have found most of the 'satanists' (small s) are looking for a was to make a statement (much like the 'Occupy' movements), while the large S 'Satanists' are truely twisted individuals.
The medival view of 'Satan' was 'loosely' based on Attila the Hun, also know as "The Scourge of God".
The opponent of God (Jehovah) in the Old Testament was Lucifer, an angel who was cast from God's pressence for attempting to usurp God's authority.
JRR Tolkien used a similar allegory in The Silmarillion. Melkor plays the part of 'Lucifer'.
fwiw, this comes from a lasped Lutheran.
Might is not always right, but right is ;)
Mods, if I have stepped over the acceptable boundries, please feel free to edit or delete the entire post as you will.
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You're fine for now. :)
I am keeping a close eye on this thread though. I'll step in when I need to.
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Seems the Original Poster hasn't been on since 3/18...anyone think he'll be back?
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Seems the Original Poster hasn't been on since 3/18...anyone think he'll be back?
Good question. Perhaps we are not what he's looking for? Perhaps he had a bit of wind and simply lost his Web connection?
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Seems the Original Poster hasn't been on since 3/18...anyone think he'll be back?
Good question. Perhaps we are not what he's looking for? Perhaps he had a bit of wind and simply lost his Web connection?
Probably just needed to adjust the tin-foil on his head for better connection.
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Putting all kidding aside, and reading through his original points, he represents in my humble opinion why modern orders of chivalry are needed more today than ever. I am a Reverend in the Universal Life Ministries. I seek to accept all faith and find the commonality in all. I believe that there is good in all people and religion as well as great potential for evil. I have seen darkness in my 42 years of life that can only be described as evil and deamons. There is so much anger, and angst in the youth of today. Its fed by politicians, media, a failed education system and loss of a family structure. The greatest evils are always attempting to veil themselves with the appearence of good and justice. Just as Creation appears to all in a way that makes us the most comfortable, it's reasonable that evil too can appear any guise. It's sad that this individual chooses to embrace the darkest emotions of humanity as virtuous. That he mentions bringing harm to those who have crossed him in the past with the Black Arts, and finds beauty in what others would call attrocities of war. As knights I feel it is important to respect others, but to also accept and recognize evil where it is found and fight it with whatever means necessary, be it with honest discussion and debate, with verbal agressiveness, with the sword when necessary, and last but not least understanding, prayer, and setting the example.
Thou shalt respect the weak and constitute thyself the defender of them
Thou shalt love the land to which thou hast sworn fealty
Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemies
Thou shalt make war upon evil without cessassion
Thou shalt scrupulously perform thy noble duties be they not contrary to the laws of the land
Thou shalt be generous and give freely to others
Thou shalt never lie and always be true to thy word
Thou shalt ever and always be the defender of the good and right angainst injustice and evil
This is the code to which i have sworn an oath, I fail from time to time to live up to it, but I swear I will never stop trying to.
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I am a Reverend in the Universal Life Ministries. I seek to accept all faith and find the commonality in all. I believe that there is good in all people and religion as well as great potential for evil.
That is a balanced viewpoint and I have no problem with that since you have good intentions.
Thou shalt respect the weak and constitute thyself the defender of them
Thou shalt love the land to which thou hast sworn fealty
Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemies
Thou shalt make war upon evil without cessassion
Thou shalt scrupulously perform thy noble duties be they not contrary to the laws of the land
Thou shalt be generous and give freely to others
Thou shalt never lie and always be true to thy word
Thou shalt ever and always be the defender of the good and right angainst injustice and evil
Gautier eh? Not bad of code choice. Here is a Code I live by and it perfectly describes the religious aspects of Chivalry itself.
(http://www.arrethtrae.com/images/CodePoster.jpg)
his is the code to which i have sworn an oath, I fail from time to time to live up to it, but I swear I will never stop trying to.
We all do likewise, mistakes and rising again form our mistakes is proof of our humanity and willingness to go the extra mile to carve legacies that will be passed down from heirs, children, students and other Squires of the Order and those from outside the Order.
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True words Sirs Joshua and Steven.
As a Catholic, and a Knight who finished his Accolade being called to "Rise as a Soldier of God" I too know that we must fight blatant, and indirect evil, wherever it may lie.
Though as one who at a point in his life walked through a darkness (though I never fell as to rebuke Christ in favor of evil) I can understand how many youth feel. For a large majority of them, they have simply lost the path. For all of my generation's many faults and failings, most of them are not truly evil. Many suffer from simple misunderstanding. Sir Omera (the original poster, for those late to the thread) seems to seek strength, and has given up on the moral basis for rightful possession of it.
Perhaps he could have been shown the great strength of goodness, perhaps he was reaching in the right direction by speaking to us about it.
Anyway, to cut to the chase, I believe that the most good can be done through speaking to those lost, showing them what they've been missing through logic and reason.
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Well said Sir. Nathan.
The Role of a Knight is very much a Role Model, probably moreso than a judge. I too have walked upon what many have said would have been dark, self destructive paths. My family and my code, and as time goes on more and more, my own faith help keep me grounded. One of the requirements for joining the Order to which i belong is a need for the Order in the individual's lives. I see day in and day out more of the failings of today's society can be directly tied back to the loss, some would even say the deliberate destruction, of those very things that make men and women strong and "grounded". Unfortunately where chaos exists, it's easy for evil in its many forms to offer what appears to be order.
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I will never Hide what I am, I worship as my ancestors did. I am a Celtic Pagan, and I follow the path of the Druid. I hate no man or woman or their beliefs. I strive to better myself and grow in wisdom, wisdom I will gladly share with anyone. I have studied Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hindi, and many other esoteric religions and beliefs, including leVayin Satanism. They all have their wisdom they espouse, to disregard something wise simply because it comes from a different source is folly. On that note this young man may or may not know what he wants from life. But I assure you money will not make you happy, I make good money, and it has nothing to do with my happiness.
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Tristin, you mentioned in another thread that you're of Spanish ancestry? I did not know that Celtic Pagans had spread to Spain- can you tell us more?
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Of course my friend, at one time before Christianity Celtic faith had spread from Ireland and Scotland to Spain and all the way east to Poland, just recently some Celtic ruins were found in Poland. and the ruins in Spain are well documented. Celtic faith is a religion and culture not a race as many believe. While it originated in north west Europe it spread all across the continent at one point.
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That's interesting, I had not known that. Although, come to think of it, I've read mention of Celt-Iberians, which would almost have to mean somewhere in or near the Iberian peninsula, thereby adding more weight to it...
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That's interesting, I had not known that. Although, come to think of it, I've read mention of Celt-Iberians, which would almost have to mean somewhere in or near the Iberian peninsula, thereby adding more weight to it...
Traces of Celtic heritage and artifacts have been found recently in America, Greece, Poland, and other regions of southeastern Europe. I believe it is one of the eldest civilizations and most ancient cultures in the world.
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There have been a few hypothesis that the Celts originated from Atlantis even.
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Really? Can you recall where you read that? I find that extremely interesting to say the least. I suppose it might be considered the first real link to Atlantis beyond all the expository stuff.
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http://celticmythpodshow.com/blog/are-the-celts-really-atlanteans/ (http://celticmythpodshow.com/blog/are-the-celts-really-atlanteans/)
http://www.atlantisquest.com/Bretons.html (http://www.atlantisquest.com/Bretons.html)
http://www.celticnetwork.com/culture/celtic-spirit/atlantis-ireland.html (http://www.celticnetwork.com/culture/celtic-spirit/atlantis-ireland.html)
...So says the great and powerful ‘Google’ ;)
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Though to address Lord Tristan, I don't condemn a religion outright for it's source (though the origin story is a really great way to figure out what that particular religion is all about...) but mostly what it produces and brings forth from it's followers.
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Actually Atlantis has recently been found. the national geographic channel found the ruins of the city buried underneath sand. it is off the coast of southern Spain. Over thousands of years the sand buried the city, choking it's water trade routes, and it was abandoned. The city is composed of several concentric rings with a large temple in the middle. Just as Plato explained it in the only known writing mentioning Atlantis. Iknow there is a great deal of myth surrounding Atlantis, however the city was nothing more than a port city in the Mediterranean. Although it was one of the first true cities in the world.
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CROM!
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Actually Atlantis has recently been found. the national geographic channel found the ruins of the city buried underneath sand. it is off the coast of southern Spain. Over thousands of years the sand buried the city, choking it's water trade routes, and it was abandoned. The city is composed of several concentric rings with a large temple in the middle. Just as Plato explained it in the only known writing mentioning Atlantis. Iknow there is a great deal of myth surrounding Atlantis, however the city was nothing more than a port city in the Mediterranean. Although it was one of the first true cities in the world.
There goes my hope of crystal-powered hover cars and suits of armor! :(
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Also to go along with Tristin...there are too many similarities between the celts and modern Christianity to not think that they in some way coincide with one another...the color schemes, the candles burning, the incense, the bale fires. All of these things are together as one...just something to think about.
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Many of the Christian traditions were adapted by the catholic church to coincide with Celtic traditions so that the Celtic faith could be slowly wiped out. The festivals were turned into saints day, winter solstice became christmas and summer solstice became easter. because of their vies on the dead all hallows eve repalced the holy day of Samhain (pronounced Sau-wen)
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Many of the Christian traditions were adapted by the catholic church to coincide with Celtic traditions so that the Celtic faith could be slowly wiped out. The festivals were turned into saints day, winter solstice became christmas and summer solstice became easter. because of their vies on the dead all hallows eve repalced the holy day of Samhain (pronounced Sau-wen)
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qft?
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quoted for truth
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dont think of it as wiped out, but as all inclusive. many early catholic churches put their churches on holy sites and used green man or mother nature references in the art and sculpture as to "attract" the culture that they were trying to minister to. i had an "non western" history professor that went on for days about this :)
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I honestly believe that human beings of any spiritual belief or religious tradition can get along in peace - if they truly wish it. I think that all too often when we see violence based on religious views we are actually seeing the acts of people who tend towards the chaotic or depraved regardless of whatever religion they might follow.
I tend to see this as an evolutionary process whereby eventually the ones who are unbalanced will be weeded out of the gene pool - largely through their own malicious handiworks - and those who are more balanced and enlightened will move forward in a good way.
In the way I walk balance is seen as being very sacred: Balance in nature, in self and in spirit. One can see the sacred balance everywhere in nature - it is not that difficult for a reasoning being to determine what will or will not spin things out of balance.
In my life I have met a good number of dark-siders. Not all of them are self absorbed power seekers: Some are indeed agents of a different side of nature who contribute to the great cycle of life in their own secretive ways. Yet, lately a substantial number of the self-declared dark-siders I have met are usually quite young and very frustrated with the world. This saddens me because I see our youth and children as being the future of this world. There are already enough twisted, angry people out there - and many of these are in positions of power and do great damage. The hatred is the worst part, for as my old Master once taught me: "Hatred serves only itself."
I feel the the best way to deal with this when we are faced with such is to educate when we can and live by example.
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In conjunction with the others on here, of which it is sad to say, I'm astounded at the respect shown to everyone who has posted on this topic, that a student in one of my classes said, "We're all at a campfire, and we see different flames from differing perspectives, but it's the same campfire."
On that note, I'm cradle raised Irish Roman Catholic. Yep. If I miss Mass on Sunday, I feel guilty. I went to a military school, then a Catholic High School, and almost went to a Catholic university as well, both before and after my time in the military.
On that note though, the crusaders going on crusade to absolve their sins, I can definitely relate to. To be a follower of faith, any faith, and be a hunter of men, is a hard thing indeed.
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Ah, so now I don't have to be the official forum Catholic Apologist anymore? ;)
I'm a cradle Catholic too, with an Irish-Italian family (but I take after my mother's German family)
Concerning Church and pagan holidays on the same day, it really makes sense. You see, when you don't have a specific day for events, (though Christmas got Dec 25th because it was 9 months after the annunciation.) or Saints days to assign, if you will, then why not tailor them to include the local populace? The Church believes that Christ died to save all peoples. And saw nothing wrong with adapting to the local practices of a place to make conversion easier. This is why even today there are a multitude of regional variants within just the Catholic Church, all in communion with Rome.
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I by no means mean to offend or start a religious argument. My point was to simply show how Celtic faith was waned, right or wrong. As far as creating dates for holidays to coincide with other religions to ease conversion, well I will leave that one alone too. My faith prohibits me from converting someone to it. You want to know about my faith, you ask, and i will tell you what you want to know, I will never tell you you are wrong or try to convince you your beliefs are maligned.
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Lord Tristin,
I'm sure I speak for most of us, by no means do I feel you could be starting a religious argument. It's much the same as the trinity being conveyed in the shamrock, or our (Catholics) rosary in conjunction with eastern religions' (I believe Taoism, Zen, and Buddhism all) prayer beads.
I'm a huge fan of looking into "myth" as it is described in anthropology. Be it Catholic, Protestant, Celtic-druidism, Agnostics, Islam, paganism (both neo and classic) or Eastern faiths. All of them are interesting and deserve respect in their own right. Celtic druidism especially as my whole family is Irish or Scot, gaelic one and all.
Sir Nathan, I think you'd still have the "official forum Catholic Apologist" if by any means given through seniority ;) that and after all I've been through, and all I've seen. I'm a believer in Faith, any and all Faith. I personally believe as Catholics do, but I definitely have some animosity towards my personal faith as well.
Lord Tristin, I personally would love to talk with you either in PM or even on these boards (if allowed as it does deal with knightly virtues heavily [Cu'chulainn and Morgan are great examples]) and I'm always willing to learn more. Please don't take anything I've said as malice, as that is the opposite of my intentions.
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I'm a cradle Catholic too, with an Irish-Italian family (but I take after my mother's German family)
Irish-Italian? You must have a good temper on ya with a bloodline like that laddie! ;) :)
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irish italian... you fight with yourself over what to drink next? lol jkjk i jest... it's what i do
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I'm a cradle Catholic too, with an Irish-Italian family (but I take after my mother's German family)
Irish-Italian? You must have a good temper on ya with a bloodline like that laddie! ;) :)
Yes, and the German efficiency and love of warfare to make it dangerous! ;)
Lord Tristan, no religious argument was perceived or intended.
Haha, and Mr Patricius, I don't think I'm senior to anyone here, only being 18. But as one who would fancy himself a devout follower of the Catholic faith, I suppose I will hold on to my job as Catholic Apologist of the forums... :)
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Sir Nathan,
first from what I can tell, you are well above your years from posts I've seen thus far on the forums. I wouldn't have guessed you were a teenager of the current generation. (that part I'm being serious)
Beyond that boyo, you must be pretty fluent in "hand-speak" too right? ;D -as I wave my hands about trying to emphasize my post as it just isn't good enough without hands going everywhere- (that part is jk)
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Sir Nathan, I must say that I had a similar experience to that which Brother Patricius describes - in that I would never have guessed you to be so young (compared to old geezers like me anyway ;)) as you are. Your words tell of a wisdom much greater than your years.
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Thank you good Gentlemen, I merely strive to be the best knight I can be, in all things. I must confess myself that I feel little solidarity within my generation, instead feeling camaraderie among the men of old, and those who follow their ways, as do my friends here on this forum. :)
And Patricius, you know what they say, an Italian with a broken arm is an Italian with a speech impediment. ;)
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lol so does that mean if he has teh shakes form a fever... does he stutter?
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No, the shakes are undetectable amidst the natural Italian movements. Putting an Italian in an armbar gives one a stutter. ;)
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I grew up in an Italian neighborhood, so I hear that ;)
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One time, with my whole family (after a wedding) of over 100 of us in Chicago, we decided that for a minimum of ten minutes, ten minutes, we would try and talk in quieter tones and not use our hands. My cousin, Nancy, probably the most "wish I was born in Ireland" of us, couldn't last! She was using her hands within two minutes! Beyond that, we all started laughing and that took out the volume control! Of course, it being after the wedding celebration, and it being a celebration of one our birthdays, needless to say we were all quite jubilant! ;D
but indeed, it must be construed as a speech impediment to not use your hands. After spending so much time with my family that summer (the whole summer in Chicago, it was awesome) and then going back to high school, I was picked on quite a bit by my friends. It actually took one of my teachers, Brother Acquinas (of the Holy Order of St. Patrick, and born in N. Ireland) to come to my defense! It was the first and only time anyone else realized that great man had a sense of humor!
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No, the shakes are undetectable amidst the natural Italian movements. Putting an Italian in an armbar gives one a stutter. ;)
One of my favorite raps. :)
morris minor and the majors - stutter rap - 45rpm - 1987 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwy-iC5aqEs#)
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I thought that was if you put an Italian in a headlock he stutters. ???
Maybe it was he has breathing difficulty instead. ;D
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Headlocks don't work on Italians. Too greasy. :)
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Headlocks don't work on Italians. Too greasy. :)
:o ROFLMAO ;D touche ;)
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They do if you threaten to mess with the Italian hair-do.
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Nope. Slips right out. Besides, many are slicked back already.
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Nope. Slips right out. Besides, many are slicked back already.
Well, yes, most Italians are pretty slick. ;D Very smooth too if I do say so myself.
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I love the direction this thread took. :)
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Reminds me of a joke I once heard.
How can you tell which part of the Mediterranean a man is from? If his hair is dark and full of body he is from Spain, if his facial hair is thick and full of body he is from southern France, If his chest hair is thick and full of body he is from Italy, if his back hair is thick and full of body he is from Greece!
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I love the direction this thread took. :)
I was wondering what your opinion would be of all this Sir Edward :D nothing alleviates a group of people like a good laugh