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Title: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir William on 2013-02-26, 17:13:34
I had this shield built for me by the fine fellows at Oakheart Armoury; I went with a slightly modified size (for them), 32" x 20", strapped and guiged for a lefty (they got the guige slightly wrong, but Sir James has offered to help me rectify that, thank you Brother); steel edging, canvas overlay, with my coat of arms applied and a padded wrist area.  I also wanted wider straps than the usual 1/2" ones, which they were more than happy to apply for me.  Total price including shipping- $115.00.  Just a couple of pics here.

Front:

(http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/ebonpaladin/ACrecy001_zps753e3754.jpg)

Back:

(http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/ebonpaladin/Armor/ShieldbackBlackKnight_zpsf03623a4.jpg)

Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-02-26, 17:26:38
Excellent! Congratulations on the new acquisition, and we'll get it set up next time you're over.
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir William on 2013-02-26, 17:48:30
Thank you, Brother- I am much obliged.  Although, I'll you- at that price I can put this one up on the wall permanently and carry the other about.  Might just do that...then we can focus on whatever else that needs doing.  Always something, right?
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Ian on 2013-02-26, 18:05:33
Looks spectacular Sir William!  What's it made from?  What did they get wrong on the shoulder strap (I'm not familiar enough to know by looking)?

I think I will be enlisting their services in the future to have one done as well.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir William on 2013-02-26, 18:12:09
Sir Ian, I do believe it is plywood, but not that heavy particle board/pressed material.  It weighs in around 5lbs, and about 1/2" thick- substantial, but not overly so.  They cut and shape the wood to suit their needs and they can add curvature if you're so inclined (I was and am for all my shields).

As for what's wrong- the lower guige strap end should be bolted lower than the arm strap- that way when it hangs on your back it hangs more or less vertically.  The way it is setup now, the shield hangs almost horizontally on my back and is somewhat awkward to pull toward the front in haste.  It does serve the purpose for which it was intended, I just need it to do it in a more aesthetically and practically pleasing manner is all.

As I was saying to Sir James though, at that price I may just put this one up on the wall permanently and have them do another for me.  I also need them to do up a Beausant one as well...something Sir Edward said some time ago stuck with me.  Something about historical accuracy or some such 'nonsense'.  ;)
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Joshua Santana on 2013-02-26, 18:45:43
Well done Sir William!  Looking impressive there!
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-02-26, 19:40:09
Doth mine ears deceiveth me? Did I hear someone just got a shield and wants to buy another?

DO IT!! 8)
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir William on 2013-02-26, 20:18:40
Two shields, actually- a Beausant and another one of this guiged correctly.  Is that a word?  Should be.
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-02-26, 21:33:59
Two shields, actually- a Beausant and another one of this guiged correctly.  Is that a word?  Should be.

Wait, bought one, and buy *two* more? I'm not sure I can contain that level of excitement!

I'm good with guiged. It's official a word now. :D
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir Gerard de Rodes on 2013-02-26, 21:41:51
Very nice Sir William.
G.
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir William on 2013-02-26, 21:45:38
Capital!  Yes two...a Templar should carry the Beausant, as I was set forth by our own illustrious Knight Commander; granted, he was not directly referencing me, however, a comment about historical accuracy w/regard to Templar impersonations was not lost on me so, I've always had that on the back burner.  And I like this shield, the current one we're talking about- who knows, I'll bring it with me anyways.  Maybe drilling a hole and such won't be as big a deal as I'm thinking it'll be.  Or maybe I just need to get that shield remade and hang this one like I said I would, with a couple of crossed longswords behind it- that'll be my main knightly display and I need not worry about the whole weapon rack thing I'd been fantasizing about.

I'm actually going to end up vetting most of my collection on ebaY, at least the decorative stuff as I still have a few good looking but non-usable swords and rather than having them laying about gathering dust, let them go elsewhere and do it.  lol

Sir Gerard, thank you, sir!
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-02-26, 22:01:59

Wow, really nice!
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2013-02-27, 09:22:54
Thats  nice shield, I want to get one now. How did you get the steel edgeing cause I think I just might do the same thing for my Heraldic shield.
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir Brian on 2013-02-27, 14:55:06
That is an awesome shield Sir William and at an excellent price! Congratulations!  :)
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir William on 2013-02-27, 15:50:48
Ulrich, I didn't even know at the time that they could do that til they said so; it cost an extra $10-15 I think; I like it better than the flex-hose or whatever it is they use for SCA combat.

Sir Brian, thank you kindly Brother- I like it much, they did a good job.  Mind you, it isn't as nice as the ones Allan makes- but at a fraction of the price I can live with it.  If Allan were ever persuaded to do another run though, I'd have to get one.  I loved what he did for you guys.
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2013-03-01, 06:31:09
Sent them an email about getting one done. That actually looks a lot nicer than the ones with the hose edges. They did say my coat of arms would take longer to paint on but I hope it comes out well enough. Shapes wise I am going with this one
(http://oakheartarmory.com/uploads/2/7/6/1/2761725/5849386.jpg)
As it seems more pointed at the bottom which I noticed on German effigies the shields were usually triangular shaped.
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2013-03-01, 07:51:58
Nice!

When will you get to test out it's usability? Will there be pics?
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir William on 2013-03-01, 16:17:10
That's the basic shape I use for my shields thus far; going to have them do up a couple more for me.  Make sure you tell them you want the steel edging (or if it is just for show, no edging) - the hose edging is ugly and only useful if you're going to be using it in the SCA as I am not sure they allow steel rimmed shields on the field.
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2013-03-01, 18:46:45
You don't need hose for the edging. That comes from folks choosing convenience over looks. It's just a safety rule to preserve equipment & people on both sides. I use canvas covered rope or rawhide nowadays, but I've seen folks use bare wood that was treated with epoxy, or rounded metal channeling. Even an aspie like me gets that this is about spirit rather than law.

From the West Kingdom Armored Combat Rules:
"Shields shall be edged with leather, padding, or other covering or constructed in such a way as to minimize damage to rattan weapons or other fighters."
----
"No bolts, wires, or other objects may project more than 3/8 inch (9mm) from any part of a shield without being padded. Rounded shield bosses are not considered to be projections, handles, or other forms of hand protection are not included in this category."
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir Gerard de Rodes on 2013-03-01, 18:55:13
You don't need hose for the edging. That comes from folks choosing convenience over looks. It's just a safety rule to preserve equipment & people on both sides. I use canvas covered rope or rawhide nowadays, but I've seen folks use bare wood that was treated with epoxy, or rounded metal channeling. Even an aspie like me gets that this is about spirit rather than law.

From the West Kingdom Armored Combat Rules:
"Shields shall be edged with leather, padding, or other covering or constructed in such a way as to minimize damage to rattan weapons or other fighters."
----
"No bolts, wires, or other objects may project more than 3/8 inch (9mm) from any part of a shield without being padded. Rounded shield bosses are not considered to be projections, handles, or other forms of hand protection are not included in this category."


Agreed, hide is the way to go authentically, and will make you shield last a whole lot longer in combat.
G.
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-03-02, 13:39:20
You don't need hose for the edging. That comes from folks choosing convenience over looks. It's just a safety rule to preserve equipment & people on both sides. I use canvas covered rope or rawhide nowadays, but I've seen folks use bare wood that was treated with epoxy, or rounded metal channeling. Even an aspie like me gets that this is about spirit rather than law.

From the West Kingdom Armored Combat Rules:
"Shields shall be edged with leather, padding, or other covering or constructed in such a way as to minimize damage to rattan weapons or other fighters."
----
"No bolts, wires, or other objects may project more than 3/8 inch (9mm) from any part of a shield without being padded. Rounded shield bosses are not considered to be projections, handles, or other forms of hand protection are not included in this category."


Agreed, hide is the way to go authentically, and will make you shield last a whole lot longer in combat.
G.

But then there would no need to buy new replacement shields, Lord Gerard.  :-\ Being a bunch of shop-a-holics (or spend-your-money-holics), I fail to see the logic in this even if time-period & money-saving. :P LOL
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-03-02, 14:00:02
Two shields, actually- a Beausant and another one of this guiged correctly.  Is that a word?  Should be.

Wait, bought one, and buy *two* more? I'm not sure I can contain that level of excitement!

I'm good with guiged. It's official a word now. :D

Good to know it's now official and not officially. Otherwise, I would feel slightly be-guiged.  :P
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-03-02, 18:30:33
Two shields, actually- a Beausant and another one of this guiged correctly.  Is that a word?  Should be.

Wait, bought one, and buy *two* more? I'm not sure I can contain that level of excitement!

I'm good with guiged. It's official a word now. :D

Good to know it's now official and not officially. Otherwise, I would feel slightly be-guiged.  :P

Hmm. I see what you did there. And what I did there. Whoops. :)
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: SirNathanQ on 2013-03-16, 13:40:46
We're a punny group of Knights....

Great shield Sir William! Yeah, having that guige moved will make a world of difference. On mine, I can almost toss them to the front, or only pass my arm through the rear arm strap, and with the guige around my neck, control the shield with my hand free.
Also there's nothing really that looks more boss hanging off the back of a suit of armour than a well mounted shield in the correct heraldry (except perhaps a military order mantle  ;))
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir William on 2013-03-19, 21:22:24
Two shields, actually- a Beausant and another one of this guiged correctly.  Is that a word?  Should be.

Wait, bought one, and buy *two* more? I'm not sure I can contain that level of excitement!

I'm good with guiged. It's official a word now. :D

Good to know it's now official and not officially. Otherwise, I would feel slightly be-guiged.  :P

This, from the man who repeatedly fires off his responses to the wrong person is giving grammar lessons.  It is a new world, gents.  lol
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-03-19, 21:30:30
Two shields, actually- a Beausant and another one of this guiged correctly.  Is that a word?  Should be.

Wait, bought one, and buy *two* more? I'm not sure I can contain that level of excitement!

I'm good with guiged. It's official a word now. :D

Good to know it's now official and not officially. Otherwise, I would feel slightly be-guiged.  :P

This, from the man who repeatedly fires off his responses to the wrong person is giving grammar lessons.  It is a new world, gents.  lol
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Ahhhh, touché Sir William. I guess I'll just have to add you to my hammer list. :P lol
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-03-19, 23:04:22
Two shields, actually- a Beausant and another one of this guiged correctly.  Is that a word?  Should be.

Wait, bought one, and buy *two* more? I'm not sure I can contain that level of excitement!

I'm good with guiged. It's official a word now. :D

Good to know it's now official and not officially. Otherwise, I would feel slightly be-guiged.  :P

This, from the man who repeatedly fires off his responses to the wrong person is giving grammar lessons.  It is a new world, gents.  lol
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Ahhhh, touché Sir William. I guess I'll just have to add you to my hammer list. :P lol

And messing up syntax on quoting of replies, so that the reply ends up in the quote too!

Am I on the hammer list now too?
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-03-19, 23:11:07
Two shields, actually- a Beausant and another one of this guiged correctly.  Is that a word?  Should be.

Wait, bought one, and buy *two* more? I'm not sure I can contain that level of excitement!

I'm good with guiged. It's official a word now. :D

Good to know it's now official and not officially. Otherwise, I would feel slightly be-guiged.  :P

This, from the man who repeatedly fires off his responses to the wrong person is giving grammar lessons.  It is a new world, gents.  lol
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Ahhhh, touché Sir William. I guess I'll just have to add you to my hammer list. :P lol

And messing up syntax on quoting of replies, so that the reply ends up in the quote too!

Am I on the hammer list now too?

Least my mistakes are consistent within given forum parameters. :) Always room on the hammer list, Good Sirs. :) We'll just save that for fun at the next Order outing. ;)
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: SirNathanQ on 2013-03-20, 00:21:54
So I see now that almost half of our knights can engage in the hammer-related puns hereabouts too?
Welcome aboard gents.... :P 
Title: Re: Shield of the Black Knight of the Order of the Marshal
Post by: Sir William on 2013-03-20, 18:05:12
We'll just have to call him 'Anvil' from that point on, eh? :)