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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Ulrich on 2013-02-14, 20:55:27
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I decided it's time to tailor my new maille. I just used twist ties to start tailoring my maille by measuring it. Anyone got any suggestions on how to do it?
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Thats how it measures out, should I just tie ONE arm and use the same measurements for the other one? I am starting to think I should do them separately but meh my folks have little patience for measuring it out for me despite me being unable to do it myself due to the fact I only have one arm.
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The main thing is to make sure you can still bend your arm OK. It looks about right to me though. I'd tie up the second one (you can base this on the measurements of the first one), and then double-check that you can still move. Sometimes when you bend an arm, it can pull the body over a little, so make sure you can bend both arms at the same time.
Once you're happy, you can work on it on a table in front of your TV. I'll help the time go by. :) You'll just cut the section out that you tied off. If you can, try to do the diagonal cut evenly. That is, you'll go straight for some number of rings (3 to 8 probably) between each row-change. Count how many rings vertically versus how many horizontally will need to come out, and try to divide it up evenly so you get as straight of a cut as you can.
Once you have the strip out from one arm, close that arm up with the new links, and try it on again before cutting/closing the second arm. If you've made a mistake, it's best to catch it now.
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I think you're onto something with the twist ties- I'd cut a row or two beneath the tie so that you have some room to work with, then you can start putting in your links and riveting them shut. Just be sure that you have enough material left over so you can move your arms comfortably; get the full bend of your elbow so you can see how much you'll need- the ties at the inside of your elbow may pull apart but that'll be ok as you'll know it might have been too tight otherwise. Do it a bit at a time and then try it on to make sure its a good fit. Always err on the side of caution, so make it slightly bigger than you think you'll need. You will want that extra room as you'll need to be able to get your arms and hands through it cleanly.
Ah, got ninja'd by Sir Edward. ;)
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I think you're onto something with the twist ties- I'd cut a row or two beneath the tie so that you have some room to work with, then you can start putting in your links and riveting them shut. Just be sure that you have enough material left over so you can move your arms comfortably; get the full bend of your elbow so you can see how much you'll need- the ties at the inside of your elbow may pull apart but that'll be ok as you'll know it might have been too tight otherwise. Do it a bit at a time and then try it on to make sure its a good fit. Always err on the side of caution, so make it slightly bigger than you think you'll need. You will want that extra room as you'll need to be able to get your arms and hands through it cleanly.
Ah, got ninja'd by Sir Edward. ;)
Good advice here, Sir William!
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Thank you, Sir- but I believe you said it more succinctly.
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Looks good Sir Ulrich. Twisty ties were a good idea. Also, the armpit because of the diagonal cut and sewing is the hardest part, but remember, it's your armpit, so it will almost never be visible. The armpit on my haubergeon got a little mangled, but unless you really look for it, you're never really going to see it, so don't worry if it's not perfect. I didn't even bother riveting the rings to sew up the seam on my haubergeon. I used the rings with rivet holes in them, but instead just took a needle-nose pliers and firmly compressed and gave a little twist to the rings where they would have been riveted. It's not as strong as a rivet, but unless you get hit with a bodkin arrow in that link, it will hold! :)
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Good method. I might try that on mine. :)
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Yeah, gonna do the next sleeve soon. Just got to get some help because I cant do it alone. Thankfully this maille is easier to put on than the other hauberk as it doesnt catch on my gambeson at all so it should be easy. Did cut my hand putting it on though cause I didnt have my hand in the mittens when I was putting it on. Just hope I can fix the armpit, that seems to be the hardest part to do.
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You can take a look in the workshop section of this forum, I have a thread (though it's posted by Sir William) about this very subject. Since we even have the same product, I think it'll help you out.
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I honestly think I could do this if I had something to PUT inside on the arm with my gambeson over it. Like a mannequin arm or something. If my parents werent so anal about me asking ANY favors from them I would simply wear the maille and have them mark which rings to cut with a sharpie and I'd work from there, but thats not an option at the moment unless I end up pulling teeth from them as usual -_- and even then they'll prolly screw it up... Is there any way to construct something with my arm size and whatnot so I can stick it in my gambeson and simply put some pillows inside my gambeson slide the maille onto it and tailor it from there after of course putting something inside the arms to tailor them?
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Heres my custom tailored gambeson, over my maille hauberk. Thing I realized is the twisty tie measurements I made fit nearly the same as the gambeson over the maille hauberk. In theory if I cut using the gambeson as a guide it should work as a base to tailor my maille. I still think I should leave a little more room than the gambeson alone but it does give me a general idea on what to cut off and what to keep. Only issue I got is the armpits, I have no clue how to begin that at all. I am starting by using a red sharpie to mark what rings I am going to cut off then cut the rings one by one off the hauberk then seal it up with some rings I purchased from Hanwei. I need about 150 rings to do it and I got 500 useable ones and 500 solid ones that wont work at all.
So I built an "arm" out of foam old steel cans a paint roller and duct tape. I measured my arms with the gambeson on circumference of the largest points to the smallest and made the "arm" with the same circumferences. Then I taped it together with using a pair of old steel beverage cans I had lying around my room and a paint roller my dad gave me, which acted as the "bones" with the foam as my flesh and gambeson. I plan to put it through the sleeves of the maille so I have a 3d way of tailoring the maille to know if it fits for sure. I am making it a little larger though so in case I dont remove too much.
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Needless to say I hope this method works, I find it very hard if not impossible to tailor maille flat in a 2D fashion which stopped me from ever trying it in the past. I already marked all the rings I plan to cut out with a red sharpie. Tomorrow when my hands are less abrased and rubbed raw from fiddling with the maille I plan to cut and seal up the seam, I plan to do the same to the other arm as well. Still unsure if I should remove the twisty ties and just go with the measurements on the "arm" fully cause I dont have any on the other arm AT ALL, though it might be too late cause I already marked the rings.
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I honestly think I could do this if I had something to PUT inside on the arm with my gambeson over it. Like a mannequin arm or something. If my parents werent so anal about me asking ANY favors...
Ulrich, I notice that whenever you refer to your parents, it is usually in a derogatory fashion; I wonder if they get that 'vibe' from you when you speak to them. As a parent, I can tell you this- if my kids approached me with that sort of attitude, my response would be pretty similar to your parents'. Here's why- it probably isn't that they don't want to help you, it is probably the way you asked. And if they tell you no, it helps not to have a bad attitude- I don't know you that well, but just from little I have observed, it sounds like you don't really appreciate your parents, despite being 20 years-plus old and still living at home. They aren't there just to wait on you hand and foot- they're people too, man. They have dreams and aspirations just like you do. I'm willing to bet that if you were to show more courtesy, some appreciation of your parents, they in turn would probably be more willing to aid you in your endeavors. I could be totally wrong, but I don't think I am. A little food for thought, my friend.
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That's a really good point, Sir William. I think when I was growing up, I didn't realize how much my own approach was coloring how people treated me, including my own parents. It's easy to fall into the "angst-driven teenager" sort of thing.
Perception is everything.
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I echo Sir William and Sir Edward's thoughts. Your dad was nice when I met him at DoK, let him know that he can't do anything that will break or mangle or make the mail unusable. It just might take more than one try - and if you get it on the first try, that's rare.
Cool idea on the arm.
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That's a really good point, Sir William. I think when I was growing up, I didn't realize how much my own approach was coloring how people treated me, including my own parents. It's easy to fall into the "angst-driven teenager" sort of thing.
Perception is everything.
Thanks; I had the same experiences as a kid. I think all teens go through it, as a rite of passage if you will. One thing that stuck with me, among all of the other things they've told me that have also stuck with me, is this:
"You may not like it now, but one day- you'll thank me."
Truer words were never spoken; can't tell you how many instances where my parents told me what the outcome would be but I just had to find out for myself. Hard knocks indeed.
Having grown up and having had kids of my own, I truly appreciate the sacrifices, the advice- everything they did to give me all of the tools I'd need to succeed on my own. Amazing how I'll run into a situation and something they'd told me as a youth turns out to be prophetic.
So much so, that even now, at 40, I'll still ask them about things I'm unsure of just because my experience has been that not only do they know, but will often have a bit of wisdom to impart that will ultimately make whatever it is go easier.
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Well the "angry at parents" thing mostly has to do with the fact that I am at the age where I am supposed live alone and because I want to do things alone they always have to "hover" over everything I do and not give me any "alone" time. Makes me second guess myself a lot with everything which in turn makes me not mature as quickly as my peers. Second guessing makes me end up idle and unsure of what I really want. In other words I am tired of them being "helicopter parents". I'd rather make mistakes and learn because the only way I really learn is through experience, just because one thing doesnt work for someone doesnt mean it wont work for me. I'd rather not talk about my personal issues on a public forum though, cause then the world can see it.
Thankfully I got this foam arm, I still havent begun work because my hands hurt from fiddling around with the maille for at least 6 hours yesterday. Just unsure of removing the twisty ties on the one side, does anyone know if I should and start evenly on both sides? Or should I keep them on and work with it. I mean I dont have it on the other side and I'd LIKE both sides to be even.
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Keep the twist ties on, and try working on the other arm. The arms should be symmetrical so when you find one that works, copy it on the other by counting rings. Best not to taper more than 1 reduction row every 3 links, roughly, and remember you have to get your fist through the wrist opening. Armpit is the hard part so if you aren't touching that, it's easier.
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I'll just keep them on, I already marked what I am going to cut anyway. I think I am going to avoid the armpit in all honesty. I dont care if it's a bit baggy there because I probably will be getting bigger when I am older. I may be thin now but my dad was also thin at my age and got bigger by the time he reached his late 20s and early 30s, my guess is the same will happen to me so keeping it a BIT baggy wont hurt in all honesty. I was thinking of just using butted links to close it, by using the links I CUT with the hauberk. Only issue I got there is the rings will have sharp edges where I cut them and putting them on and off might shread the gambeson, guess I will just butt some links I purchased from hanwei.
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Use the butted links at first...if you like the fit, then you can use the riveted ones at a later date.
Point taken on the personal biz...I'd ask Sir Edward to move this to the Knight's Lyst but I think I'll just pm you. Whatever else happens, know that I mean no disrespect, I and all the rest of us would like to see you succeed in all of your future endeavours.
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I didn't even bother riveting a lot of the rings on the seams when I tailored my sleeves. I used rivetable rings, I just didn't peen a rivet. I just butted them close and gave a little twist to lock them in to place. I have not lost a single ring doing this, and saved a ton of time. You an always go back and rivet later if you want.
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Thought you might want to see this:
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=160891 (http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=160891)
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I still might avail myself of that service...Lord knows I've been loathe to touch it.
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I asked the guy about tailoring. I was planning on doing it myself but seeing this service to do it and not only do they mimic the same type of tailoring on a HISTORICAL piece of maille rather than my own job I think I might take it. Just gotta try to convince them to use the rings I send because I am so OCD about everything matching.
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I think he'd rather use your rings anyway, Ulrich. I had talked to him about doing my hauberk some time ago and basically that's the best bet for a uniform look. Not that he wouldn't do it if you didn't have rings, but for the looks- its best that you do have them. But you've made such headway...it would almost be a shame to quit now.
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Well I took my measurements for the tailoring, main reason I want to get this done here is it's full tailoring as opposed to just tapering the sleeves. IE it will hang off my body my easier and will encumber and fatigue me less.
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True, but not much less...you'll still need to acclimate yourself to wearing the maille and the only way to do that is to wear it regularly. You know, as you do stuff around the house, have it on. Its a pain at first, as you need to get used to it. Tailored though, that'll make it hang much better and get in the way less. How long of a timeframe did he quote you?
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He said he could get it fitted within the month or even sooner. Still debating on it a bit but I always wanted fully tailored maille, as it can fit much better for fighting in which means it wont be just a tube around my body.
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Well, as soon as my Svan gambeson gets in and I can take measurements, I'll send it to him. He said and I quote- fit you like a tailored suit.
Color me excited!
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Well the "angry at parents" thing mostly has to do with the fact that I am at the age where I am supposed live alone and because I want to do things alone they always have to "hover" over everything I do and not give me any "alone" time. Makes me second guess myself a lot with everything which in turn makes me not mature as quickly as my peers. Second guessing makes me end up idle and unsure of what I really want. In other words I am tired of them being "helicopter parents". I'd rather make mistakes and learn because the only way I really learn is through experience, just because one thing doesnt work for someone doesnt mean it wont work for me. I'd rather not talk about my personal issues on a public forum though, cause then the world can see it.
Ulrich, although I am new here, maybe I can shed some light as well. I'm 30, and it wasn't that long ago I was in a similar predicament as you. My solution:
I denied all offers to scholarship (only part I half regret)
I enlisted
I left a letter on the kitchen counter
first time in my life my Dad hugged me, and one of the few times he said he was proud of me was after my graduation from bootcamp. "You're your own man now, your decisions, your life. I'm proud of you."
not too long after, far too short in my beliefs of what should/could have been, I was injured and discharged. I moved in with my Uncle. No one in my family knows the truth of my injuries. I'm my own man, and my own keeper. I went to school, transferred to a university out of state and now live six hours away.
best advice I can give you, your parents are a priceless asset unless they truly deserve to be in jail. You may not believe it now, but not a day goes by now, when I watch my girlfriend's two-year-old, that I don't look back on my father's teachings and "someday, you'll thank me" comes up. I call him or my mom, and I thank them.
YIS
B. Patricius
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Well, as soon as my Svan gambeson gets in and I can take measurements, I'll send it to him. He said and I quote- fit you like a tailored suit.
Color me excited!
My hauberk and voiders went out to him for some tailoring. I had already cut down the torso of the hauberk and tapered the sleeves, and it just needed closing up. Side note: Stainless mail is difficult to work with, the rivets don't squeeze well at all - and I tried 3 different pliers and 95% of the time it just bends or distorts.
Back on the subject, curious to see how the hauberk will fit when it gets back. The voiders I already cut down to proper size, but he's going to fix all the missing rivets (see pliers issue above), and then do the cleaning/refinishing. I tried the cement mixer and sand method, and wasn't happy with the results.
If all goes well I'll have the voiders back for the VARF shows!
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Stainless mail is difficult to work with, the rivets don't squeeze well at all - and I tried 3 different pliers and 95% of the time it just bends or distorts.
I now use mild steel loose rings/rivets to tailor my stainless haubergeon and aventail. They look seamless, and if one or two rings get some rust on them, I won't really care, but it's easier to work with.
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Well, as soon as my Svan gambeson gets in and I can take measurements, I'll send it to him. He said and I quote- fit you like a tailored suit.
Color me excited!
My hauberk and voiders went out to him for some tailoring. I had already cut down the torso of the hauberk and tapered the sleeves, and it just needed closing up. Side note: Stainless mail is difficult to work with, the rivets don't squeeze well at all - and I tried 3 different pliers and 95% of the time it just bends or distorts.
Back on the subject, curious to see how the hauberk will fit when it gets back. The voiders I already cut down to proper size, but he's going to fix all the missing rivets (see pliers issue above), and then do the cleaning/refinishing. I tried the cement mixer and sand method, and wasn't happy with the results.
If all goes well I'll have the voiders back for the VARF shows!
Well, my Svan gambeson just arrived so- now for measurements. It won't be back in time for VARF but it would appear I'm no longer in the lineup so no worries. I will however, be there to cheer you on, and of course, hawk the crowd.
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I packed mine up and will ship it out to him soon. Got all the measurements done, I am looking forward to having bingo wing free maille. Now to clean my chausses and find an effective way to tie them, once I get my shoes from viking leathercraft.
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Well, as soon as my Svan gambeson gets in and I can take measurements, I'll send it to him. He said and I quote- fit you like a tailored suit.
Color me excited!
My hauberk and voiders went out to him for some tailoring. I had already cut down the torso of the hauberk and tapered the sleeves, and it just needed closing up. Side note: Stainless mail is difficult to work with, the rivets don't squeeze well at all - and I tried 3 different pliers and 95% of the time it just bends or distorts.
Back on the subject, curious to see how the hauberk will fit when it gets back. The voiders I already cut down to proper size, but he's going to fix all the missing rivets (see pliers issue above), and then do the cleaning/refinishing. I tried the cement mixer and sand method, and wasn't happy with the results.
If all goes well I'll have the voiders back for the VARF shows!
Well, my Svan gambeson just arrived so- now for measurements. It won't be back in time for VARF but it would appear I'm no longer in the lineup so no worries. I will however, be there to cheer you on, and of course, hawk the crowd.
No longer in the lineup? What happened? Sir Nathan and I were expecting you to do the show with us the day Sir Brian and Sir Edward are out, and more help judging is always good.
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I just finally decided to tailor my maille, cutting the rings with snips is a real pain, I notice the riveted links are harder to cut than the solid ones which I think may be because of work hardening possibly. In any case I cut 2 rows of rings out down the right arm using my fake arm. That took about 2 hours and my hands were SHOT and raw afterward from the abrasion of the rings. I then sealed it up with a row of stainless butted links in less than 20 minutes, reason cutting them took so long was cause I had to use pliers to pull them apart then take them off. I later found out I removed TOO LITTLE and still have bingo wings in my maille on my right arm, I'm beat for tonight so I am just going to do it tomorrow probably and have my mother help tie the ribbons around my arm so I know exactly where to cut now.
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I'm glad you finally decided to take the plunge. It's a pain in the butt, but the results will be well worth the time and trouble.
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I did end up puncturing myself in the thumb with a piece of stainless steel wire while my hands were filthy from the maille, may have to get a tetanus shot now I'm not sure if my maille had light rust on it from me cleaning it. All I know is I checked the sleeve again, I did taper it enough in the midsection but the lower arm is actually BIGGER than the mid arm, all thanks to my ties coming loose from when I was cutting it, now I have to measure the amount of rings and cut a bit of excess off and finish that sleeve later today.
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It's better to remove too little and cut again, than to take out too much and have to add material. Much better in the long-run, for sure.
What are you cutting with? I know you said snips... you mean the scissors-like snips? Yeah, that's probably a real pain.
I use mini bolt cutters like this one: http://amzn.com/B000NQ4OYO (http://amzn.com/B000NQ4OYO)
It gives you pretty good leverage, and snaps right through.
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I did end up puncturing myself in the thumb with a piece of stainless steel wire while my hands were filthy from the maille, may have to get a tetanus shot now I'm not sure if my maille had light rust on it from me cleaning it.
When you have an addiction to play with metal objects like pretty much all of us here, it is a good general rule to keep current with your Tetanus shots! ;)
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I did end up puncturing myself in the thumb with a piece of stainless steel wire while my hands were filthy from the maille, may have to get a tetanus shot now I'm not sure if my maille had light rust on it from me cleaning it. All I know is I checked the sleeve again, I did taper it enough in the midsection but the lower arm is actually BIGGER than the mid arm, all thanks to my ties coming loose from when I was cutting it, now I have to measure the amount of rings and cut a bit of excess off and finish that sleeve later today.
As Sir Edward said, and I said on FB, better too little removed, than too much. In regards to sizing, the middle of the sleeve should never be thinner than the forearms; if your elbow is smaller you don't want it tapered in there, or you won't be able to get your forearm through it. Make sure it's a linear decrease in diameter.
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Heres how much I removed, I think I did a decent job, I just quick seamed it with butted links to see if it fit me well, I still think I need to remove maybe 3 rings worth of material in the lower arm to make it taper more but everywhere else I think I am good to go. Any suggestions?
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Just always make sure that the lower arm is big enough so you can fit your fist through it. The last thing you want to do is have a nicely tailored forearm and find you can't get your hand through it to put it on. That's good that you're removing a few rings and then test-fitting. Keep using that approach and you will get it exactly how you want it. And pump up the Wardruna while you work and it will make it go by that much quicker :)
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Make sure you left enough material so that when you bend and flex your arm, it doesn't prohibit full range of motion. Looks good on straight.
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Just always make sure that the lower arm is big enough so you can fit your fist through it. The last thing you want to do is have a nicely tailored forearm and find you can't get your hand through it to put it on. That's good that you're removing a few rings and then test-fitting. Keep using that approach and you will get it exactly how you want it. And pump up the Wardruna while you work and it will make it go by that much quicker :)
I said the same on FB regarding making a fist for it.
However, I neglected to mention the Wardruna. :(
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Tried it with ONE sleeve, I used the rings I cut from the hauberk to butt together and seal it up because the riveting tool I got wont work with the rings I bought. I am still thinking I should remove more stuff at the top so it doesnt look so baggy there, but I worry my biceps will grow and will be too small and I am TRYING to avoid the armpit and I want it to look even. I am keeping it a bit baggy at the elbow because all the period pieces I have seen have had "pockets" at the elbows that were a bit baggy for mobility rather than a tube sleeve. It looks plain badass with my dargen great helm and imposing mace.
This is what I was attempting to replicate http://wallacelive.wallacecollection.org/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=60494&viewType=detailView (http://wallacelive.wallacecollection.org/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=60494&viewType=detailView)
Notice how the elbows are somewhat baggy, I was thinking that would help me attach my elbow cops easier which I plan to wear and lace to the hauberk anyway. Not sure if that kind of hauberk was period for the 14th century though thats a mid 15th century example but it was the lowest I could find with full sleeves rather than half sleeves.
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There's still plenty of elbow room in there if you want to taper the elbow and upper arm a little bit. You can still taper the upper arm and avoid the armpit area if you're worried about that. Also, don't worry about your biceps becoming too big for that hauberk. You'd quite literally need to have world-class biceps and triceps (triceps actually make up 2/3 of the mass of your arms) that are Mr. Olympia worthy for you not to fit in that. And if you want to become an IFBB pro body builder, you're many years, and many steroid injections away from worrying about not fitting in your hauberk sleeves :) With the elbow, bend your arm all the way, is it pulling tight at the elbow? If there's still room in there, you've got room to taper, which I suspect you do.
Even with the tapering you've done, it looks a thousand times better than the standard tube sleeves. It looks really good with the helm and mace as well!
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Yep, looking good so far.
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Finished the right arm today, quite frankly the easiest way to tailor maille is to add the rings WHILE you cut them and seal up the seam as you go along. I just used riveted links that I cut butted together for now, I eventually plan to add riveted links which I bought from KOA. I kept the elbow a little baggy for mobility and it looks a lot better than it did previously. I am surprised I got this all done in an hour, I must have a talent for speed weaving maille.
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Looks good, keep it up, and your hauberk will be in good shape soon!
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Really nice job. I'm glad you decided to taper the upper arm too, it looks very good!
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That is coming along very nicely! Halfway there! :)
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Looks good. :)
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Worked on the other arm, it's not fully done the same way as the other one on the top cause I left a little extra to make sure I still had mobility, I might remove some extra on the left arm to make it more even. Needless to say I worked on this from 6PM to 1AM from scratch and I sealed all the seams of the rings with the rings I cut. When I first put it on there was a butted link I cut that got caught in it and I thought I actually BROKE it for a second by weaving it the wrong way, needless to say I just took pliers and stuck them to my arm and PULLED out the stray ring which was causing it to bunch up. My brother was watching me the whole time and he said it reminded him of the T-800 when he was doing the arm surgery scene in the first terminator film which gave me a good laugh. Still how much should I remove from the left arm now? I know it isnt even enough for me to be satisfied with my extreme OCD, of course the right arm looks smaller than it is due to the lighting.
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You might have to do my maille legs. That looks great!!!
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It's looking great! Good job so far!
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Sir Ulrich, it took a long time to convince you to do this, and I hope you see now that it was well worth it, because your hauberk looks a thousand times better, and I bet it feels a thousand times better as well.
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very nice man. can't wait to see that and your new coat of plates over it
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Finished tailoring it today
(https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q74/s720x720/1012055_10201724727503209_346642384_n.jpg)
It feels a lot better on me not like a liposuction patient anymore. Now I still have to replace the butted links with riveted ones once my tool with more leverage comes cause my old one doesnt have enough to rivet the rather thick links I got. Now just to somehow attach my chausses to my C belt, as I wont be getting my pourpoint in time for the faire to meet my friend. Prolly will have it by Days of Knights 2.0 though.
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Now just to somehow attach my chausses to my C belt, as I wont be getting my pourpoint in time for the faire to meet my friend. Prolly will have it by Days of Knights 2.0 though.
Leather tab and some simple lace, have a pic of it here, last picture:
http://james-anderson-iii.com/tutorials/pages/pointing-leg-armor/ (http://james-anderson-iii.com/tutorials/pages/pointing-leg-armor/)
You can also do an "X" lace, but the two-hole works fine (same way as done with plate legs)
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I got tie in the back ones which are a bit harder to put on, I usually just lace the leather between the rings and let it hang that way.
I am still debating on if I should cut a horseman's slit in my hauberk, I mean I am skinny enough to the point where I can sit down FINE without one but I want to look period so I'm thinking of cutting one...
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Tie in the back can still point on the c-belt same way. Just needs the lacing in the back. Upper part is the same.
I'd go with the slit for historical accuracy for things like DoK. Worst case, if you don't like it... sew it back up. The slit makes it easy for us to sit on chairs and such, but horseback would be another question...
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Sir Ulrich, I want to mention, now that the "dust has settled" a bit and you got out to faire in the new maille and surcoat ... you took on the tailoring, it didn't come out exactly like you wanted it the first time, and you kept trying until you were happy with it.
The motivation to start on it, and keep working on it until you're happy with it even if it wasn't successful the first time - that is a key aspect of the do-it-yourself'ers. Keep that momentum and motivation for the chausses, horseman's slit and whatever else you want to work on with on your kit. Glad to see you stuck it out and pulled through!
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Yeah I worked rather hard on it and got it done dispite all the times I had to redo it due to it not fitting the right way at the moment I'm debating on selling my tie in the back chausses to my friend and getting a set of the new ones from KOA with the full legs, now that I know tailoring aint as hard as I thought it would be, besides with it hanging down it would more easily "form fit" to the leg, similar to how the chest isnt baggy in non tailored maille. Still debating on it though, only real reason I wanna do it is cause I wanna be able to put them on myself without assistance so I can go to faires alone. I am getting my pourpoint soon, cost me a bit but I have it I will see if I can tie the chausses myself.
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Tying up the chausses will be time consuming- but arming up usually is, especially if you have to do it yourself. I completely understand...sometimes I'm solo as well so I've gone w/out pieces of my kit that I couldn't get on myself. I'm also impatient so...there's that.