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Title: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-07-28, 23:31:40
http://www.casiberia.com/prod_Detail.aspx?id=AB2489 (http://www.casiberia.com/prod_Detail.aspx?id=AB2489)
Looks like they finally offer the kind of maille I couldn't find, dome riveted with solid links. Though it isnt out on KOA yet so I am gonna hold off. If I do get a second hauberk I plan to integrate a coif AND mittens with it. Why didn't they offer this in the first place >_>
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2012-07-29, 00:42:33
You should save up the cash & go with Master Knuut. By the time you have the money your gym regime & gambeseon will be done and you can get a custom shirt of stainless (you live in a humid climate yes?).

Otherwise you may be, like me, stuck in between sizes.
(I want a byrnie, but I don't have $500)
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-07-29, 12:11:20
but Sir Ulrich is going for more of a period look. stainless would be right out. heheehe
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Ian on 2012-07-29, 13:44:48
Icefalcon's riveted stainless is blackened, so it's not all uber-shiny.

Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-07-30, 14:37:16
but Sir Ulrich is going for more of a period look. stainless would be right out. heheehe

I don't really buy into the concept that all medieval armor was dingy and rusted. There is a good bit of period artwork and documentation that is in complete contrast to it:

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=20995 (http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=20995)

Off topic, but a good read.

In regards to the hauberk with integrated coif and mittens - IceFalcon.com has taken multiple custom orders in the past, usually if 10 people sign up and it's worthwhile for him to order. Could be worth a shot.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-07-30, 17:22:46
I think it really varies with time, place, and circumstances. There's plenty of evidence that tournament armor was very brightly polished, but I would suspect that dingy would be pretty common while on campaign.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-07-30, 20:02:25
never said it was? and i highly doubt armour was in bad shape. but stainless mail does not look like mild steel mail. nor does it sound the same. now this darkened stuff like sir edward has does.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-07-30, 20:18:37
I think it really varies with time, place, and circumstances. There's plenty of evidence that tournament armor was very brightly polished, but I would suspect that dingy would be pretty common while on campaign.


never said it was? and i highly doubt armour was in bad shape. but stainless mail does not look like mild steel mail. nor does it sound the same. now this darkened stuff like sir edward has does.

Sorry, I was posting in agreement with Ian mentioning IceFalcon, while half mentally away with work, and mubbed two thoughts into one. IceFalcon's stainless steel is not bright and shiny (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/armor/icefalcon/2011-12-21192845.jpg (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/armor/icefalcon/2011-12-21192845.jpg)), and that bright armor is not automatically wrong/non-period.

The DoK site specifically says period materials (http://www.daysofknightsfrankfort.com/html/standards.html (http://www.daysofknightsfrankfort.com/html/standards.html)), but the difference between IceFalcon's stainless and mild steel mail is very minimal; if we're talking plate armor, that's a whole different appearance discrepancy... I had planned to take my stainless icefalcon mail if I got done with the tailoring and such. This is probably worth checking in on the DoK FB page.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir William on 2012-07-31, 15:49:24
What do you guys think of these fellows:  http://www.capapie.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_69 (http://www.capapie.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_69)

I'm thinking of getting a hauberk from them.  How would you rank the historicity of the fit, finish and construction method?  This won't be cheap, but I'm hoping it'll be authentic enough.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Ian on 2012-07-31, 19:54:40
What do you guys think of these fellows:  http://www.capapie.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_69 (http://www.capapie.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_69)

I'm thinking of getting a hauberk from them.  How would you rank the historicity of the fit, finish and construction method?  This won't be cheap, but I'm hoping it'll be authentic enough.

I've only heard second hand through some MyArmoury folks, but I've only heard positive things about cap-a-pie's maille.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-01, 18:44:24
Ah, that is good...and what I wanted to know, thanks.  I'm still undecided- do I want to commit to a 13thC persona, or do I want to dabble in the 14th?  I dunno...both the blessing and the curse in pursuing this avenue of interest.  lol
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-08-01, 19:12:32
i can't really see the difference than the gdfb stuff. am i missing something?
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-01, 19:34:28
Between that and cap-a-pie?  I don't know, really...other than the CAP stuff won't be "totally tubular" like most of what else you get that isn't custom-made for an individual.  It isn't supposed to be, in any case, although they can't help it with the arms.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-08-02, 00:23:28
Yeah I am a bit mad my maille didnt come with tapered sleeves, I am prolly gonna pay someone to tailor it for me cause doing it myself is impossible cause I hate making maille it's too hard. I wanted alternating rings too but guess I'm gonna have to deal with what I got right now.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-08-02, 02:51:34
What do you guys think of these fellows:  http://www.capapie.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_69 (http://www.capapie.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_69)

I'm thinking of getting a hauberk from them.  How would you rank the historicity of the fit, finish and construction method?  This won't be cheap, but I'm hoping it'll be authentic enough.

I've heard nothing but good things about them. As far as historical accuracy, this is a good read (http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=187600 (http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=187600)).
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-08-02, 13:40:36
Yeah I am a bit mad my maille didnt come with tapered sleeves, I am prolly gonna pay someone to tailor it for me cause doing it myself is impossible cause I hate making maille it's too hard. I wanted alternating rings too but guess I'm gonna have to deal with what I got right now.

It's actually not hard to learn to do. It's slow-going, but you can sit in front of the TV and work on it.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-08-02, 21:35:25
Yeah I am a bit mad my maille didnt come with tapered sleeves, I am prolly gonna pay someone to tailor it for me cause doing it myself is impossible cause I hate making maille it's too hard. I wanted alternating rings too but guess I'm gonna have to deal with what I got right now.

It's actually not hard to learn to do. It's slow-going, but you can sit in front of the TV and work on it.

Try here. www.ringmesh.com (http://www.ringmesh.com) (RI). Got my lastest welded ring-maille half-sleeve there. It's perfect & lifetime warranty on its durability. Really lightweight & well-crafted.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-03, 15:25:32
Ringmesh is good for protection, but if you're looking for anything near historical accuracy, this is not for you.  Welded maille in general is not authentic, but again, it all depends on what you want out of it.  I get the impression that Ulrich is looking to make an effort at historical accuracy.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-08-03, 23:36:11
Yeah I want historical accuracy so I go after riveted maille rather than welded or butted. Though I'd rather have welded than have butted because butted well... comes apart. Duke Icefalcon still hasn't gotten back to me about the maille chausses so I am still waiting on that, I assume he's at Pennsic though so I'm sure he'll get back to me sooner or later.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-08-04, 23:46:07
Yes, IceFalcon is at Pennsic
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-08-05, 00:14:02
Yes, IceFalcon is at Pennsic

Sorry I cannot be this year. Have Florida vacation at end of month & it was one or the other. So I choose fishing over fighting. :) Good compromise I think.
Title: Re: New maille type at CASIberia
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-07, 16:33:11
Only if you like fishing.  lol