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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-05-11, 04:32:52
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http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDProdukt=46&IDKategoria=4&IDPodkategoria=6 (http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDProdukt=46&IDKategoria=4&IDPodkategoria=6)
FINALLY I found the exact kind of gambeson I want in linen, only problem is I am unsure if they ship to the USA. Anyone got suggestions on how to write to them cause I dont really have a clue how to write business emails basically >_> Has anyone here ever ordered from them before?
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You don't really need to write a full-on business letter, unless you want to propose a partnership, like you being their US distributor or some such. If you just want to know if they're willing to ship to the US. A lot of european companies are willing to ship anywhere because you pay for shipping/insurance, so it doesn't really add to their overhead.
Oh, and that is a SWEET gambeson, if you ask them, let me know if they ship here. But if you don't ask, I think I certainly will!
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heard good things but never ordered from them. a friend did and got a nice 15thc one
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These are their instructions for ordering:
http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=2&Lng=en (http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=2&Lng=en)
Looks like you will either need to set up a bank transfer or send money by registered mail since they don't accept paypal.
Alternately, these guys are another polish company with a good reputation, sell an almost identical type of gambeson, with a few more options even, and do accept paypal if you're not comfortable doing an international wire transfer.
http://www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/12th-13th-century-gambesons.html (http://www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/12th-13th-century-gambesons.html)
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Ian, thank you. I like the look of the Matuls one, but am not interested in going thru the motions of setting up a wire transfer. PP is so much easier. I'm torn...because I kind of like the ones from Cap-a-Pie as well. This one has gloves! Is that historic?
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I have no clue how to use anything other than paypal. My folks agreed however to help me get one overseas finally. One with gloves would be more convenient for me though, wouldnt have to constantly put on and take off my gloves as they'd be attached to the gambeson, plus it looks like it goes down to the knees which is exactly what I want, I cant find any in the USA minus the GDFB ones that go down to the knees which also have poly fill and are too big for my smaller frame.
Only issue is the other company is more expensive, not sure if I can customize the color too. I want one in black because it doesnt show the dirt or oil as much as white would. I'm not willing to spend more than $250 for a gambeson, because I think it's RIDICULOUS that it costs as much as maille does. Had I known the one I currently have had a poly fill I prolly would not of bought it.
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That link I posted is just page 1 of 7 pages worth of gambesons they offer. Page 2 has gambesons with attached gloves. Not sure about color customization unless you order a totally custom piece. $250 is the lower end for a robust quality gambeson by the way that enables both freedom of movement and holds up to maille.
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ooo i like page 2. i would think getting a thinner gamb so i could wear mail over it
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Ulrich have you considered revival clothing’s model-T cotton gambeson? ???
http://www.revivalclothing.com/cottongambeson-2.aspx (http://www.revivalclothing.com/cottongambeson-2.aspx)
Their products are usually cut smaller than their listed size and their Model-T comes only in black and should have the same comfort and maneuverability as their regular linen gambeson. I intend to get a lightweight one to wear under my maille the next time they have another 15% off or more sales. They are at least stateside and they definitely know how to make gambesons that fit well. If their small is still a little too large for you then you could always soak it in boiling water a little while to help it shrink up.
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I think Sir Ulrich is looking specifically for the Maciejowski Style 13th century gambeson like these:
http://www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/12th-13th-century-gambesons/gambeson-gm13-c2.html (http://www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/12th-13th-century-gambesons/gambeson-gm13-c2.html)
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http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDProdukt=46&IDKategoria=4&IDPodkategoria=6 (http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDProdukt=46&IDKategoria=4&IDPodkategoria=6)
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I think Sir Ulrich is looking specifically for the Maciejowski Style 13th century gambeson like these:
http://www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/12th-13th-century-gambesons/gambeson-gm13-c2.html (http://www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/12th-13th-century-gambesons/gambeson-gm13-c2.html)
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http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDProdukt=46&IDKategoria=4&IDPodkategoria=6 (http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDProdukt=46&IDKategoria=4&IDPodkategoria=6)
Yes I agree.
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I'd get that if it had gone down to the knees, my issue is finding a gambeson that goes down to the knees so I dont have to wear padded chausses or cuisses. Last thing I need is overheating at the faire, yet today I was the boardwalk in a trenchcoat (in 2 additional layers cause I refuse to wear sunscreen) in the hot sun so I am pretty tolerant, it's just that when it comes to actual fighting I get really tired quickly. Considering it's cheap I may just pick it up if I cant find anything else but the not going down to my knees would be an issue. Also my current gambeson has tube sleeves so tailoring maille for it is impossible. I'm really tired of maciejowski bible stuff being really hard to find in the USA. I dont want too thick a gambeson because it would be too hot. It's hard to find a gambeson thats fit for the 1200s.
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I'd get that if it had gone down to the knees, my issue is finding a gambeson that goes down to the knees so I dont have to wear padded chausses or cuisses. Last thing I need is overheating at the faire, yet today I was the boardwalk in a trenchcoat (in 2 additional layers cause I refuse to wear sunscreen) in the hot sun so I am pretty tolerant, it's just that when it comes to actual fighting I get really tired quickly. Considering it's cheap I may just pick it up if I cant find anything else but the not going down to my knees would be an issue. Also my current gambeson has tube sleeves so tailoring maille for it is impossible. I'm really tired of maciejowski bible stuff being really hard to find in the USA. I dont want too thick a gambeson because it would be too hot. It's hard to find a gambeson thats fit for the 1200s.
Availability in the USA is difficult sometimes because it seems that most stuff in the US is catered towards the SCA crowd, not the living history or re-enactor crowd. SCA are the most numerous consumers of historically-based goods here, so commercially it makes sense that most armories and clothing shops cater to their needs first and foremost (sadly you'll also notice that they don't cater to skinny or athletically built people in the US either when it comes to off-the-rack goods, but that's a whole different US issue ;) ). Unfortunately, that means a lot of attention to detail when it comes to historical appropriateness for a given time period goes out the window in favor of what works better to do rattan fighting in.
The truth of the matter is, when it comes to very specific garments or pieces of armor, you either have to go overseas to get them, or be prepared to go the custom built or custom sewn route here, and that translates in to $$$. I face a similar problem. None of the go-to production armorers in the US really make anything remotely historically accurate for the late 14th century. Most of their stuff has compromised historical details for modern practicality or SCA rules compliance, or it's just not shaped correctly to save money. I either had to go overseas or go custom. I figured since I was going to have to spend the cash anyway, I might as well go custom and ensure everything I get fits and moves properly. You may find you want to go the custom route if you end up not being comfortable with the overseas option.
If you want to go overseas though, Matul's, and the others suggested above are some of your best bets.
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I can recomend Matuls. Thier items are good quality and from what I`ve heard thier service is good also.
G.
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yet today I was the boardwalk in a trenchcoat (in 2 additional layers cause I refuse to wear sunscreen) in the hot sun so I am pretty tolerant
it's just that when it comes to actual fighting I get really tired quickly
I know I'm taking this out of context, but the two statements made me think a bit. If it's not the layers that make you tired, but the fighting, I'm not sure the material of the gambeson will make any difference. It might be an issue of, with all due respect, athletic ability. Can you fight, without a gambeson, for the amount of time you think you'll be able to fight with a linen one? Linen or polyfill (I have both), I find myself getting slower by the minute after maybe 10 or 15 minutes of sparring. The polyfill is, without a doubt, warmer than the linen, but if the issue is exhaustion and not body temperature, the material probably won't make a difference.
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Sir James brings up a good point. However, I'd like to point out that a lot of the fatigue that people feel often comes from the body having to work harder at shedding heat. You can practice longer and harder if you can manage body heat better. So I wouldn't overlook this.
However, sometimes it's also the way in which you fight. I used to get exhausted in seconds when I first got started with the fighting. I don't think I'm all that much better conditioned now, only slightly. I think the biggest difference comes from learning to fight correctly, and to relax and not tense up. You can burn twice as much energy if you move inefficiently and stay tense.
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Yeah I think I may just go with the Matlus gambeson because well thats the EXACT design I want and I am tired of settling for ahistorical stuff or stuff from the wrong period just cause they cater to SCA fighting crowd which I have little interest in.
I got very little tolerance for the heat, thats the problem I have, in cold weather I can exert myself better than in hot weather. I am able to fight in medieval SCA style combat better WITHOUT a gambeson than I am WITH one due to the gambeson being TOO hot. In fact when I fight WITH a linen shirt on the sweat being wicked away by the linen is quite cool and refreshing, I assume the same would be with a gambeson that was linen. I get tired EASILY when it's hot outside, and everyone I talked to at the SCA thing said linen works wonders there. When I take stimulants like caffeine I usually can fight much easier and get less tired so maybe I should do that before fighting?
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When I take stimulants like caffeine I usually can fight much easier and get less tired so maybe I should do that before fighting?
No. Taking stimulants prior to any activity that will already put your heartrate at elevated levels is a bad idea and potentially dangerous, especially if you're not already in good shape. If you're getting that tired from heat and/or not drinking caffeine prior to exertion, you really should consider getting yourself in to good cardiovascular condition first and foremost. One, it's good for you in general, and two, it will give you a distinct advantage over the typical overweight reenactor who can't run 100 yards in armor without dying. Remember, in period, knights weren't out of shape, they were professional warriors. They're lives literally depended on being in shape just as much as they depended on their training. In my opinion, this is an aspect often overlooked by modern reenactor's. Being skinny does not equal being in shape either. If you want to fully embody the knightly ideal, don't get lazy when it comes to fitness. Long story short, please don't rely on chemicals to boost performance and potentially injure yourself.
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I used to be in shape back in 2009-2010 and hiked regularly then some sh** happened and well lets see then I did nothing really for like 6 months due to depression and well that saps your strength and willpower to do anything really. Heat also saps my strength as does uncomfortable clothing and armor. I'm 100% serious, the legs they had me wear were like 5 sizes too big for me and hung by a belt rather than a pourpoint. Also I tend to get intimidated when people hit with full force contact, thats not something I am into in all honesty, whenever I duel usually I do light force contact with blunted steel weapons. Yet I did totally fine when I fought bare chested with a sword and shield, didn't tire that much that way. To put it blunt and honestly, heat saps my strength really easily and I dont know why. I did better the second time round though, so I think I may try it again despite myself HATING the armor I had to wear.
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Me in my gambeseon I made from 3 layers of linen I got from Fabric-Store.com.
It is my very favorite piece of armour. I too have heat isses and fought in a hot, humid, & dusty SCA War this weekend. This gambeseon is the reason why.
Now for a period helm liner backed with sorbothane.
And yes, dropping 22.5 lbs and using my inhaler helps too. ;)
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Yeah I might consider some custom work if I can find a proper period pattern for a 13th century gambeson. All the SCA fighters I talked to said a few layers of linen is all you really need for a gambeson under maille or plate and not the "stuffing" as the stuffing is relatively unnecessary unless you're gonna wear it as stand alone armor.
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All I can say Sir Ulrich is this: Go for the historically accurate gambeson. When you heat up, drink water, that helps in cooling down (do not take caffeine before a fight less end up being spastic during the fight) Finally, up to you whether you want the padding or not. Since you have mail, I would opt for the few linen layers.
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That's true, gambesons under armor don't need to be very thick. Another thing I can recommend is to soak yourself in the arming garments if it's a particularly hot day. Part of what kept knights cool back in the day is that the gambeson under the mail would get soaked with sweat, and transmit the heat to the outer layer where it would be evaporating. The problem is that it takes time for this process to start. It'll feel really uncomfortable at first, but pouring water all down your gambeson will get it started, and then you'll adjust to it and it'll start helping.
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That's true, gambesons under armor don't need to be very thick. Another thing I can recommend is to soak yourself in the arming garments if it's a particularly hot day. .... ......but pouring water all down your gambeson will get it started, and then you'll adjust to it and it'll start helping.
>:( >:( >:(
I KNEW I forgot something this weekend. A few bottles of water and I could have fixed that on the field.
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That's true, gambesons under armor don't need to be very thick. Another thing I can recommend is to soak yourself in the arming garments if it's a particularly hot day. Part of what kept knights cool back in the day is that the gambeson under the mail would get soaked with sweat, and transmit the heat to the outer layer where it would be evaporating. The problem is that it takes time for this process to start. It'll feel really uncomfortable at first, but pouring water all down your gambeson will get it started, and then you'll adjust to it and it'll start helping.
I can say the same idea applies to me wearing an arming doublet on a hot, sunny day. The only difference I can say is that the voiders would be the only parts that would heat up. But water is recommended. Another idea would be to train outdoors with a kit or harness on to make the adjustments to both heat, soaking the sweat and as physical conditioning (which is how I believe Knights of old survived summer days), but bring water as always.
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That's true, gambesons under armor don't need to be very thick. Another thing I can recommend is to soak yourself in the arming garments if it's a particularly hot day. .... ......but pouring water all down your gambeson will get it started, and then you'll adjust to it and it'll start helping.
Or you can just soak a cotton undershirt and then wring it out before putting on your gambeson. You could also modify a t-shirt as I did with pockets to hold flat ice packets which will get you an additional 2-4 hours depending on the temperature, of course you'll actually shiver with cold as you first put your armor on. ;)
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I used to be in shape back in 2009-2010 and hiked regularly then some sh** happened and well lets see then I did nothing really for like 6 months due to depression and well that saps your strength and willpower to do anything really. Heat also saps my strength as does uncomfortable clothing and armor. I'm 100% serious, the legs they had me wear were like 5 sizes too big for me and hung by a belt rather than a pourpoint. Also I tend to get intimidated when people hit with full force contact, thats not something I am into in all honesty, whenever I duel usually I do light force contact with blunted steel weapons. Yet I did totally fine when I fought bare chested with a sword and shield, didn't tire that much that way. To put it blunt and honestly, heat saps my strength really easily and I dont know why. I did better the second time round though, so I think I may try it again despite myself HATING the armor I had to wear.
I know what you mean, heat is really rough on me too, I'm naturally warm so the heat amps it up even more. I can start sweating before I've even got a full harness on. I do drink like a camel, though.
If the armor isn't comfortable, it's not sized right, or something else is wrong. Is it plate? Post some pictures of it on, and maybe we can give some feedback. I think you should have a go at making a gambeson. In the pics I posted recently with my "full plate" harness, I'm wearing single-layer linen chausses, braies, a t-shirt, and an arming coat - which has no padding, it's just a thick two-layer garment with arming points and lace-tight sleeves. With mail, you'll want more padding than plate since the mail, of course, gives, where plate does not. But you don't need a silly amount, either.
For contact force, if you're sparring / dueling with somebody and they're hitting too hard, tell them to scale back the power. If they won't, don't continue. If they don't respect your wishes for a safe battle, they are not worth the battle.
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Or you can just soak a cotton undershirt and then wring it out before putting on your gambeson. You could also modify a t-shirt as I did with pockets to hold flat ice packets which will get you an additional 2-4 hours depending on the temperature, of course you'll actually shiver with cold as you first put your armor on.
Good idea.
I know what you mean, heat is really rough on me too, I'm naturally warm so the heat amps it up even more. I can start sweating before I've even got a full harness on. I do drink like a camel, though.
If the armor isn't comfortable, it's not sized right, or something else is wrong. Is it plate? Post some pictures of it on, and maybe we can give some feedback. I think you should have a go at making a gambeson. In the pics I posted recently with my "full plate" harness, I'm wearing single-layer linen chausses, braies, a t-shirt, and an arming coat - which has no padding, it's just a thick two-layer garment with arming points and lace-tight sleeves. With mail, you'll want more padding than plate since the mail, of course, gives, where plate does not. But you don't need a silly amount, either.
For contact force, if you're sparring / dueling with somebody and they're hitting too hard, tell them to scale back the power. If they won't, don't continue. If they don't respect your wishes for a safe battle, they are not worth the battle.
I agree on that. ;)
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What Joshua said. It is much easier to deal with if you are more used to it. I'm considering doing my walks with a hauberk on just to get used to the weight of it again. I typically wear it around the house for extended periods...or rather, I used to. I've gotten very lazy these last couple of years.
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It's just maille I wear and it's the wings that flap around that make it uncomfortable to wear, make it feel excessively heavy. For the plate it's borrowed SCA combat plate I got at the medieval club that isnt even mine to begin with, doesnt fit me at all cause I am thinner than average. I need custom plate no matter what.
Yeah I would wear mine more often if I could get it on without assistance. I literally need 2 people to help hold it up so I can squirm my way into it. Still havent figured out how to get it on without assistance.
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What Joshua said. It is much easier to deal with if you are more used to it. I'm considering doing my walks with a hauberk on just to get used to the weight of it again. I typically wear it around the house for extended periods...or rather, I used to. I've gotten very lazy these last couple of years.
Correct, the same idea applies for wearing kits for physical conditioning.
It's just maille I wear and it's the wings that flap around that make it uncomfortable to wear, make it feel excessively heavy. For the plate it's borrowed SCA combat plate I got at the medieval club that isnt even mine to begin with, doesnt fit me at all cause I am thinner than average. I need custom plate no matter what.
Yeah I would wear mine more often if I could get it on without assistance. I literally need 2 people to help hold it up so I can squirm my way into it. Still havent figured out how to get it on without assistance.
Have you tried to lay the bottom of the hauberk on the ground first, then grab the hauberk by the end and push head first then shake it around until you feel it on the shoulders then the arms go last? That should do it.
Concerning plate armor, yes get custom made but also work out when you can. That can make the difference.
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Yeah I would wear mine more often if I could get it on without assistance. I literally need 2 people to help hold it up so I can squirm my way into it. Still havent figured out how to get it on without assistance.
Put a long string through a couple rings on the bottom of the hauberk. When you put it on overhead like a shirt, pull down gently on the strings and it will, most of the time, tug loose any snagging rivets. Then just take out the strings once it's on.
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I usually roll and bunch up the bottom half like a regular shirt, put my arms all the way through while bending over at the waist then put my head through the neck opening, stand upright and let gravity do the rest with a few vertical hops to get the maille situated correctly. ;)
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I usually roll and bunch up the bottom half like a regular shirt, put my arms all the way through while bending over at the waist then put my head through the neck opening, stand upright and let gravity do the rest with a few vertical hops to get the maille situated correctly. ;)
Same for my maille. The jumping around at the end looks pretty goofy, but works! Once my arms are through, then I put my head through, then jump up and down like an idiot and the body tube falls in to place.
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Yeah, I'm having to learn these tricks now too. I'm so used to my butted aluminum, which just slides right on with almost no resistance.
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Aluminum will spoil you, Sir Edward...and I have cause to know as I have a butted aluminum hauberk that is a dream to slide on! Like the rest, putting on a steel hauberk requires some acrobatics...it would appear our forebears did the same, judging by some of the period artwork I've seen where knights were bent in half as they pulled on hauberks.
Ulrich, you will want to practice putting it on by yourself- keep at it til you can do it by yourself. Normally, knights had squires to assist with the armoring but we don't, so we must learn to make do.
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Put a long string through a couple rings on the bottom of the hauberk. When you put it on overhead like a shirt, pull down gently on the strings and it will, most of the time, tug loose any snagging rivets. Then just take out the strings once it's on.
I usually roll and bunch up the bottom half like a regular shirt, put my arms all the way through while bending over at the waist then put my head through the neck opening, stand upright and let gravity do the rest with a few vertical hops to get the maille situated correctly.
Same for my maille. The jumping around at the end looks pretty goofy, but works! Once my arms are through, then I put my head through, then jump up and down like an idiot and the body tube falls in to place.
Same for my maille. The jumping around at the end looks pretty goofy, but works! Once my arms are through, then I put my head through, then jump up and down like an idiot and the body tube falls in to place.
judging by some of the period artwork I've seen where knights were bent in half as they pulled on hauberks.
Ulrich, you will want to practice putting it on by yourself- keep at it til you can do it by yourself. Normally, knights had squires to assist with the armoring but we don't, so we must learn to make do.
Practice makes progress or perfect Sir Ulrich. You will get the hang of it. ;)
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Guess I should practice getting my hauberk on and off then, I've only worn it 2 times so it's practically brand new still apart from me removing some of the damaged rings to replace them. I think i'll start that tomorrow cause I am going to a faire this weekend. Only issue is the long hair which can get tangled in it rather easily, though that padded coif I have from MRL works well with keeping the maille off my hair, only issue is it's tan and I dont like my stuff being all dirty from the maille. Guess i'll dye it black afterward.
Do have one question, should I put my coif on first or my hauberk on over the coif? I dont want the thing flapping around so I think putting the coif on first then the hauberk would work.
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For the hair, I find it helps to always put on the padded arming cap (and fold my hair under to it's all contained) before putting on the mail, even if I plan to let my hair down afterward. From a fellow long-haired guy, I highly recommend this. :)
You can wear the coif either way, over or under the hauberk. Both are period. A lot of knights would wear it under for exactly that reason, to keep it from flapping. If you look early enough in the period, the coifs were often built into the hauberk anyway, and wearing it under the hauberk can simulate this. So it's entirely up to you. But I'm finding that wearing it over the hauberk but under the surcoat pretty much does the same thing.
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put on your arming cap and put on your coif first. it will hid the mantle and look like the hauberk is attached to the coif. :)
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put on your arming cap and put on your coif first. it will hid the mantle and look like the hauberk is attached to the coif.
For the hair, I find it helps to always put on the padded arming cap (and fold my hair under to it's all contained) before putting on the mail, even if I plan to let my hair down afterward. From a fellow long-haired guy, I highly recommend this.
Keep the hair out of the mail is the point here. I also want to mention that an arming cap also helps with the helmet fitting especially dealing with liners.
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You can wear the coif either way, over or under the hauberk. Both are period. A lot of knights would wear it under for exactly that reason, to keep it from flapping. If you look early enough in the period, the coifs were often built into the hauberk anyway, and wearing it under the hauberk can simulate this. So it's entirely up to you. But I'm finding that wearing it over the hauberk but under the surcoat pretty much does the same thing.
For my riveted hauberk, I have a butted coif- I typically wear the coif over top of the hauberk but under the surcoat - for my Templar impression this works well as they wore hauberks w/integrated coifs for the most part. Now that I have that setup in butted aluminum, I'm most likely going to get rid of the butted steel coif and end up with a riveted one to match the hauberk eventually. If you have long hair, tie it up in your arming cap first, then pull the hauberk on- it'll slide a lot smoother over your head- and believe it or not, a knight's arming cap would've gotten a lot dirtier, from sweat and blood while on campaign as well as pulling oiled steel off and on repeatedly.
I used to wear the same gear to every Faire for a whole season...I stopped doing it because I don't particularly like smelling gamey as the season wore on. lol
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For my riveted hauberk, I have a butted coif- I typically wear the coif over top of the hauberk but under the surcoat - for my Templar impression this works well as they wore hauberks w/integrated coifs for the most part. Now that I have that setup in butted aluminum, I'm most likely going to get rid of the butted steel coif and end up with a riveted one to match the hauberk eventually. If you have long hair, tie it up in your arming cap first, then pull the hauberk on- it'll slide a lot smoother over your head- and believe it or not, a knight's arming cap would've gotten a lot dirtier, from sweat and blood while on campaign as well as pulling oiled steel off and on repeatedly.
Yep, keep these points in mind Sir Ulrich, they will help you.
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Only problem is my coif and hauberk dont match so it would look a bit odd. but I still am wearing it under the hauberk as I have no surcoat that fits me at the moment. Need to resize the templar one I currently have but I have been unable to find a tailor for it. Going to that faire this weekend so it's a bit too late to resize it right now, but the weather is supposed to be good for the medieval faire so it doesnt matter really. Prolly gonna wear my hauberk with my new shield a coif and kettle helm. Hopefully the coif will fit under the kettle helm. I'll take some pics when I go it down tomorrow.
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Only problem is my coif and hauberk dont match so it would look a bit odd. but I still am wearing it under the hauberk as I have no surcoat that fits me at the moment. Need to resize the templar one I currently have but I have been unable to find a tailor for it. Going to that faire this weekend so it's a bit too late to resize it right now, but the weather is supposed to be good for the medieval faire so it doesnt matter really. Prolly gonna wear my hauberk with my new shield a coif and kettle helm. Hopefully the coif will fit under the kettle helm. I'll take some pics when I go it down tomorrow.
That is good, good luck and make sure that the coif, arming cap, helm and surcoat fit.
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Only problem is my coif and hauberk dont match so it would look a bit odd. but I still am wearing it under the hauberk as I have no surcoat that fits me at the moment. Need to resize the templar one I currently have but I have been unable to find a tailor for it. Going to that faire this weekend so it's a bit too late to resize it right now, but the weather is supposed to be good for the medieval faire so it doesnt matter really. Prolly gonna wear my hauberk with my new shield a coif and kettle helm. Hopefully the coif will fit under the kettle helm. I'll take some pics when I go it down tomorrow.
If you don't mind the looks, you can actually get your surcoat tailored at most dry cleaners that have a seamstress on the premises. You'll just need to wear your arming clothes and mail so they can take the required measurements over all of that. As for the coif and hauberk not matching- that would not have been unusual I don't think, at least, not for poorer knights. If you were landed gentry then you'd be expected to have a tailor-made hauberk w/coif and chausses.
You're off to a good start, I wouldn't let something small like that to deter you from going forward. You can always replace that coif at a later date for one that is more in line w/your hauberk but it isn't a show stopper, if you know what I mean.
Also, you could always go in just the hauberk and coif and your arming wear underneath w/out the surcoat- then your portrayal would be that of a 11th or 12th Century man-at-arms, the shield will just add to it.
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If you don't mind the looks, you can actually get your surcoat tailored at most dry cleaners that have a seamstress on the premises. You'll just need to wear your arming clothes and mail so they can take the required measurements over all of that. As for the coif and hauberk not matching- that would not have been unusual I don't think, at least, not for poorer knights. If you were landed gentry then you'd be expected to have a tailor-made hauberk w/coif and chausses.
You're off to a good start, I wouldn't let something small like that to deter you from going forward. You can always replace that coif at a later date for one that is more in line w/your hauberk but it isn't a show stopper, if you know what I mean.
Also, you could always go in just the hauberk and coif and your arming wear underneath w/out the surcoat- then your portrayal would be that of a 11th or 12th Century man-at-arms, the shield will just add to it.
Yep. ;)
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Guess I'll go as a 12th century poorer man at arms or knight then who looted his hauberk and coif from the dead. Still gonna go with my new shield because it's way too nice to not bring and I cant stand the feel of the older one. Could easily do that actually cause my weapons and helm are quite outdated for the 13th century. I will have pics of my outfit up soon as I want to wear it first to see if it's comfortable enough for the faire.
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Guess I'll go as a 12th century poorer man at arms or knight then who looted his hauberk and coif from the dead. Still gonna go with my new shield because it's way too nice to not bring and I cant stand the feel of the older one. Could easily do that actually cause my weapons and helm are quite outdated for the 13th century. I will have pics of my outfit up soon as I want to wear it first to see if it's comfortable enough for the faire.
Good luck Sir Ulrich.
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Still was unable to get it on myself, I cant get my arms in the sleeves that easily and it doesnt stretch that easily due to that. Maybe it's a size too small for me, if thats the case I been considering selling it and exchanging it for a larger size. But then it would weigh more ugh and I dont need extra weight. My chest size is like 34 and the chest size for this maille is 40 so I think I am pretty much fine.
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Still was unable to get it on myself, I cant get my arms in the sleeves that easily and it doesnt stretch that easily due to that. Maybe it's a size too small for me, if thats the case I been considering selling it and exchanging it for a larger size. But then it would weigh more ugh and I dont need extra weight. My chest size is like 34 and the chest size for this maille is 40 so I think I am pretty much fine.
Keep practicing Sir Ulrich, you will get the hang of it. ;)
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Ulrich, if its made for a 40 you should be ok, provided you're not wearing a Michelin man style gambeson- that is, an overstuffed one. Mind you, it is most likely the weight of it that is giving you trouble...keep at it, keep handling it- you might even make a workout of it, putting it on, taking it off- do that ten times and see how you feel. Then you can add 'reps' to that. It is a lot harder than lifting hand weights because it'll flop and fold over if you're not paying attention, but it makes for a good workout nonetheless. You will get the hang of it eventually, no pun intended.
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Ulrich, if its made for a 40 you should be ok, provided you're not wearing a Michelin man style gambeson- that is, an overstuffed one. Mind you, it is most likely the weight of it that is giving you trouble...keep at it, keep handling it- you might even make a workout of it, putting it on, taking it off- do that ten times and see how you feel. Then you can add 'reps' to that. It is a lot harder than lifting hand weights because it'll flop and fold over if you're not paying attention, but it makes for a good workout nonetheless. You will get the hang of it eventually, no pun intended.
I agree on this one.
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And Ulrich, should you decide to get rid of it, let me know!
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Still was unable to get it on myself, I cant get my arms in the sleeves that easily and it doesnt stretch that easily due to that. Maybe it's a size too small for me, if thats the case I been considering selling it and exchanging it for a larger size. But then it would weigh more ugh and I dont need extra weight. My chest size is like 34 and the chest size for this maille is 40 so I think I am pretty much fine.
You might need to add some triangular gussets at the armpits. It'll give you more flex to get your arms in, and tapered properly, won't give you the bingo wings, either. Cut out a short line of rings, roughly twice as long on the arms as on the body, then try to put the shirt on. If you can, add the gussets / gores accordingly. Just remember it's going to be a contracting mail pattern, not the standard 4 in 1. It sounds harder than it is. And if cutting open the line of rings doesn't work and you still can't get it on, just rivet it back closed.