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Main => The Round Table => Topic started by: Sir Edward on 2011-12-07, 16:56:05
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Is it still wrong if another culture says it is right? A teacher’s surprising discovery
http://thebestschools.org/bestschoolsblog/2011/12/03/wrong-culture-right-teacher%E2%80%99s-surprising-discovery/ (http://thebestschools.org/bestschoolsblog/2011/12/03/wrong-culture-right-teacher%E2%80%99s-surprising-discovery/)
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your beliefs and freedoms end at the end of my nose, once you've touched me you've crossed the line and have impacted my person. be prepared for the hell that follows. ;)
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I am extremely disappointed...but not shocked or even caught unawares. I still say this got started with the O'Hair woman and snowballed- whoever came up with 'political correctness' should have their nose and ears hacked off.
These students did not evince a strong response because it didn't happen to them or anyone they knew personally. So for them, it is more of an abstract concept than a hard and fast truth...they don't have to deal with the aftermath, repercussions or turmoil that will ensue. As such, it is just another blurb in the news to them.
Some would blame the gratuitous violence in movies and games as the reason why these kids are so desensitized...I would not agree. If they are unable to know the difference between entertainment media and real life, there is a larger problem that needs to be addressed yet...no one seems willing or able to do it on a larger scale. Myself included. Sometimes, it seems hard just to care about some things...especially when they don't affect me or mine directly, but that's a pretty poor way to look at things and I am working on it. That doesn't mean that empathy is null and void for me...just that there seems to be a glut of things that need real consideration, and not enough time or people to care enough to do so. It really does boil down to an individual's outlook on things...which is kind of sad in a way.
In the article, he mentions that some of the students couldn't or wouldn't even look up to view the image- to me, that smacks of that PC bs I call cowardice. That's all political correctness is- an unwillingness to put any sort of responsibility on the other person based on their race, appearance or political leanings...it gives people an excuse to behave like field mice as it is much easier to acquiesce and keep your head down than it is to stand and speak up for what is right, even if/when no one else is doing it.
It is small wonder we get such looks when people hear we are knights...the idea of being courageous, of standing against any and all opposition for what's right- it is an alien concept, alien because it goes against the grain of this movement where we must coddle everyone else at our own expense.
Too bad you can't take a bat to some of the parents of those kids...they didn't come to this way of thinking solely on their own.
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Wow. Well, I guess this is what the Liberal/Socialist education drive has been leading up to eh? ;)
Great Job Canada! Frikkin great job!
It sucks here too. Just last year I had to read a book where the main character I'm supposed to identify with beats his wives with a stick about every 4 pages, all because it's traidtional, and I'm supposed to look upon the White invaders as evil because they retaliate for the killing of their messengers and people.
You know, I really get a kick out of the political correctness folks. I think at this point it's simply an excuse to know nothing at all, and claim you're being "Accepting"
Two things I'll note about them. Their entire philosophy is self-contradictory, if not outright hypocritical. They are good and fine about accepting anyone, until someone with different ideas (Usually me trying to uphold morals or something apparantly unimportant) and they flip the absolute hell out. I've been called a Imperialist (I'm proud of that one), a rascist (apparantly it's not cool to retaliate to acts of war, which translates into race.....somehow), a homophobe (because anyone who feels that Homosexuality is wrong wants to mass-murder them right?), a fascist (laughed), and simply a terrible person.
Point is, they act all accepting of everything......... .....that isn't exactly what they believe. Oops. Back to square one......
Also, it's kinda hilarious that in all honesty, I'm probably technically more politically correct than the politcal correctness gurus, not confusing races, religions, and countries of origin (minor details, right?)
I love listening to a major PC (political correcness) guru call someone Arab when they should have said Muslim. However, they really cannot wrap their mind around respect of other cultures whilst maintaining identity of one's own. I don't really see how respect for something must come at the direct expense of another.
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I am extremely disappointed...but not shocked or even caught unawares. I still say this got started with the O'Hair woman and snowballed- whoever came up with 'political correctness' should have their nose and ears hacked off.
These students did not evince a strong response because it didn't happen to them or anyone they knew personally. So for them, it is more of an abstract concept than a hard and fast truth...they don't have to deal with the aftermath, repercussions or turmoil that will ensue. As such, it is just another blurb in the news to them.
Some would blame the gratuitous violence in movies and games as the reason why these kids are so desensitized...I would not agree. If they are unable to know the difference between entertainment media and real life, there is a larger problem that needs to be addressed yet...no one seems willing or able to do it on a larger scale. Myself included. Sometimes, it seems hard just to care about some things...especially when they don't affect me or mine directly, but that's a pretty poor way to look at things and I am working on it. That doesn't mean that empathy is null and void for me...just that there seems to be a glut of things that need real consideration, and not enough time or people to care enough to do so. It really does boil down to an individual's outlook on things...which is kind of sad in a way.
In the article, he mentions that some of the students couldn't or wouldn't even look up to view the image- to me, that smacks of that PC bs I call cowardice. That's all political correctness is- an unwillingness to put any sort of responsibility on the other person based on their race, appearance or political leanings...it gives people an excuse to behave like field mice as it is much easier to acquiesce and keep your head down than it is to stand and speak up for what is right, even if/when no one else is doing it.
It is small wonder we get such looks when people hear we are knights...the idea of being courageous, of standing against any and all opposition for what's right- it is an alien concept, alien because it goes against the grain of this movement where we must coddle everyone else at our own expense.
Too bad you can't take a bat to some of the parents of those kids...they didn't come to this way of thinking solely on their own.
AMEN Brother!
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Verily, True words, good Sir William! :)
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It is one thing to accept cultural differences, but turning a blind eye to basic human rights violations masquerading as tradition is quite another.
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I have Aspergers Syndrome and thus an almost total lack of empathy, but that is a medical thing.
However....
Right is Right. Wrong is Wrong. Cowardice is Wrong. Courage is Right. Hacking a woman's nose off like that is Wrong. Shooting the bastards who did it in the head is Right.
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You know, I totally missed that this had occurred in Canada but really, so what? I think it is indicative of the education system en total, regardless of locality. I am quite sure this same level of apathy is evident in our own school systems. I actually have an example that is close to home for me.
My 15 year old nephew got sucker punched at a party last month- a house full of kids (parents were there as well) and no one did anything. After he got his bearings together, he went and sat back down on the couch. He's sitting there, fluid filling up in his eye socket and the kids responsible were still present as well. Not a peep out of anyone, except for one girl whose party it was. Apathy. They saw, and did nothing. The kid who hit him actually bragged about it on FB. Seems he liked the girl whose party it was, and took umbrage when she showed my nephew attention (prior to the incident).
According to the doctor, he will have to get his eye checked every year for the rest of his life; no more sports for him- especially contact sports, so there goes football. He is still having vision problems.
I'm waiting to see what 'the law' will do about it.
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now its time to sue!! both the party involved and the household it was at!
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now its time to sue!! both the party involved and the household it was at!
Woo! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! ;)
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I would rather the young offender have to see the inside of a cell for this- or take a bat to his knee and end his basketball hopes.
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It is one thing to accept cultural differences, but turning a blind eye to basic human rights violations masquerading as tradition is quite another.
I think this really hits the nail on the head.
I don't necessarily feel that the students in the story are truly apathetic to what happened. Many may feel inside that it is quite wrong, but they have been taught to withhold any judgement by an overwhelmingly bland and PC society that's deepest fear is to offend someone's sentiments instead of take a stand for what is right. This ultra-tolerance just breeds a culture of acceptance of what some would consider true evil.
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now its time to sue!! both the party involved and the household it was at!
I would rather the young offender have to see the inside of a cell for this- or take a bat to his knee and end his basketball hopes.
IMO the best payback would be to first sue the family for a truckload of money. Take some of said money and then buy a baseball bat to demolish the perpetrator’s kneecaps thereby ending his hopes of a basketball scholarship/career then use the remainder on legal fees to keep your nephew out of jail. ;)
It is one thing to accept cultural differences, but turning a blind eye to basic human rights violations masquerading as tradition is quite another.
I think this really hits the nail on the head.
I don't necessarily feel that the students in the story are truly apathetic to what happened. Many may feel inside that it is quite wrong, but they have been taught to withhold any judgement by an overwhelmingly bland and PC society that's deepest fear is to offend someone's sentiments instead of take a stand for what is right. This ultra-tolerance just breeds a culture of acceptance of what some would consider true evil.
Well stated and righteous perceptions gentlemen! :)
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Truly! Evil must not be tolerated, no matter how many times one gets called the bad guy by the perpetrators!
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Brian, I am beginning to suspect that we are a lot more alike than I had previously thought...it was like you took the thought right from my brain-pan!
The thing that irks me is this: had they actually fought, this kid would've been in trouble. My nephew's no slouch, and even though years of training in karate doesn't necessarily make you good- he was good. Those sorts of programs don't really prepare kids for this type of instance...I see them more as ways to learn honor, discipline and maybe get into physical form but they are still kids and are taught to keep their hands to themselves. Well...the ones who have parents that actually give a damn about their kids.
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Yeah. I take Karate, and it's not of much particular use in a lot of situations. However, I also take a self defense/Karate-based class (by the same guys) and it's great.
There are few situations where I'd fight with someone (That junk kinda sticks to records if done in inopportune places nowadays), but self-defense is an entirely different matter.
He's struck at you already, so he obviously wants to injure you, so IMO, I'd better keep at it until he can't hit me any more. Simple logic, really :)
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Sadness...truly.
Sir William, I am sorry for your example, yet I have a tendency to agree with Ian, but in the fact the kids have become de-sensitized with vid-games that are graphic, violent, etc.....
I think the problem lies (in your case), in the fact that they were probably shocked that something like that happened in THEIR world, if you take my meaning. It wasn't a game, but something they witnessed, and it was no longer a "game".... My condolences, good Sir....