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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Ulrich on 2011-11-10, 08:00:32
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Well with the Halloween season over I finally got some pics of myself in my full current kit. Enjoy:
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Still think I need a coif though cause it would be a lot better than that stupid arming cap I am currently using.
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Wow you really brought that all together great! Looks really good Sir Ulrich! :)
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Looking good!
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Looks good ;)
G.
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Looking good!
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Nice job!
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still need to blacken that helm
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sooooooooooo much better!!
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I like it.
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I actually like my new outfit and the chausses are actually quite comfortable. I just cant stand how big and chunky the braies are, starting to think I should of ordered the 14th century ones because my folks make fun of them saying they look like a diaper...
Also need to work on my maille and tailor it a bit but I aint doing that till I meet someone with experience to show me how, dont wanna end up screwing up my maille shirt.
Any suggestions on what to add to it?
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If the braies are really chunky, they might be a size or two too big. The kit is looking good!
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If you think the braies will get you ribbed, just wait till you start sporting 15th century hosen around the house! ;)
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Massive braies are all the rage my dear boy, be proud of your under garments.
These poor chaps complained about the volumous fit of their thunder pants so many times, that they met a rather sticky end
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Ours always get a laugh out of the MOPs if nothing else lol.
G.
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So who's gonna start the jokes about wearing massive brais and being hung, er...I mean hanged? ;)
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So who's gonna start the jokes about wearing massive brais and being hung, er...I mean hanged? ;)
lmao :D
G.
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Well done. Surely and image to strike fear in Saracen and Pagans alike. ;)
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Thanks guys, anyway I thought they were supposed to be mega baggy, I actually sorta like the baggyness they're more comfortable than skinny jeans I normally wear. I just get tired of the diaper jokes my folks say constantly it irritates me. Currently I am working on a surcoat, gonna resize my knights templar one to add to the kit, still want a new helm though the current one I got I think is too big for me.
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I think the kit is looking great. I agree that the helm does need blackened, though. Still, the progress is amazing!
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Dumb Question: What time & place is the kit for?
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Late 1200s early 1300s. That explains why I went for mainly maille. Still not getting plate till I fill out though or find a nice place that sells it custom fitted in the design I'm looking for. And yes I do gotta blacken my helm I just haven't gotten around to it still think I should use a blacken solution rather than a paint because I still want a metallic look to it.
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Don't worry about the braies commentary...chalk it up to their ignorance. In that era, everyone wore them like that...skinny jeans would've been cause for humor and japery. Your kit looks good, the mail especially...I like it.
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I just get tired of the diaper jokes my folks say constantly it irritates me.
This is part of the reason men at arms carried weapons.
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Sir James has got the right idea. None will say a thing, even with 15th century hosen, simply with the addition of a mere polearm of ones choice ;)
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Yes, I've found it useful to say something like "Be careful what you say to the one holding the weapon."
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Or just tell them you needed the extra space and give them the time to figure it out. lol
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Yeah, thankfully you cant really see them in my full kit you just see the legs of the chausses. Just need a new gambeson though and to tailor this maille. It's VERY uncomfortable when it flops around and whatnot which is why I deliberately purchased the smallest size I could get to get rid of too much weight, turns out this smallest size was just not small enough.. Don't want to ruin the maille though in a failed attempt to tailor it plus finding riveted blackened rings to match the rest of it's gonna be a pain.
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Yeah, thankfully you cant really see them in my full kit you just see the legs of the chausses. Just need a new gambeson though and to tailor this maille. It's VERY uncomfortable when it flops around and whatnot which is why I deliberately purchased the smallest size I could get to get rid of too much weight, turns out this smallest size was just not small enough.. Don't want to ruin the maille though in a failed attempt to tailor it plus finding riveted blackened rings to match the rest of it's gonna be a pain.
Don't stress about the mail too much. It takes extensive, extensive mistakes to ruin it - it's just rings linked together. If you tailor it and it's still too loose, remove some more rings. If it's too tight, cut it and add some rings back in. Unless you're trying to convert the elbows to 45* joins or make some "structural" alteration, chances of ruining it are extremely slim. If it's GDFB riveted mail, their loose rings should match - I have the IceFalcon loose rings and they match the other IceFalcon assembled mail I've purchased.
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Guess that means I should go buy some icefalcon riveted rings and a riveting tool. Dunno how to get the riveting tool but I know where to find the rings. Dunno if it's a better buy to get the GDFB ones or the icefalcon ones, I'd assume icefalcon because I'd be getting more bang for my buck.
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My #1 piece of advice when altering mail is that it's better to remove too little than too much. You can always take out a little more if you need to, but it's hard to add it back in when you're dealing with rivets. I'd take out a little, and lace it together and see how it fits before re-linking anything.
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Guess that means I should go buy some icefalcon riveted rings and a riveting tool. Dunno how to get the riveting tool but I know where to find the rings. Dunno if it's a better buy to get the GDFB ones or the icefalcon ones, I'd assume icefalcon because I'd be getting more bang for my buck.
IceFalcon has the riveting tool with the rings too. If you call him to order, just tell him what you want and he'll invoice you for it. In my experience, the pliers should match the maker of the rings - my Historic Enterprises pliers don't work with the IceFalcon rings, and the IF pliers don't work well with the HE rings.
Sir Edward's advice is spot on - remove a little, check, retry. It's like the old carpenter saying "measure twice, cut once".
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If it's any help at all, in the workbench section Sir William posted my process of how I did mine.
I'm happy with my maille. It turned out well. :)
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I may need some assistance tailoring my maille as I cant even get my hauberk on myself. Time to pester my folks I guess. The most uncomfortable part of my kit is the maille flopping around with excess weight. Just need some butted rings to do it with, then later riveted rings. I may just make the sleeves taper but then I may have MORE trouble putting the thing on.
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Yeah, narrower sleeves will be a little more difficult to put on, but it'll fit a lot better when you're done. Just remember to only take out a little at a time and lace it shut or only use butt-links while test-fitting. The diameter at the elbow has to be large enough to accommodate bending your arm, and it's easy to take out too much there. It's probably safest to do a linear taper from the armpit all the way to the wrist, if they're full-length sleeves.
I think where I ended up on my half-sleeves was roughly about 2" more space than I thought I needed just by pinching it together at the elbow. But I'm just guessing based on memory.
So like I said, don't take out too much on the first attempt.
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Yeah. Getting the measurements right is super important.
And it isn't that much harder to get on, really :)
BTW, the feel is just so much better, you will wonder how you did anything in your maille once you do it.
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I need to get to work on this...what with all those spare rings Sir James gave me, shouldn't be too much of an issue. Just time...and COD:MW3 has been taking up a lot of it. lol
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Now to find a source of butted 9MM links to seal the seams up. Anyone know which one to get? I don't need MANY just a few for the 2 arm seams, also gonna get some riveted ones once I make a more permanent solution.
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I have a whole bag of I believe 8mm links, Ulrich...you're welcome to a good number of them once I'm finished. Knowing you'd be waiting on them would be the impetus I need to get moving on it. Let me know.
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Butted links are also very easy to make. You just go to the hardware store, buy a spool of steel wire (usually used for electric fences and the like) and buy a steel dowel rod of the inner diameter you want, wrap it around tightly in a coil, and then use wire cutters to cut the links free. It's a cheap way to get bulk butted links. If you just need the links to temporarily hold closed your maille while you're fitting it for eventual riveting, this is a good way to do it.
The links don't even need to be the perfect size if just for temporary use. It's labor intensive, but it works, and it's cheap.
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Butted links are also very easy to make. You just go to the hardware store, buy a spool of steel wire (usually used for electric fences and the like) and buy a steel dowel rod of the inner diameter you want, wrap it around tightly in a coil, and then use wire cutters to cut the links free. It's a cheap way to get bulk butted links. If you just need the links to temporarily hold closed your maille while you're fitting it for eventual riveting, this is a good way to do it.
The links don't even need to be the perfect size if just for temporary use. It's labor intensive, but it works, and it's cheap.
I did it this way a long time ago, and had a small wooden jig I made for it, and used my drill (slowwwwwwly) to wind them. I've probably got some "springs" (which is what they come off like) floating around I can send you, Sir Ulrich. I'll check the diameter of them.
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Agreed Ian. Iset up a mandrel and churned out 250 link springs in about 2 minutes. Add another few minutes to cut them and BAM, you're done! This link shows you how to get started:
http://www.mailleartisans.org/articles/articledisplay.cgi?key=202 (http://www.mailleartisans.org/articles/articledisplay.cgi?key=202)
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Well I am gonna get to work on this as soon as I get the rings hopefully in time for wicked faire. Gonna start with butted links then once I get some riveted ones I'll finish it off, only problem, the butted links most likely wont be the same color as the rest of the links, oh well I don't need many either.
Only issue for me is I plan on getting a new gambeson, so wearing this over my current one may not work out. Maybe thats what I'll get for Christmas, a new gambeson, still debating because I think linen is less durable under maille due to the fibers being less tightly woven. My current gambeson is just a tube as well and isn't tailored to the body so it actually works for this kind of maille.
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I did it this way a long time ago, and had a small wooden jig I made for it, and used my drill (slowwwwwwly) to wind them. I've probably got some "springs" (which is what they come off like) floating around I can send you, Sir Ulrich. I'll check the diameter of them.
This shows how crazy I am. I used a 3/8" aluminum rod, 3 feet long, and stuck it in the end of my drill. Then I'd coil the wire onto it, without a jig or anything, just guiding with my hand, and coil the whole 3 foot rod in like 20 seconds. Probably a little dangerous. :)
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Ulrich, if the butted links are temporary, I wouldn't worry about them matching the links currently in your hauberk- if anything, it'll give it a 'used' look which actually looks better, if you get my meaning.
Also, I wouldn't move forward until you have the gambeson you want to wear underneath it- that way it'll be sized correctly. Again, I have a big bag of rings, you're welcome to what's left of it once I'm done with my project.
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I had a bunch just sitting around from previous tailoring projects. Got lucky there.
I don't even notice mine. Even though they are completely defferent, doign it the way I did places the seam on the lower inside of your arm, where it's never really seen.
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...doign it the way I did places the seam on the lower inside of your arm, where it's never really seen.
I did the same thing, and my rings don't match exactly, and it's not noticeable unless you inspect my haubergeon up close, and under my arms.
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I got a good look at Nathan's hauberk; you don't see them unless you're up close...less observant folks may not even mark the difference. We're knights, who cares anyway? ;)
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So THAT'S why putting on the spurs took so long! ;)
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New addition to my kit, just gotta find out how to blacken it. It doesnt quite fit under my kettle helm so I think I may have to get a new helmet, maybe i'll just get a great helm but I cant see a damn thing out of them.
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Congratulations, Sir Ulrich. I've no idea how to blacken it, I've been trying to figure out how to un-blacken mine without a squire.... :(
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Nice Sir Ulrich. I need to finsh tailoring mine so I know to do with a nice riveted one when I get it. :)
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Yeah, only thing i'm gonna do is add some leather ties to it maybe cut the aventail to be square and add a few rows of rings to the bottom so the necks a bit more closed. That is after I blacken it, cause the rings i currently have are Icefalcon ones plus the tool. Gotta work on my maille making skills I aint used to making riveted maille so I end up screwing up the weave :-\
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I was trying to find a topic about kits, and I guess this is the closest. First I have a FULL set of armor...which I collected over a period of time. I have never worn it, and wouldn't do so to a Ren Fr...it would be too hot. I also have assorted other items, breast plates, shoulder armor, arm bracers not included in my full set. But again, I don't intend to wear much armor at a Ren Fr....it would be too hot...and hey, I'm 66, and have a pacemaker...all I need is to get overheated and have a heart attack! But I just wanted to let you know I have several kits to say the least.
Sir John
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Feel free to start your own thread if you'd like to show off some of your armor. We're always happy to see pictures if you've got them! :)
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I second that notion- Sir John, we should like to see your collection of arms and armor!
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pictures Sir John or you have to mail it all to me
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Nice acquisition Sir Ulrich! Concerning Great Helms, got to be careful. Find one that fits and one that has good visibility in regards to the eye slits. Be careful.
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Well, when i eventually get knighted, here's my vigil/knighting kit according to what they wore back then. I thought I had a poc of my full set of armor, but I can't find it on my hard drive...must be on a CD. I did find one of the top part of that armor. Next week I'll have to take some pics of my stuff...I have some awesome looking swords.
Sir John
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Very nice Sir John! Very nice, I like both the vigil outfit and the armor from the picture. Take your time, and I can see that your knighting will be awesome. I can see mine to be not far (in the future) and hopefully awesome as yours. ;)
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more pictures ;) hhehehe
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I intend not only to take still pictures, but to take video of my knighting.
Sir John