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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Leganoth on 2011-09-16, 04:08:49
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Sabatons first of all, do they have a bottom? Is it just a metal boot or does it cover a shoe or what.
Anyways its hard to find full leg armor that matches my kit, I dont want these common churburg sabatons but ill get them if i cant find others
I need greaves and upper thigh armor with front and back plates, any sites with some?
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What time period have you focused on for your kit?
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Also, how much are you willing to spend? I can tell you that 'off the rack' armor doesn't fit very well as its made to host a range of sizes. I had mine custom-made for me...really the best way to go, but not the only way.
Sabatons are a covering for the feet...they are not full steel boots. Depending on the time period you are looking to portray, you may not be looking for full legs w/wrap plates and cased greaves. A lot of leg armor was front facing, so viewing a knight from behind and you'd see a lot of straps and the leggings the armor's covering on the front.
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The max I could probably do for 1 leg would probably be 300 including thighs and greaves. Is there backs to the legs or is it all front
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then u arent gonna get much. good fitting greaves start at 1000-2000. sabs go for 300 and uppers can start at 300. greaves are the hardest part of the body to form. so many angles to that part of the leg. off the rack stuff can be had at kult of athena.com
sabatons dont have bottoms. they are usually strapped at the ankle to the back part and then pointed at the toe
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If you're doing 15th century, lower legs weren't always armoured. Good way to get around the expensive greave problem :P
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Sir Wolf is giving you the upper end of the fighter's spectrum...full-on custom armor can cost as much as a car, but there's good munitions-class armor to be had. I suggest talking to Allan Senefelder at The Mercenary's Tailor - check out his site: http://www.merctailor.com (http://www.merctailor.com)
By the way, you can only get leg armor in pairs (as there was no real precedent, at least not medievally, in armoring only one leg) and you'll find that Allan's legs are well within your price range and a number of us here can vouch for his quality and workmanship. I have had two pairs of his greaves, both under $100 and both very well fitting, if I might add- but it is entirely up to you.
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I, too, would recomend Merc Taylor. It might be beneficial to know your focused time period, though. If you are doing very early, Sabatons may not be period. You might also get away with just mail chausses, which aren't really any cheaper. While you are building your kit, I would focus on protecting the more vital areas: body, head, even arms. You can always add leg armor later.
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Also there is Anshelm Arms, Clang armoury, and Icefalcon Armoury, etc
http://www.anshelmarms.com/ (http://www.anshelmarms.com/)
http://www.icefalcon.com/ (http://www.icefalcon.com/)
http://clang.adkinssoftware.com/ (http://clang.adkinssoftware.com/)
http://jamesriverarmoury.com/legs.htm (http://jamesriverarmoury.com/legs.htm)
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Sir Wolf is giving you the upper end of the fighter's spectrum...full-on custom armor can cost as much as a car, but there's good munitions-class armor to be had. I suggest talking to Allan Senefelder at The Mercenary's Tailor - check out his site: http://www.merctailor.com (http://www.merctailor.com)
By the way, you can only get leg armor in pairs (as there was no real precedent, at least not medievally, in armoring only one leg) and you'll find that Allan's legs are well within your price range and a number of us here can vouch for his quality and workmanship. I have had two pairs of his greaves, both under $100 and both very well fitting, if I might add- but it is entirely up to you.
Hmm i see does he only make stuff on the catalog or does he make specials? Also i Am leaning toward late crusades
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Sorry, friend. Late crusades is too early for plate leg armour. :P
The first real full plate thigh defenses really start kicking around in about 1370 or so.
The later crusades (if you mean the crusades in the holy land) were in the 13th century. There your options are full chausses of maille, or chausses and padded cuisses.
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Sorry, friend. Late crusades is too early for plate leg armour. :P
The first real full plate thigh defenses really start kicking around in about 1370 or so.
The later crusades (if you mean the crusades in the holy land) were in the 13th century. There your options are full chausses of maille, or chausses and padded cuisses.
Meh...well, im not going for historical accuracy, kind just doing my own thing right now lol
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I second Allan at MercTailor. I have a set of his plate greaves; I'd take pics to show the quality of the work, but I just sent them out earlier this week for tweaking to be attached as a single-piece thigh to ankles leg harness. At his price, they're an absolute steal, and I can't stress that enough. He was not doing any custom work the last I spoke with him, but he has one of the widest varieties of "off the rack" armor I have seen; it is sized to your measurements, so "off the rack" simply meaning "stock patterns" and no custom work.
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I second Allan at MercTailor. I have a set of his plate greaves; I'd take pics to show the quality of the work, but I just sent them out earlier this week for tweaking to be attached as a single-piece thigh to ankles leg harness. At his price, they're an absolute steal, and I can't stress that enough. He was not doing any custom work the last I spoke with him, but he has one of the widest varieties of "off the rack" armor I have seen; it is sized to your measurements, so "off the rack" simply meaning "stock patterns" and no custom work.
I only saw like 5 things on the catalog though
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If you're doing 15th century, lower legs weren't always armoured. Good way to get around the expensive greave problem :P
ummm no i do not support this hehehe i have seen more greaves alone than full legs without greaves.
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I second Allan at MercTailor. I have a set of his plate greaves; I'd take pics to show the quality of the work, but I just sent them out earlier this week for tweaking to be attached as a single-piece thigh to ankles leg harness. At his price, they're an absolute steal, and I can't stress that enough. He was not doing any custom work the last I spoke with him, but he has one of the widest varieties of "off the rack" armor I have seen; it is sized to your measurements, so "off the rack" simply meaning "stock patterns" and no custom work.
I only saw like 5 things on the catalog though
Check around some of the armorers. Some of them only do 14th century, or 16th, or 15th, or soupcan knees/3pc/5pc, some who do arms/legs don't do body armor, some who do limbs & body don't do helms. The exception being if it's an online store that simply resells stuff made in India/Pakistan or a few of the large overseas producers. Allan has a great variety considering that it's all hand-made and all made by him/his employees.
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you need to do some more searching on the site, i think you may have only been to one page.
also, allan doesn't make true cased greaves that i know of, his have articulations at the top
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you need to do some more searching on the site, i think you may have only been to one page.
also, allan doesn't make true cased greaves that i know of, his have articulations at the top
Uhhh, this site only has 12 items under legs >_< http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=26 (http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=26)
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ok. u said like 5 for the site. he has 12 different legs, thats pretty good for a armourer.
but as you said you were looking for crusades so mail is what your legs would have been covered in. maybe padded chausis and simple knee cops. at most :}
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Just don't wear sabatons without greaves. That would look silly. :)
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There's a lot of things out there that would look silly paired (or not) up. I once saw a guy wearing mail under a padded gambeson. That's like wearing your smallclothes on the outside. lol
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There's a lot of things out there that would look silly paired (or not) up. I once saw a guy wearing mail under a padded gambeson. That's like wearing your smallclothes on the outside. lol
Actually that was sometimes done. But yeah, I think it's silly too. :)
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you need to do some more searching on the site, i think you may have only been to one page.
also, allan doesn't make true cased greaves that i know of, his have articulations at the top
Uhhh, this site only has 12 items under legs >_< http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=26 (http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=26)
That's because he makes all of them. If you find a site with more, there is a 99% chance they are just reselling someone else's stuff - most likely GDFB or India/Pakistan armor, which is "one size fits you, or you modify it yourself". I haven't seen an armorer with prices like MercTailor and the diversity he has who makes all their own stuff, and I've had armor for 15 years. Just some friendly advice to try to save you wasting money on things that probably won't fit well and you'll end up replacing. :)
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you need to do some more searching on the site, i think you may have only been to one page.
also, allan doesn't make true cased greaves that i know of, his have articulations at the top
Hmm i see, im probably going to get the legs for 277 $
Uhhh, this site only has 12 items under legs >_< http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=26 (http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=26)
That's because he makes all of them. If you find a site with more, there is a 99% chance they are just reselling someone else's stuff - most likely GDFB or India/Pakistan armor, which is "one size fits you, or you modify it yourself". I haven't seen an armorer with prices like MercTailor and the diversity he has who makes all their own stuff, and I've had armor for 15 years. Just some friendly advice to try to save you wasting money on things that probably won't fit well and you'll end up replacing. :)
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Hmm i see, im probably going to get the legs for 277 $
One of my favorite styles! :)
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Leganoth, as Sir James said, if you see a plethora of armor, especially of differing styles, chances are you're looking at a reseller's site, not a manufacturer. I can also personally vouch for Allan's wares as I had two sets of vambraces and greaves, as well as a gorget and spaulders...all well made and durable.
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Jolly knight also offers sabatons at custom sizes as well. Relatively reasonable too as it will be fitted to your body. They run for 150 which is within your budget as well.
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If you're doing 15th century, lower legs weren't always armoured. Good way to get around the expensive greave
ummm no i do not support this hehehe i have seen more greaves alone than full legs without greaves.
While it may be very uncommon, I have seen dipictions of that style of armouring. It isn't the best representation of what was typically done, but it did happen. + you save about 1000$
ummm no i do not support this hehehe i have seen more greaves alone than full legs without greaves.