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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Ulrich on 2011-08-12, 03:35:43
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Ok so I ordered some rings from GDFB 2 months ago and they still haven't come. I am gonna call them tomorrow to cancel the order because I for one am tired of waiting for something I could easily get elsewhere. Anyone know any other good sources of riveted maille rings that I can order to replace the rings that are damaged in my hauberk. (only a few rings are missing rivets, maybe around roughly 10 or 15). I don't mind them not matching the rest of the hauberk as long as they got a blackened texture on them I'm not too picky about what kind of rivet they have as long as I can buy a riveting tool cheaply.. Debating on just getting them from Icefalcon cause I know if I order them there I WILL get them...
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I believe Icefalcon's the one to go to these days...I think Rautskegg knows him; www.icefalcon.com (http://www.icefalcon.com) I think it is.
I wonder what the hold up is with GDFB though, they're usually very good at getting product out, or so I thought.
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Yeah, I back-ordered some through KoA months ago, and still no word. No idea what's going on.
This was with the Sugarloaf helm that I ended up selling to Ser William. That gives you an idea of the time-frame.
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Wow...I've had that myself for two months now. :)
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Hey, the Hauberk I ordered is GDFB. Came in less than a week.
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IceFalcon is backordered as much or longer sometimes; I think I waited 3 1/2 months for my mail skirt. His prices are reasonable and he's very responsive if you contact him, so I've bought from him a few times, but a quick phone call or email to see if he has them in stock might be good. GDFB backorders can take a while sometimes, and if it's backordered from GDFB, the only chance of getting it now would be someone who has it in stock already.
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You bought a maille skirt? You're gonna armor up your wife? Been trying to talk my wife into doin that for the past coupla years. lol
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lol. That's why I usually refer to it as a mail fauld. :)
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tee-hee cross dressing knights!
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I'm quite annoyed that my rings aren't arriving anytime soon. As I said I planned to use them to replace the crappy rings in my hauberk (prolly roughly 30 rings to replace I would gather, judging by the 5 rings that the rivets came OUT of >_>) and to make myself a set of maille gloves or mittens.
http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?77236-My-quot-new-quot-maille-gloves...-Mark-I (http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?77236-My-quot-new-quot-maille-gloves...-Mark-I)
Now that is exactly what I want to make basically, a set of gloves like that with riveted maille on the back of them, maybe even the plated cuffs as well. Just not sure the diameter the rings are if thats 9MM or 6 MM maille, I'd assume you need 6MM due to fingers being smaller.
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That is a rather ambitious project, Ulrich...lookin forward to see what you come up with.
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I was going to suggest Therion Arms riveted maille mitten swatches (http://therionarms.com/misc/therionarms_s018.html) which, unfortunately, appear to be sold. :(
All the GDFB mail mitten rings are round and all the butted and riveted appear to be back ordered everywhere (even on the GDFB corporate website (http://www.casiberia.com/prod_Detail.aspx?ID=AB2752)).
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lol. That's why I usually refer to it as a mail fauld. :)
Can I borrow that idea? I posted about it today on another forum and someone gave me a description of how to fix the neckline - and I realized they probably thought I meant shirt. Sigh.
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Yeah, that will probably help avoid misunderstandings. :)
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lol. That's why I usually refer to it as a mail fauld. :)
Can I borrow that idea? I posted about it today on another forum and someone gave me a description of how to fix the neckline - and I realized they probably thought I meant shirt. Sigh.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa...that made my morning, Sir James. Glad to know I'm not the only one who 'misunderstood'! lol
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So my rings did come today, only problem is the riveting tool was on back order as well which irritates me to an extreme. Also there weren't nearly enough rings in the bag as I had hoped as well as them not matching my Icefalcon hauberk, they're NOT blackened and they are .5 MM bigger than the ones from Icefalcon, so much for making maille gloves now I guess I'm gonna have to make mittens instead. I AM impressed by how neatly punched the holes are, I just don't want to rivet each individual ring so anyone know where I can get solid rings?
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i don't get it. are your rivets wedge and your shirt is pin rivet?
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Nope they're both ALL dome riveted, I just don't feel like riveting extra rings when I could save some effort by making some of the rings solid. They also lack the blackened texture the Icefalcon stuff has so I gotta keep them oiled. I only planned to make maille gloves with them anyway but I think they're too big to do that with now so I gotta make mittens instead.
Heres a pic of how they look:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/314259_2366632008493_1331193069_3781146_3165355_n.jpg)
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A difference of .5mm would be hard to see, even up close, unless someone is really into armor and would know what to look for. I wouldn't worry about that too much, but I know exactly how you feel with matching up everything.
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A difference of .5mm would be hard to see, even up close, unless someone is really into armor and would know what to look for. I wouldn't worry about that too much, but I know exactly how you feel with matching up everything.
Add to this the fact that ring variation exists in historical pieces and I don't think you have much to worry about. :) Even a medieval master would've had difficulty keeping mail rings within 0.5 mm tolerances when everything was done by hand.
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Most of the rings that are missing a rivet don't even need anything done due to the ears overlapping they're not coming out anytime soon unless I force them out, I just get irritated because I want EVERY ring riveted. I think I don't even need to replace the ring, just put a rivet in and peen it over and I should be fine. I am gonna buy more of these rings and buy a bluing solution to blacken them then I'm gonna make mittens or 3 finger gloves with them. I am really impatient about the riveting tool arriving though.
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Hang in there on the riviting tool. I bought one from Historic Enterprises for dome-head rivited mail, and it just doesn't work with the IceFalcon mail - different size dome, or something. I bought the IceFalcon pliers, and they work fantastic. I suspect the HE dome heads are slightly larger than the IceFalcon ones, which I would have never guessed is the case before. If you have GDFB rings, get the GDFB pliers; if you have IceFalcon rings, get the IceFalcon pliers; etc.
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Thats what worries me the most, guess I'm gonna have to buy Icefalcon stuff again to fix it up a bit. I haven't lost ANY rings though, just a few rivets thanks to riveted rings being MUCH better constructed than butted rings.
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Hey, not to derail the thread, but any of you know of a good rivet tool? I'm in need of one to do some riveting on belts, harnesses and such. Also, is there a separate tool for removing them? Thanks, all.
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Hey, not to derail the thread, but any of you know of a good rivet tool? I'm in need of one to do some riveting on belts, harnesses and such. Also, is there a separate tool for removing them? Thanks, all.
A soft piece of metal (for curved head rivits) and a ball-pien hammer. A drill and/or grinder to remove them with (which should hopefully never happen). If you're going to do "pop" rivits, there's a tool for that, but I won't even mention it because pop rivits make medievalists cry. ;)
It's been a while since I last set rivits, but I still have the tools for it if you want to give it a shot here before buying anything.
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That sounds good...I'll have to get it together and take pics in order to explain what it is I'm doing. I'll PM you once I get it all laid out. You'll laugh, probably, as it'll seem simple to you so maybe I'll just tell you.