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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Leganoth on 2011-08-09, 03:41:23
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Bought some chainmail chaps on amazon, the picture had 2 leggings and my package i opened and it was 1 leg, dissapointing because thats like false advertising. whatever though. 90$ a leg is okay i guess *dissapointed*
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Thats why I don't order from Amazon, I order from experienced armorers like Icefalcon, or decent outfitters such as Kult of Athena. Sure it may cost a bit more but in the end the quality is better and probably will last longer. I assume you ordered butted maille, that stuff falls apart easily, they sold riveted chausses at Icefalcon for around 300 bucks, and it comes in a pair...
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yeah but thats waaaaay too much for me im barely 17 and dont have a job, i have to go the cheaper way to get my stuff but i try to get good for the price. And yes its butted
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have your parent of guardian complain to the company or to amazon itself. copy and paste the false advertising of the 2 legs. 90 for both sounds better than just one. do you have a link on amazon to see it?
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Yes, I'd like to see the link too. If they really did imply that it's two legs, I'd complain.
Otherwise, $90/leg ($180 total) isn't a terrible price actually, if it's at all well made. I know it's a lot on a teenager's budget though. :)
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Ugh, I know! Don't even get me started!
I'm 16. Man do I know your pain.
Here's a little tip. Cheater Chausses. If you can't squeeze the other leg outta the schmucks, then check out the thread I posted in "The Armoury" section here. Once my chausses come from Therion and my seamstress does her work, I'll get some pics up with my Teutonic Knight kit.
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Show us the link, Leganoth, let us have a look at it.
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have your parent of guardian complain to the company or to amazon itself. copy and paste the false advertising of the 2 legs. 90 for both sounds better than just one. do you have a link on amazon to see it?
Got the link right here http://www.amazon.com/General-Edge-Chainmail-Armor-Pants/dp/B004VSG7AY (http://www.amazon.com/General-Edge-Chainmail-Armor-Pants/dp/B004VSG7AY)
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Gahh! Those scumbags default are inferring in every single way possible that there are two! Refers to everything in plural, and even has an image of two! >:(
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That's crap. >:(
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This version covers the front of both thighs and the front and back of the lower leg. It is constructed with zinc-plated 18 gauge steel in the traditional 4-in-1 linked pattern.
I agree have your parents complain. The ad states that IT covers BOTH THIGHS. Also be sure to post a review of the product so maybe you can help someone else avoid this.
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What rubbish, I'd return it and get my money back because thats false advertising.
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Yeah i was planning on having my mom complain and try to get 1 for free or somthing because even the receipt says "protective leg proctectors"
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Also, on topic of my chain legs, would these boots be good to wear with them? http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-889-medieval-high-boot-without-fringe.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-889-medieval-high-boot-without-fringe.aspx)
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I have those boots and they're rather uncomfortable and the size runs small (or maybe thats just the Robin Hood ones I have). I highly suggest GDFB shoes though at Kult of Athena if you want something rather cheap and accurate. http://www.kultofathena.com/clothing.asp (http://www.kultofathena.com/clothing.asp) For boots with chausses I would assume you actually need low boots for them so I'd go for a lower boot or shoe. Of course before any of that you'd actually need some padded chausses to put under the maille as well.
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That Amazon add definitely does state that it covers both thighs, thus it would be two pieces. I would complain profusely about this and if they are not willing to send a second one, I would return it and post a negative reveiw warning other potential buyers that it is only one. The Medieval Collectibles boots you reference are periodish for a number of time frames, but they are not authentic. It might help if you gave us an idea of the time frame you are working on. I would second the GDFB suggestion, at the price point they sell at they are the most accurate shoes you will find, they are pretty good for any price in fact. I've seen many more expensive shoes that were less authentic. I understand your budget concerns, but I would definitely save up and buy fewer quality pieces than alot of cheaper pieces of armor. In the long run, you will spend less, have a better quality armor and a better looking kit overall. I know it will take time and requires disipline and patience, but it is the better route to go. I certainly learned that lesson, fortuanately before I began to buy alot of armor, swords on the other hand... well I have a lot of very cheap wasters to test my quality blades on when I get them ;)
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http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=42&osCsid=3ebec1aaeac808122e2672a0571b706e (http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=42&osCsid=3ebec1aaeac808122e2672a0571b706e)
best place online to get period shoes
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I second Sir Matt. Save your time and money. That doesn't mean wait until you can buy all your armour from Historic Enterprises (as nice as it may be) but only buy from dealers with a good reputation. And ask around. It's very likely someone here would have had dealings with them, or possess something similar to the product you are looking to buy and give you advice and such.
It'll be worth it in the end. Trust me, I'm 16, and also have NO dependable income.
Good luck! (And get that other Bloody leg! :o)
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I would speak to the seller who actually sent it to you through Amazon, here's his link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/seller/at-a-glance.html?ie=UTF8&seller=A36NIL00HJ3IIY (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/seller/at-a-glance.html?ie=UTF8&seller=A36NIL00HJ3IIY)
Amazon doesn't have any real control over its user end storefronts, I think you should contact the seller directly, that way you can get the issue resolved in a more timely fashion. In looking through his feedback, he has only a very small number in proportion to the positive feedback, and the negative comments generally deal with the quality of a piece, or shipping time but nothing underhanded.
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I agree with what others have said. I'd complain. It's always possible they made a mistake and only packed one when they should have included two, and will ship the other when you complain. If it was intentional, then it's false advertising, and they should take it back and give you a refund.
Also, on topic of my chain legs, would these boots be good to wear with them? http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-889-medieval-high-boot-without-fringe.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-889-medieval-high-boot-without-fringe.aspx)
Those look like the typical minnetonka boots that a lot of retailers carry. They're cheap, so they can be a great starter set for folks. But they're not a medieval design. And they have their limitations. The sole is a thin piece of leather, and you'll feel every single rock you step on. They're also not the least bit water-resistant, and soak right through if you walk on wet ground. I used mine for a couple of years before investing in better footwear.
These days I use boots from Sandlar and Son of Sandlar. They're not period correct either, but they're well made and water-proof, and look medievalish. However, they're a lot more expensive, so it might be above your budget.
http://sonofsandlar.com/products-page/boots/ (http://sonofsandlar.com/products-page/boots/)
(With my mail leggings, I wear the "James' Boots", and the rest of the time I use the "Low Buckle Boots")
I haven't tried them yet, but the ankle-boots from GDFB that Kult of Athena sells look good. (http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=GB1009&name=13th+C+Soldier+Shoes+with+Buckles (http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=GB1009&name=13th+C+Soldier+Shoes+with+Buckles)). They have a decent period look. And the ones I bought from Revival Clothing that were almost identical were very comfortable, though the soles fell off after only a few days of use, so I can't recommend the Revival version.
Just keep in mind that most period shoes/boots have much thinner soles than you're used to with modern footwear, and you will feel the rocks and twigs a lot more. Bu the Minnatonkas are probably the most tiresome on your feet.
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My Revival Clothing ankle boots are great. I can't complain about them.
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http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=42&osCsid=3ebec1aaeac808122e2672a0571b706e (http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=42&osCsid=3ebec1aaeac808122e2672a0571b706e)
best place online to get period shoes
I'll second Sir Wolf's endorsement of Viking Leathercrafts. They are a distributor for Westland Crafts (http://www.westlandcrafts.com/index_02.php) and provide excellent value and customer service. I have the 14th Century buckled ankle boots (http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=42_51) and couldn’t be happier with the value for the $. As this was my first period footwear purchase, I have no experience with the other suppliers mentioned.
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What do you gents think of these boots? Forget the velcro, look at it from the outside and tell me.
http://www.renaissancemodel.com/renaissance-high-leather-boots-840.html# (http://www.renaissancemodel.com/renaissance-high-leather-boots-840.html#)
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I think they would be good for a late period 3/4 harness. Anything from late 15th century to the 17th century.
Maybe Civilian riding boots earlier.
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I was thinking that...the velcro is not a big factor as I'm not in the habit of dressing up or down w/spectators, but wondered about the overall look. I'm shooting for late 14th but I also know me- I'll wear what looks good.
I am aware, however, that it would get me into trouble with those groups that focus on historicity- but as I'm not a member of any, I'm ok. :)
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Yeah, that's basically it. They're not at all period correct for the 14th, but they look good to the unwashed masses. So you'll be fine as long as you're not aiming for true historical accuracy. :)
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True historical accuracy seems to cost more...so maybe when I'm a bit older, or catch more grief from you guys. ;)
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Sir Wolf, Initiate the historical accuracy GRIEF!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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No, no, lets not stir him up please....not yet anyways. lol
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Haha, Sir Wolf, we're on standby till MDRF........... :P :P :P
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You know what's funny? He (Wolf) has this disarming smile, you'll find yourself nodding along with him whether or not you truly agree. lol
James Barker looks like he'd enforce historicity given the opportunity...he just looks mean. But he's really not, that's what's funny.
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Where could i get padded chausess for under im using tights atm
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That Amazon add definitely does state that it covers both thighs, thus it would be two pieces. I would complain profusely about this and if they are not willing to send a second one, I would return it and post a negative reveiw warning other potential buyers that it is only one. The Medieval Collectibles boots you reference are periodish for a number of time frames, but they are not authentic. It might help if you gave us an idea of the time frame you are working on. I would second the GDFB suggestion, at the price point they sell at they are the most accurate shoes you will find, they are pretty good for any price in fact. I've seen many more expensive shoes that were less authentic. I understand your budget concerns, but I would definitely save up and buy fewer quality pieces than alot of cheaper pieces of armor. In the long run, you will spend less, have a better quality armor and a better looking kit overall. I know it will take time and requires disipline and patience, but it is the better route to go. I certainly learned that lesson, fortuanately before I began to buy alot of armor, swords on the other hand... well I have a lot of very cheap wasters to test my quality blades on when I get them ;)
I am going for late medieval - crusades
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For the padded chausses, I would go with either Sword Nation (http://www.swordnation.com (http://www.swordnation.com)) or Kult of Athena (www.kultofathena.com (http://www.kultofathena.com)) for the best prices and largest selection- and no hassle service.
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So I looked at your guys post about shoes, most of them are brown colored my surcoat is white with a black cross, and brown boots would kinda clash so im probably going to be looking for black found these but not too sure, cant find much http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-5366-mens-medieval-low-boot.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-5366-mens-medieval-low-boot.aspx)
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Well if I cannot find boots I will just get sabatons instead of leather boots http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-3132-churburg-sabatons.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-3132-churburg-sabatons.aspx) these are best i could find and only one every site has
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You'll have to widen your search a little, Leganoth...Medieval Collectibles is a nice starting point, but it is hardly the most comprehensive resource for all things medieval.
I am thinking, at your age, at this stage of the game, you'll probably want to try out a lot of different things, which is easier to do if you're looking at the cheaper end of the scale. However, there are certain things you should not skimp on, especially when they can have an effect on your own personal comfort. Shoes, in particular, should fit well and be well made. You can find a great many modern style boots that will fit the bill, but very few medieval style that will be at least historically plausible AND in period for what you're after, you mentioned the Middle Ages/Crusades, which basically rules out thigh high or pirate boots.
Now if we're talking just shoes, you can get a good pair here: http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/index.php (http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/index.php)
The Viking or 13th Century shoes should fit the bill for you...many will not be able to tell the difference between the two, and they are probably the best you'll get at that price. Sir Wolf is intimately familiar with this brand if you need further information. For what its worth, I'll end up with a pair myself, if only because at some point I plan on going the fully historic route. Eventually.
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You'll have to widen your search a little, Leganoth...Medieval Collectibles is a nice starting point, but it is hardly the most comprehensive resource for all things medieval.
I am thinking, at your age, at this stage of the game, you'll probably want to try out a lot of different things, which is easier to do if you're looking at the cheaper end of the scale. However, there are certain things you should not skimp on, especially when they can have an effect on your own personal comfort. Shoes, in particular, should fit well and be well made. You can find a great many modern style boots that will fit the bill, but very few medieval style that will be at least historically plausible AND in period for what you're after, you mentioned the Middle Ages/Crusades, which basically rules out thigh high or pirate boots.
Now if we're talking just shoes, you can get a good pair here: http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/index.php (http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/index.php)
The Viking or 13th Century shoes should fit the bill for you...many will not be able to tell the difference between the two, and they are probably the best you'll get at that price. Sir Wolf is intimately familiar with this brand if you need further information. For what its worth, I'll end up with a pair myself, if only because at some point I plan on going the fully historic route. Eventually.
Yes i know i do tend to get stuck on medieval collectibles, bought a few things there but I did look at the viking site and found these as a choice http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42_53&products_id=247&osCsid=3ebec1aaeac808122e2672a0571b706e (http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42_53&products_id=247&osCsid=3ebec1aaeac808122e2672a0571b706e)
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those are great shoes A+ choice
padded legs
http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1027.html (http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1027.html)
http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1172.html (http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1172.html)
http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1028.html (http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1028.html)
http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1191.html (http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1191.html)
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Ser William the boots you are referencing look very similiar to late 16th/17th century bucket top boots, but rolled up of course. I would say they would pass the 10 foot rule for that period, but I would be suspicious of them for earlier periods. As you say though, you are not in a reenactment group are doing this more for fun and general looks, so I think if you like them, they look periodish so go for it.
I had forgotten Viking Leather Crafts, though I have never dealt with them myself, I hear good things. Another place to look at is Reconstructing History. They have a limited selection of footwear, most for later periods, and clothing patterns for a wide variety of time periods. Prices are prettty decent, quality is good and they are very easy to deal with. I bought a pair of latchet shoes from them and am thinking of picking up another pair, open side instead of the closed side I got this time, and a pair of Kuhlmale Landsknecht shoes.
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What do you gents think of these boots? Forget the velcro, look at it from the outside and tell me.
http://www.renaissancemodel.com/renaissance-high-leather-boots-840.html# (http://www.renaissancemodel.com/renaissance-high-leather-boots-840.html#)
look like pooh hehehehe
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THAT'S the historical accuracy harassment we were going for! ;D ;D ;D
And BTW, the Crusades (If you are referring to the Crusades for the holy land and not the Baltic or reconquista) were not in the late medieval period (15th century) For The crusades of Outremer, you're looking at 1096-1291. That's early-high medieval period.
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So I looked at your guys post about shoes, most of them are brown colored my surcoat is white with a black cross, and brown boots would kinda clash so im probably going to be looking for black found these but not too sure, cant find much http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-5366-mens-medieval-low-boot.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-5366-mens-medieval-low-boot.aspx)
I have the taller pair of these boots. My heal kept sliding to the side, wearing a hole in them after the third weekend. THIN sole, material is more of a coated plastic. They would make a good stage boot but that is all I would recommend. Your money is better elsewhere.
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Yeah, that's part of the reason I stick to Sandlar boots. They're not period, but they look medieval to the "danes", and they're waterproof, comfortable, and durable. If I'm going to be on my feet for 8 to 10 hours at a renfaire, I don't mind cheating if it means my feet stay in good working order. :)
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Yeah, my revival boots have a non-period nailed thick sole. But you can't even see that, and i can stomp around fairs all day!
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Ser William the boots you are referencing look very similiar to late 16th/17th century bucket top boots, but rolled up of course. I would say they would pass the 10 foot rule for that period, but I would be suspicious of them for earlier periods. As you say though, you are not in a reenactment group are doing this more for fun and general looks, so I think if you like them, they look periodish so go for it.
I had forgotten Viking Leather Crafts, though I have never dealt with them myself, I hear good things. Another place to look at is Reconstructing History. They have a limited selection of footwear, most for later periods, and clothing patterns for a wide variety of time periods. Prices are prettty decent, quality is good and they are very easy to deal with. I bought a pair of latchet shoes from them and am thinking of picking up another pair, open side instead of the closed side I got this time, and a pair of Kuhlmale Landsknecht shoes.
I know what boots you're talking about, Matthew (bucket top) but those were not it...knee high at best and close to the leg. However, I get the feeling I'll be catching a lot of haze from Sir Wolf so maybe I'll go with something else. I just like the higher boots.
Leganoth, that's a good choice in boots...I may go with the same, in natural or brown.
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You could pull off higher boots with a 15th century kit. Later in the century some knights liked a 3/4 harness and boots to accessorize!
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I'm working my way through the centuries...got started somewhere in the 10th and have been making steady progress. I'm aiming at 14th C squarely in the nose, currently. :)
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You could pull off higher boots with a 15th century kit. Later in the century some knights liked a 3/4 harness and boots to accessorize!
you can? hehehe are you swiss? only place i've seen that look. otherwise high boots are seen are horsemen only in their everyday clothing
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Bucket tops can be rolled up to just below the knee or rolled down to form the trade mark cuff that is ussually pictured. My Captain has a pair and says they are really comfortable, but I have my doubts. I really like my Brohgans for fit, support and comfort, although I did cheat and put in a modern insole. I also have a pair of RH closed side latchets, but I don't much care for them. They feel a little too much like wearing sandles for my taste. I have a really old pair of Sandler mid calf high boots that I love, they are really comfortable and supportive, but I need to have them resoled after ten years of abuse. I also have a pair of ankle boots and curley toed shoes and like them as well.
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Hey, even though it's only Swiss, it was done. Besides, I wouldn't mind having the track record of a Swiss in the later 15th century. Weren't doing to bad, last time since Charles the Bold checked ;)
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Well if I cannot find boots I will just get sabatons instead of leather boots http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-3132-churburg-sabatons.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-3132-churburg-sabatons.aspx) these are best i could find and only one every site has
I have those. If you wear size 16 triple-wide shoes, they're probably okay, but non-sasquatchians will have to do more than a little tweaking to them. They're worth the $100 shipped as a starting point, but only as a starting point, IMO.
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Well if I cannot find boots I will just get sabatons instead of leather boots http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-3132-churburg-sabatons.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-3132-churburg-sabatons.aspx) these are best i could find and only one every site has
I was thining about those sabtons, i am a size 11 shoe i dont have very wide feet haha so whats your opinion on them
I have those. If you wear size 16 triple-wide shoes, they're probably okay, but non-sasquatchians will have to do more than a little tweaking to them. They're worth the $100 shipped as a starting point, but only as a starting point, IMO.