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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Wulf on 2011-06-23, 05:18:50
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I know I have posted a pic of my old full harness. Most of which I had to sell. My wife knew when I sold it that a replacement would be in the future. I have decided that I am going for the mid-late 15th century. This is what I have come up with. I will be making my own riveted flat ring skirting and voiders for the underarms and behind the knees.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/trybonun/Wulfs/ab0343_2_.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/trybonun/Wulfs/stackneckgorgetfront.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/trybonun/Wulfs/Gussetts.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/trybonun/Wulfs/Plackard.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/trybonun/Wulfs/Pauldronswhauteplates.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/trybonun/Wulfs/15thCenturyArms.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/trybonun/Wulfs/fingeredgauntlets.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/trybonun/Wulfs/legs.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/trybonun/Wulfs/twopiecegreave.jpg)
(sabatons)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/trybonun/Wulfs/medieval-combat-armor-sabatons.jpg)
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(sabatons) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/trybonun/Wulfs/medieval-combat-armor-sabatons.jpg)
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For some reason I can't post the pic of the sabatons. So here's a link to them. They're by Armstreet.
http://armstreet.com/store/armor/medieval-combat-armor-sabatons (http://armstreet.com/store/armor/medieval-combat-armor-sabatons)
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That looks very impressive. Good luck with it, post some pics when you get it all assembled.
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Excellent idea Sir Wulf! I am glad you are getting your main pieces from Mercenary Tailor's. I do like the Bellows Face Sallet Helmet, which looks perfect for your harness. Can't wait to see pics of it!
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Good choices! Can't wait to see it all together!
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I'm a fan of Allan's work (Mercenary's Tailor) so you've made some good choices. I like Armstreet as well, or at least their look, but the exorbitant shipping (which has proven slow on occasion) puts me off from them. I look forward to seeing you put it all together, Sir Wulf. I think that's awesome that you're going to do the mail yourself...
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For some reason I can't post the pic of the sabatons. So here's a link to them. They're by Armstreet.
http://armstreet.com/store/armor/medieval-combat-armor-sabatons (http://armstreet.com/store/armor/medieval-combat-armor-sabatons)
It looks like the new glossary breaks URLs just like the old one. Lovely.
I fixed it in your messages by putting the word "sabatons" before the picture link.
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Thank you Sir Edward.
I made my butted maille hauberk from 16ga wire. I have found a source for the riveted rings now I just need a source for the solid punched rings. Making the maille is time consuming and tedious. Fortubatly I'm ADD and OCD! ;D
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I like the harness. Only question is why a breastplate and the plackart?
Thank you Sir Edward.
I made my butted maille hauberk from 16ga wire. I have found a source for the riveted rings now I just need a source for the solid punched rings. Making the maille is time consuming and tedious. Fortubatly I'm ADD and OCD! ;D
Please post a thread if you find solid rings (9mm stainless would be awesome ;)), I'd like to do a similar project with mail.
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From what I've heard, a layered look with a breast plate and a plackard was fairly popular and common in the late 15th Century. It didn't last long, probably because of all the weight.
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no, those 2 don't go together i dont think. ask Allen about getting a 2 part breastplate with placart.. the upper breastplate will only come down an inch or so below the top of the placart then.
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no, those 2 don't go together i dont think. ask Allen about getting a 2 part breastplate with placart.. the upper breastplate will only come down an inch or so below the top of the placart then.
I wondered a bit if the breast plate was actually a full size or shortened for the placart. Thank you for clearing that up. I just got back a helmet that Allan lined and strapped for me, he did a fantastic job. He quoted me 7-10 day and had it done and back to me in less than a week! First rate guy to deal with, I'm definitely going to keep him in mind for future projects!
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I must admit I do like the bellows face for the C15th if you are into that sort of thing.................. C14th all the way for me I`m afraid ;)
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I must admit I do like the bellows face for the C15th if you are into that sort of thing.................. C14th all the way for me I`m afraid ;)
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Hear, Hear! Although the bellows visor does have a very menacing aspect too it... :)
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I have a bellows faced sallet with the "jousting" visor right now and all my friends say it's pretty intimidating. I am planning on attaching a pair of horsetail plumes to the top/back of the helm. I want it all blackened. I'll check on the breast/back plate-plackard combo. Thinking about making a full hauberk for when I fight with my shield.
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So I am in contact with Allen at Mercenary's Tailor. They do work in 18ga and they also do "blackened"! YAY! Now just to find it if they'll make the helm and sabatons. I would really prefer to get the full harness from one place.
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Allan can do it all, just ask.
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Last I spoke with Allen, sabatons are not in the list of armor he'd make, since a size 9 modern shoe is different from a size 9 combat boot is different from a size 9 period boot ... which is perfectly understandable. I've had minimal sabaton success looking elsewhere. :( If you're buying a whole harness, maybe he'll make an exception ... here's to hoping!
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Or, you can make your own mail sabatons...if you're looking to do 14th Century then they'll fit right in.
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I'm going for mid/late 15th century. I do hope he'll make the sabatons as I am looking for a complete harness.
As maille is only effective against cuts and not stabbing (which is how I attack someones foot), I never really saw the point of maille sabatons.
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If Allan will not make sabatons, Illusion Armory does. I have seen their work and it is also first rate. I have a Peascod Breast and Back coming from them and communication has been very good also, only downside is they are taking orders now for delivery in March. You can get orders quicker by paying an extra penalty charge as long as they have not reached their maximum booking, but with all you are ordering that is probably not worth doing.
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:) armour is cool. buy buy buy
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I concur with Sir Matthew's (madmanpsu) assessment of Illusion Armoury. Their wares are of good quality and meant to be fought in. On the downside, you will wait much longer than they tell you the first (and second) time. I've written a short review of their sabatons on myArmoury.
Illusion Armoring Sabatons, a mini-review (http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=20419)
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Hey, maille works against stabbing too!
And to have a harness you didn't HAVE to have sabatons. It's more of an optional thing from my understanding.
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most illustrations i see show more footman with sabatons, more so than even on horseback.
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And especially if you plan to use the harness for jousting, you wouldn't need Sabatons.
If the lances are dipping that low, I think the problem might be more of what's across the tilt than your harness ;)
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Maybe riveted maille would stand up to a thrust, but butted maille won't. At all.
As for the sabatons, I'm a dirty mother in a fight. If I'll stab someone in the foot than there's bound to be others who'll do the same. hehe
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Well yeah. General rule of thumb, butted maille sucks at life.
Historical maille, well that's a different story.
And sheesh. If you're gonna step on peoples toes, wear sabatons before they apply the golden rule to you ;)
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:) armour is cool. buy buy buy
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