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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir James A on 2011-05-11, 22:36:07
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It's time to put together a soft kit, just in case my hard kit isn't ready in time for the potential knightings at VARF. Here's what I have planned:
Main:
Medieval Swordsman Shirt (natural)
(http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/images/Product/medium/MCI-2331.jpg)
Medieval Vest (brown)
(http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/images/Product/medium/DC1124.jpg)
Double Lined Medieval Ring Belt (black w/steel)
(http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/images/Product/medium/DK2008.jpg)
Leather vambraces (brown)
(http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/images/Product/medium/MCI-2164.jpg)
Medieval Pants (black)
(http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/images/Product/medium/100274.jpg)
Warrior Boots (brown)
(http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/images/Product/medium/FW2062.jpg)
Extras:
Medieval Hooded Cape (black)
(http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/images/Product/medium/MCI-2307.jpg)
Small Knights Pouch (black)
(http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/images/Product/medium/MCI-2191.jpg)
Thoughts? Opinions? Any feedback is appreciated, constructive criticism included. :)
(edited to show pics)
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Time period, place, occupation?
For example, my personae will soon be that of a late 8th Century Pre-Christian Scandiavian Rus traveling the Volga from Uppsala to Constantinople & Baghdad. (As opposed to the same thing but in the 11th Cen)
-Ivan
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kewl get up. looks like it would go well together.
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Time period, place, occupation?
For example, my personae will soon be that of a late 8th Century Pre-Christian Scandiavian Rus traveling the Volga from Uppsala to Constantinople & Baghdad. (As opposed to the same thing but in the 11th Cen)
-Ivan
Nothing specific, just for general renn fest or other outings. Generi-celt, except, generi-medieval-ish, is the best I can say. I'm going for something similar to, but not exactly, the "florentine noble" attire from Assassin's Creed 2:
(http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/2/2c/Youngezio.JPG)
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OK. Why not just do say... 1495-1505 Venitian Noble?
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Yep, looks good to me as general medievalish renfaire garb.
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I agree...it'll be a good look for you. You know, up til now, I thought a soft kit was one of leather armor...it seems I've got soft kits in my closet!
I really like those boots on that model...they sell 'boot toppers' at MRL that look like those...but are not those. I guess cheaper than making the whole boot.
Do you have pics of your warrior boots? I need a pair of brown boots but have not found any to my liking for under $300.
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OK. Why not just do say... 1495-1505 Venitian Noble?
I have no idea if the pic I posted is historically accurate, it's just the name of the costume in the game. I'm not attempting to portray a particular period, but if it is all reasonable for a 1495-1505 Venetian Noble, I'm happy with that label.
Yep, looks good to me as general medievalish renfaire garb.
Cool, thanks. I placed the order and I'm crossing my fingers that (1) it's in stock, (2) it gets here before the knightings, and (3) it fits me. Eventually, I'd like to get my heraldry on the cape (hence the black), and possibly the vest (which I changed to black, for the same reason), or if that isn't reasonable, to have a tabard made with it, at least.
I agree...it'll be a good look for you. You know, up til now, I thought a soft kit was one of leather armor...it seems I've got soft kits in my closet!
I really like those boots on that model...they sell 'boot toppers' at MRL that look like those...but are not those. I guess cheaper than making the whole boot.
Do you have pics of your warrior boots? I need a pair of brown boots but have not found any to my liking for under $300.
I have always heard soft kits refer to clothing, but mostly by SCA members; I think they coined the term. I usually see "soft kit" as a caption when they post pictures of clothing.
It should be right under the text that says "Warrior Boots (brown)". It shows up for me. I can email you the picture and/or link if you PM me your email address. Surprisingly, the whole boot is cheaper than some of the boot toppers, and IMO, looks better. I have my old thigh-boots in storage from over a decade ago, but I fear my thighs are a bit different in size than they were when I was 18, so a new set was in order. :o
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i know you have some 14thc armour. would you want a outfit more suited for the look of it? if so let me know and i'll help you out.
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i know you have some 14thc armour. would you want a outfit more suited for the look of it? if so let me know and i'll help you out.
For now I'm happy with semi-generic soft kit, since we're not all of the same time period when we go to faires/events. I have a couple other harnesses (the MRL gothic, a pseudo-16th cent italian sport harness, a generic samurai one ... and one more quietly in the works), so I'm not too worried about matching soft kits yet.
If I decide to do any Living History and want to portray a specific period, you're the first one I'm going to bug. :D
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Nothing specific, just for general renn fest or other outings. Generi-celt, except, generi-medieval-ish, is the best I can say. I'm going for something similar to, but not exactly, the "florentine noble" attire from Assassin's Creed 2:
(http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/2/2c/Youngezio.JPG)
I don't think that would be to difficult to replicate and it certainly does look medieval-ish for faire! :)
I've always liked the leather pants from Ravenswood Leather but haven't been able to convince myself to invest in the cost however I see they are offering Cavalier trousers now at a fairly reasonable price... ;)
(http://www.ravenswoodleather.net/shop/store/images/products/preview/812.jpg)
http://www.ravenswoodleather.net/shop/store/index.php?p=catalog&parent=31&pg=1 (http://www.ravenswoodleather.net/shop/store/index.php?p=catalog&parent=31&pg=1)
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hey man, aint nothing wrong with that at all. :)
you wanna talk shop my ears are always open...unless theres wax but then thats what cue tips are for ahhaha
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Here is an alternate source for high black boots. http://www.scaboots.com/ (http://www.scaboots.com/)
They are reasonably priced, very durable and comfortable. I'm on my second pair as I wore the
other pair down a bit. I still keep the old pair for pirate garb and I've since modified my new pair
by sewing some washers on the sole to lace my sabbatons onto. ;)
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http://www.vikingleathercrafts.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=42
big fan of these
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i am currently adding things to my for sale page if u wanna wait and look. just uploaded boots pics
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Sir Brian, I've been checking out Ravenswood Leather as well for their pants...I did not know about the breeches, I like, I like!
Wolf, what size are the boots? How much?
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read the picture descriptions. they have all of the info. i think they are like 11s and the 1 pair is a 12. the russian and german are the 11s. but they seem bigger to me, but i only wear a 10 so they feel huge hehe there all $25 plus shipping
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Sir Brian, I think SCABoots.com is where I got my really old leather boots from; if it wasn't them, it had "SCA" and "Boots" in the name, as I was in the SCA at the time and that's what I searched around for.
I got an email that they shipped out the items in stock now (everything sans cloak and vest), and will ship those out when they arrive; which is supposed to be 3-4 days from now. I'll post pics when all of it has arrived.
And Sir Brian has me wondering about this leather pants thing. I hadn't thought of it, but maybe once I finish off a few unfinished tasks, I should get a pair... I'm getting the "Sir Wolf"!
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(evil grin)
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I will too and I don't even know what it is! lol
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Sir William: The "Sir Wolf" is when you buy something, then something else, and someone posts a link and you think "I need that too! I could use it for my (insert kit) that I haven't started yet!" - and before you blink, you have kits for everything from the cretaceous period (a loincloth and pointed stick) through the 23rd century (or whenever Star Wars is ;)).
Sir Wolf: I ordered the items on the 12th, I only waited a day for responses. :D
The in-stock items arrived yesterday. Still pending are the vest and cloak.
Either I have some mongo forearms, or the one-size-fits-all bracers are from their hobbit line. I get maybe 3/4 coverage from them, nowhere near the closeness of the ones picture - but at under $20 and fabric lined? No real complaints for the price. If nothing else they're pattern-worthy for when I have time to order a side of leather and cut my own. Worthy of note - typing with bracers on is interesting. I'm getting the clothing broken in now before it's first wash, since I'm telecommuting and nobody knows I'm wearing it.
One note on the boots that I didn't think to expect is that while the picture shows nothing on the sides, they are zippered - but at least on the inside of the leg. I'm not overly thrilled by it, and I'm pretty sure it's not period, but they fit well and the quality is good for the price. It would be nice if it mentioned the zipper, but other than that, I'm happy. The zipper is the same color as the boots and has a tiny "grabby thing", so it's not glaringly obvious at least.
The shirt, a large, seems to be XL or XXL on me. I think their 46" chest measurement was overly generous, or I need to learn how to use a fabric ruler again. Same thing with the pants - the Small/Medium is quite large on me - almost to the point of being like my karate gi pants. Yes, that much room, and that's with the smallest pair they offer. They definitely need some minor tailoring for thickness, but the height is spot on.
Good thing I chose the drawstring pants. The ring belt doesn't seem to do much, since I can't get it to stay tight. It's main purpose is just to hold my bag, though.
The overall look is very close to what I was going for, but "puffier" due to the sizing. I will probably look into having it tailored to a better fit if possible, but I doubt I'll be able to for a few weeks. I may just pick up a size Medium shirt and have it sent at the same time as the two items still pending, if that's possible - but I can literally fit both arms in one sleeve, so I think having the sleeve tailored is the better route.
I'll post pics when the entire thing is here.
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Good thing I chose the drawstring pants. The ring belt doesn't seem to do much, since I can't get it to stay tight. It's main purpose is just to hold my bag, though.
Yeah, I haven't had much luck with ring-belts either. I never use them anymore. But it's perfectly period to use buckles, it's just that at the time, they didn't have a keeper-loop near the buckle (as modern belts do) and were still intended to be tied around the buckle, just like you would do with a simple ring.
I have one like this: (http://by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Medieval_Thin_Long_Belt_Blue_26-200880.html (http://by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Medieval_Thin_Long_Belt_Blue_26-200880.html)) and it's great, except that the metal fittings make it hard to shift the pouches around if I need to... and I wear way too much stuff on my belt. :)
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I agree with Sir Edward. Ring belts are nearly useless. Raymond's Quiet Press has some excellent fittings and are reasonably priced! ;)
https://www.quietpress.com/later.html (https://www.quietpress.com/later.html)
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Once the ring belt's broken in, you'll not have that problem anymore. Regular use will do that for you. But I agree, they're not the best option...I opt for buckles whenever possible.
Speaking of RQP, Sir Brian, my spurs just came in!!!!
Sir James...it would appear, then, that I'm already infected! lol
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I agree with Sir Edward. Ring belts are nearly useless. Raymond's Quiet Press has some excellent fittings and are reasonably priced! ;)
https://www.quietpress.com/later.html (https://www.quietpress.com/later.html)
That looks like a great option. Thanks!
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Speaking of RQP, Sir Brian, my spurs just came in!!!!
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Cool! Did you get them gold plated and strapped? :)
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rarely are pants held up by your ring belt. i used to wear a belt in my pants and then the ring belt over my shirt over the pants for looks or to hold my pouch. but i always had issues. you have to get a ring belt REALLY tight and then it will open up a tad as the day goes by.
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Speaking of RQP, Sir Brian, my spurs just came in!!!!
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Cool! Did you get them gold plated and strapped? :)
Strapped and buckled, but not gold plated...I had not thought to do that as I felt it would be too ostentatious...only because I'm a "new" knight. What with my plain-Jane field armor I thought it'd be somewhat out of place.
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Cool! Did you get them gold plated and strapped? :)
Strapped and buckled, but not gold plated...I had not thought to do that as I felt it would be too ostentatious...only because I'm a "new" knight. What with my plain-Jane field armor I thought it'd be somewhat out of place.
Oh well, next time. The gold-plating is nice because it doesn't tarnish.
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Oh...in that case, maybe I'll order another pair, gilded this time. So much small stuff to look to!
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rarely are pants held up by your ring belt. i used to wear a belt in my pants and then the ring belt over my shirt over the pants for looks or to hold my pouch. but i always had issues. you have to get a ring belt REALLY tight and then it will open up a tad as the day goes by.
I have drawstring pants, so the belt isn't holding them up, but it's a bit too loose for my tastes. I tried my double-wrap sword belt, and other than holding the sword at a very awkward angle, I think it's the way I'll go. I need to get some materials and make a proper sword belt one of these days.
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BTW, there is some garb shopping available at VARF. Might want to take a look and see what else is available on-site.
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BTW, there is some garb shopping available at VARF. Might want to take a look and see what else is available on-site.
I definitely plan to do so at VARF and MDRF, having this soft kit together is to look presentable during the knightings, and since they are at 10am, that wouldn't give me time to shop, try on, and purchase.
One thing I noticed at MDRF is that they seem to roll the cost of the vendor booths into the prices, and a lot of things that I've thought about buying are actually more expensive to buy there in person than to order online (shipping included). It seems to be the opposite of SCA vendors, who usually announce sales at the events they go to vendor at, rather than markups. Is VARF the same way?
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Oh...in that case, maybe I'll order another pair, gilded this time. So much small stuff to look to!
Yep, don't worry about being ostentatious. We're knights. We're supposed to have bling. :)
One thing I noticed at MDRF is that they seem to roll the cost of the vendor booths into the prices, and a lot of things that I've thought about buying are actually more expensive to buy there in person than to order online (shipping included). It seems to be the opposite of SCA vendors, who usually announce sales at the events they go to vendor at, rather than markups. Is VARF the same way?
You know, I'm not sure. The prices on things that I've looked at have been pretty average. When I ran a booth there, the vendor fees weren't very high. I know they want 10% of the cut from the food vendors, but I don't know if the other booth vendor fees have changed.