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I don't know if you've ever seen this guy's CoA. His lions are rampant though.
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http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=13319&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=308 (http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=13319&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=308)
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DOH!
Let me try this...
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ah well he's not a member here so it doesnt really matter to much does it?
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True, but what if he becomes a member at some point?
But yeah, I wouldn't worry about it right now. Sir James already has a gonfalon painted up, etc. If the other dude were to join us, I'd just try to recommend adding a point of difference to one or the other (like a border or something).
This is why I registered mine in the SCA, so at least the big juggernaut of medieval heraldry in the US has my uniqueness preserved.
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Thats Jeff Arborgast. We did his shield for him ( that is I made it the wife painted it ). He's got a thread on myarmoury right now cause he just got in his Thorkil helmet.
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He has an awesome kit that is for sure! I hope I get a chance to meet him someday, as I'm curious how he mounted his crest. :)
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I love that guy's kit! You know, I was actually wondering about that a few months back. I don't think it would be a terribly huge problem, unless he joined or something.
BTW, Sir Ed, how does one register their arms? I'd like to do that myself.
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His new Thorkil helmet is insanely gorgeous. Makes me want to have a bascinet done by him!
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I don't know if you've ever seen this guy's CoA. His lions are rampant though.
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http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=13319&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=308 (http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=13319&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=308)
He and I shall fight - TO THE DEATH! Winner keeps their arms. And their coat of arms too. :D
He has an awesome kit that is for sure! I hope I get a chance to meet him someday, as I'm curious how he mounted his crest. :)
Yep, he does have a nice kit. I've seen pictures of it before, but without that shield, and really like the "black knight" look he has.
Allan, you and your wife did a great job on the shield. Ironically the heater I am going to order in our group buy, I was going to see if I could get my arms painted on it too. :)
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I love that guy's kit! You know, I was actually wondering about that a few months back. I don't think it would be a terribly huge problem, unless he joined or something.
BTW, Sir Ed, how does one register their arms? I'd like to do that myself.
You could always try this place. I just submitted mine so I don't know if it will be accepted or how long it takes to be added to the roster but it is suppose to be free. :-\
http://usheraldicregistry.com/ (http://usheraldicregistry.com/)
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BTW, Sir Ed, how does one register their arms? I'd like to do that myself.
Well, I did it at Pennsic, where they have a whole pavilion set up for it. Outside of that, I think you can do it via mail, but I'm not sure what the process is.
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well, mine's already in place. but its not my personal COA, it's the family COA. so... I just use it ;)
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I love his leather surcoat...was thinking of doing one for myself. Well, buying one, I'm not doing anything. LOL
Sir James...no worries brother...far as I'm concerned, you were here first, they're your arms, unless you want him to use them. Watch that rotator cuff, its a real doozy to pop in and out. ;)
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You could always try this place. I just submitted mine so I don't know if it will be accepted or how long it takes to be added to the roster but it is suppose to be free. :-\
http://usheraldicregistry.com/ (http://usheraldicregistry.com/)
I'm looking into this option now. This part may have some relevance for our members who want to go with this route (emphasis added):
Effective May 2010: New designs that are quartered, contain national symbols or trademarks, break the rule of tincture (contrast), or lack a design rationale will be, with rare exceptions, immediately rejected.
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No quartering, eh? Ahhh...was getting tired of that look anyway. :)
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I have a feeling it's just because they've received so many of those, that it's hard to pass them with enough points of difference from existing arms, without a compelling reason for it (such as proof of inheritance, etc).
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Allan, you and your wife did a great job on the shield. Ironically the heater I am going to order in our group buy, I was going to see if I could get my arms painted on it too
James, I discounted the price for the shields for you guys but I can't do that for my wife, she'd need to get what she feels its worth for the artwork. Wheres a pic of it so I can have her look at it?
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Your wife does extremely good work...what does she charge?
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Your wife does extremely good work...what does she charge?
Its completely dependent on the difficulty of the work desired. If you have a picture of what you want I can show her and see what she needs for the work.
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Hey Allan, here it is. Just a quote...because the more I look at it, the more I think I want it changed.
(http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/ebonpaladin/Armor/The%20Order%20of%20the%20Marshal%202011/PaladinCoA-1.png)
Sir Edward; what was the name of that program you used to create our shields to begin with? Think I want to have a go at it.
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Sir Edward; what was the name of that program you used to create our shields to begin with? Think I want to have a go at it.
"Coat of Arms Design Studio" is the one we use for the shield shape on the Roll of Arms. It's very good: http://inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms/ (http://inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms/)
However, the one thing it doesn't do is allow you to place anything other than straight edges for color divisions. The other one I've used is called Blazon, which has a pretty awful set of charges to play with, but it'll do all sorts of divisions, such as wavy, embattled, etc: http://www.harnmaster.us/blazon.html (http://www.harnmaster.us/blazon.html)
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Hey Allan, here it is. Just a quote...because the more I look at it, the more I think I want it changed.
Stay with something blue, it'll make recoloring you Codex plate easier ;D
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Allan, you and your wife did a great job on the shield. Ironically the heater I am going to order in our group buy, I was going to see if I could get my arms painted on it too
James, I discounted the price for the shields for you guys but I can't do that for my wife, she'd need to get what she feels its worth for the artwork. Wheres a pic of it so I can have her look at it?
Allan, no problem, just shoot me a quote. I hadn't even thought to ask if she was still doing it or not, and was going to check with you when we order the shields. Here's a picture from my gonfalon, for how I'd like it to "sit" on the shield since they're the same shape:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/decor/th_P1010012-1.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/decor/P1010012-1.jpg)
Small note, the tongue/claws are grey on there, but I'd like the entire lion (including claws and tongue) white. Here's my surcoat, with the whole lion white:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/armor/surcoats/th_2011-12-21193133.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/armor/surcoats/2011-12-21193133.jpg)
(both pictures should be clickable for large versions, if photobucket is being nice to me today)
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That is a nice surcoat 8)
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Hey Allan, here it is. Just a quote...because the more I look at it, the more I think I want it changed.
Stay with something blue, it'll make recoloring you Codex plate easier ;D
Yes, Sir! It was my plan anyway to keep the same color schema (blue/black) - can't go all blue because Sir Edward's the blue knight, and can't do red cuz you're the Red Knight so I'll be the Black Knight, with blue accents. :)
Anyway, I'm thinking of going with all blue, w/a black chevron and a black griffin somewhere in there. Or maybe just blue, w/a black griffin? I liked it, after you put it on my plate so I'm going to roll with it. Do the whole torse and mantle thing too, when I can find one. Was it you that mentioned finding bookends that had the image I wanted then cutting them off?
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I wouldn't worry too much about using the same colors as another knight. There are only so many colors to choose from.
Heraldry is like EGA graphics on late-80's era computers. Red, green, blue, black, white, purple, yellow... and that's about it. :) Oh, and brown I suppose. And some furs.
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Ooh, fur...I did always want a fur-edging on my heavy cloak. Need the heavy cloak first. Kind of like what I saw in Game of Thrones...that was just the last thing in which I saw something I'd like. Didn't care much for their regular clothing tho...looked kind of funny, all the men had these leather straps criss crossing over their chests w/attached shoulder pieces.
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Willaim and James, the Mrs. said she's up for it, so i'll have her look at these and let you know what she'd need for the artwork and you can decide if its for you. I'll have her look this evening.
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Awesome, sir, and thank you!
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I call being the Black and White knight!
Oh, wait, darnit, we already have about 3 of those! :P
Sir Ian, I like the COA. Good choice on your quartering ;)
So if we're part of the Quartered club, where do we register? :o
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Willaim and James, the Mrs. said she's up for it, so i'll have her look at these and let you know what she'd need for the artwork and you can decide if its for you. I'll have her look this evening.
Awesome, thank you Allan.
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I call being the Black and White knight!
Oh, wait, darnit, we already have about 3 of those! :P
Sir Ian, I like the COA. Good choice on your quartering ;)
So if we're part of the Quartered club, where do we register? :o
Well, there's you...and who else?
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Well, we now have 4 members with quartered arms.
I'm really not 100% sure why they say they'll deny them, other than the fact that they're HIGHLY popular. Quartering is often also used in marshaling (combining separate arms into new arms), so they may be trying to reserve it for that.
In the long run I think all that matters is whether YOU are happy with your chosen arms. Registering them in various places just helps you to protect your uniqueness against other folks making the same thing (if they care to register as well, otherwise they'll never know it's in use).
The US Heraldry site Sir Brian posted is an attempt at creating a US-based college of heraldry, since we don't have any government sanctioned equivalent. It appears to be run by the Mormons out in Utah, which isn't too surprising since they're super-huge fans of genealogy and the like.
Registering with the SCA covers the big, huge 800 lb Gorilla of the historical enthusiast community.
To me the latter was useful, since I want to be able to display my arms when I go to Pennsic, and to be able to truthfully say "Yes, those are my registered arms". If you don't have it registered, then they could ask you to put it away if it too closely resembles someone else's arms. If it doesn't, no one will likely notice or care whether or not it's registered.
So basically, I'll encourage you guys to register your arms far and wide if you want, but what we establish in the Order really only matters to the Order, in the grand scheme of things.
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I call being the Black and White knight!
Oh, wait, darnit, we already have about 3 of those! :P
Sir Ian, I like the COA. Good choice on your quartering ;)
So if we're part of the Quartered club, where do we register? :o
Well, there's you...and who else?
Well for starters, there's Sir James, who i can't even call first on since he's also a founder, Stormdelver, Sir Cliff (Though he focuses on his Templar impression) and if you count he grey in Sir Wolf's COA as Argent, then add him too.
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I call being the Black and White knight!
Oh, wait, darnit, we already have about 3 of those! :P
Sir Ian, I like the COA. Good choice on your quartering ;)
So if we're part of the Quartered club, where do we register? :o
Well, there's you...and who else?
Well for starters, there's Sir James, who i can't even call first on since he's also a founder, Stormdelver, Sir Cliff (Though he focuses on his Templar impression) and if you count he grey in Sir Wolf's COA as Argent, then add him too.
My arms aren't quartered. :)
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My arms aren't quartered. :)
Yeah, last I looked, I think they only bend in half at the elbow. :)
Actually I think they were just talking about black/white arms in that case.
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Yeah, just the colors. Don't worry Sir James, I didn't add you to the quartered club.
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My arms aren't quartered. :)
Yeah, last I looked, I think they only bend in half at the elbow. :)
Actually I think they were just talking about black/white arms in that case.
Yeah, just the colors. Don't worry Sir James, I didn't add you to the quartered club.
Oops, I got it now. I'm not completely the "black and white" knight, mostly black, so I'd call it more a "black knight" since the white is just an accent, or sometimes gold (brass).
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James, the Mrs. said $125 for yours as she has the rampant lion tracing stecils she made for another one already, William she'd like $150.00 for yours.
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well, since no-one seems to challenging for the position of the black and white knight, I call it! ;D
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James, the Mrs. said $125 for yours as she has the rampant lion tracing stecils she made for another one already, William she'd like $150.00 for yours.
That sounds fine, Allan. Should I pay you for the shield + painting all at once, or does she have a separate paypal that I should send it to? Just let me know what to do. Please tell her thank you for taking on this project.
well, since no-one seems to challenging for the position of the black and white knight, I call it! ;D
All yours. :)
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Yessss!!!! 8)
Now I just need to find a way to get all the folks at the renn faire to call me that...... ???
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don't make me slap you with the gauntlet young knight ;)
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James, she's a bit of a lowtech gal so she doesn't have a paypal, you can use mine for the lot.
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Yessss!!!! 8)
Now I just need to find a way to get all the folks at the renn faire to call me that...... ???
Don't worry, if they see you often enough in the same colors, that's how they naturally come to know you. Sir Brian is "that green knight" and I'm often "that blue and white knight".
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Sir Nathan, this means you'll have to attend more often so they remember you! I'll need to as well...I get nothing but strange looks, like I'm wearing the wrong sort of clothing. lol
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You could always try this place. I just submitted mine so I don't know if it will be accepted or how long it takes to be added to the roster but it is suppose to be free. :-\
http://usheraldicregistry.com/ (http://usheraldicregistry.com/)
I'm still waiting to hear back on my submission to these folks. I submitted mine right after you, I think. The registration is free, and there's an affordable charge if you want a certificate of it drawn up. I'll probably do so if they accept mine.
I just looked at this one too:
http://www.americancollegeofheraldry.org/ (http://www.americancollegeofheraldry.org/)
They're more expensive. $325 to register, but that includes the professional drawing and certificates.
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Well according to the website it can take up to three weeks to be reviewed.
Applications are typically reviewed within three weeks. Registrants receive a unique registration number and the information is placed in the online database.
I submitted mine just prior to making that post so I've got about ten days or so to wait for an answer. :-\
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James, she's a bit of a lowtech gal so she doesn't have a paypal, you can use mine for the lot.
Sent all of it your way.
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I don't know if you've ever seen this guy's CoA. His lions are rampant though.
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http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=13319&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=308 (http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=13319&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=308)
You know, I just realized, the heraldry already has a minor difference. The lions are "Rampant" in that dude's shield. Sir James has them "Statant".
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don't make me slap you with the gauntlet young knight ;)
Lol, sorry ;D I mean, in blazon, we do both have the same main colors, and I needed 3 knights to round that list off...
And I will keep an eye out for any ill-tempered livestock wielding gauntlets ;)
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I don't know if you've ever seen this guy's CoA. His lions are rampant though.
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http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=13319&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=308 (http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=13319&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=308)
You know, I just realized, the heraldry already has a minor difference. The lions are "Rampant" in that dude's shield. Sir James has them "Statant".
I noticed that to and I am curious if Allan's wife realized that since she will be painting Sir James' shield? ???
James, the Mrs. said $125 for yours as she has the rampant lion tracing stecils she made for another one already, William she'd like $150.00 for yours.
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I noticed that to and I am curious if Allan's wife realized that since she will be painting Sir James' shield? ???
James, the Mrs. said $125 for yours as she has the rampant lion tracing stecils she made for another one already, William she'd like $150.00 for yours.
Good catch! James, Allan, how does this affect things for you guys?
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I noticed that to and I am curious if Allan's wife realized that since she will be painting Sir James' shield? ???
James, the Mrs. said $125 for yours as she has the rampant lion tracing stecils she made for another one already, William she'd like $150.00 for yours.
Good catch! James, Allan, how does this affect things for you guys?
Ah, good catch indeed! I glossed over that somehow. It's been a crazy stressful and busy week.
Allan, I have a super high-resolution image of the lion statant I could send you, that should be full size when she prints it, that I think would make a good stencil. It's what I was going to use, but anything I've painted looks like a 3 year old with finger paints did it so I'm not going to attempt painting it myself and ruining a nice shield. :)
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Well according to the website it can take up to three weeks to be reviewed.
Applications are typically reviewed within three weeks. Registrants receive a unique registration number and the information is placed in the online database.
I submitted mine just prior to making that post so I've got about ten days or so to wait for an answer. :-\
Have you heard from them yet? No word on mine.
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No I haven't and I haven't noticed if I've been added to the accepted listing yet.
Perhaps it is time to drop them a 'WTF' email? ???
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I have not heard anything from them either.
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I haven't heard a word either and I'm sure it has been at least two weeks.