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Main => The Great Hall => Topic started by: Grand Master Garland on 2013-06-19, 14:56:00
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I would like to thank Sir Edward for accepting me into your noble forum on modern chivalry. You are among the remnant who regard the Code of a Knight not as an anachronism, but rather as the best guide for your own lives. I salute each of you for your commitment to it. I am the Prince Grand Master of the Knights of Saint John, an ancient order of Holy Church known throughout history as the Sovereign Order of St. John of Jerusalem. The Knights of Saint John have been champions of Christendom for nearly 1000 years. For the past 200 years we have been in the vanguard of the Counter Revolution. We are pleased to join this forum. Our website can be viewed at http://www.theknightsofsaintjohn.com (http://www.theknightsofsaintjohn.com) .
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I am pleased to be the first to welcome you Grand Master Garland.
We are honored to have you join us here on our humble forum.
Sir Gerard de Rodes.
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Welcome.
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Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam
Grandmaster Garland, may I say thankyou for joining our group. I'm looking forward to your contributions and future conversations.
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Welcome to the forum! It's an honor to meet you here.
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Welcome Grand Master Garland to our forum. It is an honor to have you join us and I am sure all of us will have much to share in our efforts. Each of us has our own uniqueness & experience but all of us have the same ideals in preserving the notions of chivalry in our everyday lives. We are blessed and privileged to have you amongst us. God bless you Brother, and our brethren. :)
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Sorry to ask but I saw this:
"For the past 200 years we have been in the vanguard of the Counter Revolution."
Then I read up on your site a bit, and as my family fled both North Ireland on one side and Russia on the other in the face of revolution fueled by religion (Protestant vs Catholic & Orthodox vs Jew) I must ask what you mean by that.
-Thorsteinn
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Sir Edward, Lord Dane, Sir Gerard, Sir Patrick, Brother Patricius, thank you all for your warm welcome. I look forward to participating in your excellent forum. Yeoman Thorsteinn, thank you for your question about the Counter Revolution. I'll answer as briefly as I can. The Knights of St. John have a long tradition of refusing to fight against other Christian forces. Since the French Revolution, in fulfillment of the Code of Knighthood and our ancient mission, we have fought against those forces warring against Holy Church and Christian Monarchy. This is the Counter Revolution. Our Grand Master Czar Paul I first rallied the noble Christian warriers of Europe to this work in 1798. That good work evolved into what has become a constant struggle against atheistic Communism which began in 1917 at St. Petersburg, Russia. The Sovereign Order mobilized our last sizable field army to engage the Bolsheviks in Latvia in 1919. This same Counter Revolution continues in various forms today. And of course, let us not forget the ceaseless war against the Infidel, now heating up with the massive Moslem intrusion into ancient Christendom. We promise never to retreat before them. http://www.theknightsofsaintjohn.com/code.htm (http://www.theknightsofsaintjohn.com/code.htm)
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Welcome Grand Master Garland, quite an honor to have you here in our humble little forum.
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Our humble little forum is definitely growing in reach. I love the fact that various Orders of chivalry are starting to notice it.
Just out of curiosity, how does the Order relate to the Sovereign Order of Malta that is still operated out of Rome? (website (http://www.orderofmalta.int/?lang=en))? Is this an offshoot that sprung off at some point in history? Or entirely different? I haven't had a chance to look through the history on the website, so forgive me if it's already mentioned there.
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Sir Ian, thank you for your greeting. Sir Edward, the Sovereign Military Order of Malta is the widely recognized descendant organization but they originate from our Order. The story is on our website. The 3 most recognized Malta orders from Rome, London and Germany are very different from us in that each of them publicly renounced militancy many years ago. They are very successful at charity work. We, instead, continue to follow the Code of Knighthood, a lifestyle which combines personal honor and traditional faith that is rarely found in our society today.
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Welcome to the forum, Grand Master Garland. I've been perusing your site- am most interested in the listing of Historical Grand Masters, 1048-1798 as that is a 750 year chunk of history that I find most engaging for my studies of the Crusades (and thereafter, of course).
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Welcome, Good Sir!
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Hail and well met.
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Sir Edward, Lord Dane, Sir Gerard, Sir Patrick, Brother Patricius, thank you all for your warm welcome. I look forward to participating in your excellent forum. Yeoman Thorsteinn, thank you for your question about the Counter Revolution. I'll answer as briefly as I can. The Knights of St. John have a long tradition of refusing to fight against other Christian forces. Since the French Revolution, in fulfillment of the Code of Knighthood and our ancient mission, we have fought against those forces warring against Holy Church and Christian Monarchy. This is the Counter Revolution. Our Grand Master Czar Paul I first rallied the noble Christian warriers of Europe to this work in 1798. That good work evolved into what has become a constant struggle against atheistic Communism which began in 1917 at St. Petersburg, Russia. The Sovereign Order mobilized our last sizable field army to engage the Bolsheviks in Latvia in 1919. This same Counter Revolution continues in various forms today. And of course, let us not forget the ceaseless war against the Infidel, now heating up with the massive Moslem intrusion into ancient Christendom. We promise never to retreat before them. http://www.theknightsofsaintjohn.com/code.htm (http://www.theknightsofsaintjohn.com/code.htm)
Garland, as you are new here, I just want to point out that discussions of politics / religion are against the forum guidelines. Things such as "noble Christian warriers", "atheistic Communism", "war against the Infidel", "Moslem intrusion" ... all things to avoid on here. Just a friendly reminder, in case you missed it. :)
Conversations should attempt to remain on-topic for the message board. We've tried to create enough sections to the forum to cover a wide range of topics, and more can be added where necessary, but this site is specific in its purpose of discussing knights, chivalry, swords, weapons, and armor, in a historical or modern sense, and related topics such as SCA events, Renaissance/Medieval faires, garb, swordplay, etc. Note: Specifically, please refrain from discussions of politics and religion, as these are out of scope and can lead to unnecessary unpleasantness.
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,37.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,37.0.html)
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Just to follow up on what Sir James is pointing out, it's only a reminder (to everyone) about the forum rules. We're not saying that the rules have been broken, only posting a reminder in case further discussion erupts. We have to be ever vigilant. :)
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Sir William, Sir Brian and Corvus, thank you for your greeting. Sir James, thank you for cautionning me about the rules of the forum against discussions of politics and religion. I will have difficulty joining forum discussions about historical chivalry since the well known ancient code of knighthood is based on the Christian faith and the unceasing war against the Infidel. Thank you for your comment Sir Edward. I respectfully request your judgement on these matters.
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Saladin also had a lot to do with the code of Chivalry being written as we know it.
He's one of those nifty historic persons I'd love to sit down with and have a meal. Know what I mean? :)
And if you ever want to get an earful about Arabs just come to Maccabee Firearms here in Reno & tell Sharon that you want a .45 ACP cause 9mm isn't big enough. ;) lol
(Sharon is former IDF & Mossad. Super nice guy but very... Israeli)
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Saladin also had a lot to do with the code of Chivalry being written as we know it.
He's one of those nifty historic persons I'd love to sit down with and have a meal. Know what I mean? :)
And if you ever want to get an earful about Arabs just come to Maccabee Firearms here in Reno & tell Sharon that you want a .45 ACP cause 9mm isn't big enough. ;) lol
(Sharon is former IDF & Mossad. Super nice guy but very... Israeli)
I'd love to meet Sharon and discuss the virtues and vices of 9mm, 10mm, and 45acp. My favorite handgun is a Desert Eagle 10mm, I carried H&K though, but also in 10mm ;) but that's a completely different topic.
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Sir William, Sir Brian and Corvus, thank you for your greeting. Sir James, thank you for cautionning me about the rules of the forum against discussions of politics and religion. I will have difficulty joining forum discussions about historical chivalry since the well known ancient code of knighthood is based on the Christian faith and the unceasing war against the Infidel. Thank you for your comment Sir Edward. I respectfully request your judgement on these matters.
No need to request a judgement on anything, as Sir Edward said, you have said nothing wrong; I just wanted to give you a heads up in case things were headed towards political grounds. :)
There are lots of aspects of historical chivalry; as Thorsteinn pointed out, chivalry was not strictly a Christian virtue. There is a group of 9 people called the "9 Worthies" who are regarded as the pinnacles of chivalry. Three of them are Pagan, three are Jewish, and three Christian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Worthies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Worthies)
Even the general modern knightly virtues aren't religion-specific. I find this a pretty good read:
http://chivalrytoday.com/knightly-virtues/ (http://chivalrytoday.com/knightly-virtues/)
Welcome to the forums, have a look around at our other threads, and join in!
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Sir William, Sir Brian and Corvus, thank you for your greeting. Sir James, thank you for cautionning me about the rules of the forum against discussions of politics and religion. I will have difficulty joining forum discussions about historical chivalry since the well known ancient code of knighthood is based on the Christian faith and the unceasing war against the Infidel. Thank you for your comment Sir Edward. I respectfully request your judgement on these matters.
No worries, we just have to walk a fine line here sometimes. Historical discussions that involve religion and faith are just fine, and answering questions about present day issues is just fine, usually. What we avoid are discussions that can potentially turn personal. One of the things that we hold dear on our forum is the atmosphere of respect and civility, so we post these reminders about the rules so that those who are engaging in the conversation will remember not to cross the line later in the conversation.