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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Ulrich on 2014-06-12, 01:06:06
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I have made it a goal to make a kit thats similar to what the historical Robin Hood or one of his merry men would of worn. From what I read he was from the mid 13th century most likely so that makes it much easier for me honestly as I already have shoes, braies undershirt and weapons from the 13th century. I have been trying to piece together what I need so far and I am pretty sure I am gonna need either green or brown colored clothing to fit the "forest colors" so to say, especially a green tunic, which I would prefer either the Anglo Saxon design or a 13th century design preferably in linen as I plan for this to be a summer kit. Bows I am working on so far, I may go with a longbow and some period arrows, this way I could take up archery as a hobby as well, though I know more about swordplay than I do Archery. My biggest issue currently is finding a green 13th century hood similar to the one I have currently. All I have is a copper colored one at the moment and I'm not sure how that would fit with the green, may have to commission or make it myself. I already have a suitable sword for england, the reeve though the colors wouldn't work well for it being red and black, though I would assume people back then wouldn't of cared as long as it functioned well, especially for an outlaw like Robin Hood who probably would of looted most of his gear rather than payed for it, then again I always have the option of using one of my Type XIVs though those are period for the late 13th not the mid 13th. I already know I would need a bracer which can easily be gotten at KOA though I'd have to buy 2 due to them being sold in pairs. Belts wise I am all set I got commoners belts and I have a new pouch that will be coming soon. I am not sure if someone like robin hood would carry a big shield around, I do have a question about bucklers, I would imagine him to have a small buckler though I am not sure how they looked in the 13th century if the all metal examples even existed then.
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I think it probably depends on which Robin Hood legend you want to go with; some say he went on Crusade w/King Richard which would place you at or near the end of the 12th Century, not fifty years later in the middle of the 13th. Robin Hood was a Norman nobleman in some circles, a Saxon outlaw (I think) in at least one story I read. Or maybe that was Ivanhoe. lol
In any event, it sounds like you're well on your way- I look forward to pics!
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Do the Robin Hood that was a Saxon noble like in this version. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGbFTcz3rlI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGbFTcz3rlI)
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There it is; knew one of the ones had him as a Saxon. Some would say that the Bergin rendition is the best of the modern era RH movies but I'd disagree.
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I may do the Saxon thing then and just use my Reeve, I just need a green tunic some green or brown chausses and a hood for the "start" of the kit, bow can come later as I am still doing research on what kind of bow I want to get. I already have a bunch of people hooking me up with boyers who make bows and stuff I'm trying to choose wisely as I plan to use this bow for archery which I may take up given I can find a nearby range. I could always give my kit armor but I sorta want to do the traditional depiction of the green and hooded version.
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I think you have a cool idea going there. Though I have no idea where you'd find appropriate-colored clothing. Does Historic Enterprises or Revival offer stuff in those colors? ???
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I saw they had green chausses and tunics on HE, I may just use my copper hood for the kit as I saw pics on google of Robin hood and the green combined with the copper didnt look too bad, so maybe I just need a tunic and chausses, making it easier than I thought to get what I want. Now to figure out what color green to pic if anyone knows how they look please let me know because some are too dark and others too light.
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i think you need to start with your reddish color fox costume part first, then get the gear that would fit over it
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Fox costume, Sir Wolf?
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(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111126033432/disney/images/2/22/Disney-robin-hood-help1280-1280x1024.jpg)
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I got red enough hair that I dont need a fox costume :P to look like a fox. Though right now I am stuck on what kind of tunic to buy which I wanted to get an anglo saxon type like this http://historicenterprises.com/mens-c-99/tunics-c-99_114/tunic-anglosaxon-linen-c-9001100-p-873.html (http://historicenterprises.com/mens-c-99/tunics-c-99_114/tunic-anglosaxon-linen-c-9001100-p-873.html) or this one http://historicenterprises.com/mens-c-99/tunics-c-99_114/tunic-button-neck-linen-p-1499.html (http://historicenterprises.com/mens-c-99/tunics-c-99_114/tunic-button-neck-linen-p-1499.html)
I am getting it in linen either way to be lighter for the summer as I already have a wool one in orange and black which looks brown. I just need to know what pale green and light green look like from that shop.
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i think you need to start with your reddish color fox costume part first, then get the gear that would fit over it
good!
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111126033432/disney/images/2/22/Disney-robin-hood-help1280-1280x1024.jpg)
BETTER! :)
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Oh boy. lol
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As was mentioned on Book of Faces, if you can find natural / undyed, get that, and dye it to preference
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And no cheating, get wool :)
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Would get wool but I dont see any green tunics for sale made of wool or chausses even. Seems to be all sold out. Tailored tunics is all but totally swamped with orders and I dont feel like waiting a year for a commission. I can either sew it myself and probably fail hard because I got a really shoddy machine or take what I can get from HE. I need a second set of clothing for my father anyway for the next DoK as he actually wants to participate this time, I already have a set of soft shoes he can borrow as our feet are the same size and I know he wont wear chausses and braies or any form of "hard shoes" so he'll have to borrow a set of my MRL Robin Hood pants for an anglo saxon impression due to the fact he likes England which can easily be hidden with the leg wraps if they're too farby to be shown..
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just wait till post pensic. then things will be back in stock and custom orders will be back in a week week delivery range
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I already got the light green tunic and some chausses should arrive soon, I was checking all their stuff on their page and it has a slight blueish tinge and isnt puke green at all. Should work fine for the Robin Hood getup and a second soft kit. I plan to use my reeve with this outfit as it's the most English sword I own and as I'm portraying him as a saxon outlaw it's perfect for that. Now my question is what kind of bow should I get? I want a good one and I am weary about buying low quality ones, I just want one plus about 12-24 arrows to go with it. I dont plan to use the arrows for shooting as I would rather mess up cheap replaceable ones. My budget for the bow is around 200 bucks.
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Coming from a Mongol point of view...recurved one!!!
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I do know recurved longbows did exist in the 1500s. I will have to ask a few people around about if they did exist in the 1250s. Doing more research I looked up what kind of greens would of been used in period and there really wasnt any greens that were bright and vibrant as they would of been more natural and earthly toned.
I have decided I am gonna use my 12th century shoes with this kit which should be fine. I may or may not need a cloak and I am gonna use my regular 13th century copper hood with the outfit. I will be using my Albion Reeve with the kit as well as it's a perfect Englishman's sword. I am debating on picking up a buckler for this kit as well and I will not be getting a quiver for the arrows but I may use an arrow bag instead.
Tunic came I just wish they gave me the chausses colors for the tunic instead though I assume it was meant to be lighter with the tunic and darker with the legs.
(http://i.imgur.com/bEwuYfGl.jpg)
Most tell me to keep it but I am not sure if he would of worn such a faded color and I am a bit hesitant to wash it to shrink it to my size cause I am worried the colors may run lighter. Pics dont do it justice because it seems greener in person rather than the cam which distorts colors but heres the contrast.
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long bow. thats what you want.
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long bow. thats what you want.
Yeah, if you want to pass for English, there's only one bow :)
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long bow. thats what you want.
Yeah, if you want to pass for English, there's only one bow :)
Agreed, just don't get an authentic pull weight
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Would the bows on KOA named Rudder bows be anybit good?
http://www.kultofathena.com/rudderbows.asp (http://www.kultofathena.com/rudderbows.asp)
I havent seen any reviews on them but they look decent and historical to me.
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Would the bows on KOA named Rudder bows be anybit good?
http://www.kultofathena.com/rudderbows.asp (http://www.kultofathena.com/rudderbows.asp)
I havent seen any reviews on them but they look decent and historical to me.
You should lose that vinyl grip they put on them, and stick with the bows that avoid bamboo. Ideally you'd want a yew bow, but I didn't see any actual yew bows there. Non-yew bows are also historic, but bamboo is definitely not for Medieval Europe.
Yew was ideal because if you don't know it naturally does what people try to duplicate when they laminate bows. Yew is naturally laminated. You can see the darker heartwood and the creamy colored sapwood on one piece. The sapwood is flexible and allows the bow to bend without breaking. The heartwood resists compression and is where the power comes from in the release. That's why yew was so sought after in Medieval England. Yew staves were mandated by law to be imported with other goods at certain points in England.
Bowyers without access to yew, or to save money would laminate two different types of wood in order to provide similar properties to what yew does by itself.
The natural two-tone of yew:
(http://heartands0il.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/englishyewbow_knot.jpg)
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Might want to check this out...
http://www.3riversarchery.com/product.asp?i=8550-2&gclid=CjkKEQjwrLSdBRDYvIL0soO4vo0BEiQABALkqaQHAqXQnr-bWxfIXmPEojqEcg8qVpi_RlYMzPTKNVDw_wcB (http://www.3riversarchery.com/product.asp?i=8550-2&gclid=CjkKEQjwrLSdBRDYvIL0soO4vo0BEiQABALkqaQHAqXQnr-bWxfIXmPEojqEcg8qVpi_RlYMzPTKNVDw_wcB)
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I would get a yew bow but may just go for a laminated bow instead due to yew ones apparently being hard to find. Still need at least a dozen arrows too they're expensive though prolly most the money being the hand forged heads. After I get the bow it will basically be complete to do this as I got everything else. Gonna go with a low poundage though cause theres no way I can draw back a historical draw weight, and archers were typically the most buff soldiers in the army too due to the draw weights being so heavy, right to the point of their arms being deformed from it as well. I probably will take a while looking for a bow though cause I wish to choose a historical design and choose wisely though I will be avoiding bamboo or other non historical designs. I assume I would need a bow stringer and a bag to store the bow in for travel along with an arrow bag rather than a quiver.
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Stay away from red oak. Maybe it was my strength but I snapped it in two trying to draw. Then I realized it had no backing or solid wood core. Stay away from painted staves so you can check the wood type and quality.
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yew is the best, then is it white ash? do NOT get red oak, its open pours will tend to break. yew is actually bad for eastern us climate. too humid will make the bow warp and lose it's shape.
while not in use de-string your bow.
no arrow rests or leather hand guards should be on your bow. horn tips on for certain time frames.
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Also the location the yew tree grew in matters. The colder the climate the tree grew in, the tighter the growth rings will be. LBC has a ton of yew longbows, they're all kept unstrung when not at shows as far as I know.
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Check out Grey Goose Bows (https://www.facebook.com/GreyGooseBows).
Cameron Christian-Weir is a local guy who is very active in the SCA scene and teaches longbow making classes at many MN / WI events. He’s a straight shooter (pun intended) and a hell of a great guy.
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yew is the best, then is it white ash? do NOT get red oak, its open pours will tend to break. yew is actually bad for eastern us climate. too humid will make the bow warp and lose it's shape.
while not in use de-string your bow.
no arrow rests or leather hand guards should be on your bow. horn tips on for certain time frames.
Sir Wolf is correct. However, if you laminate the yew with a lacquer, it keeps the moisture out of it due to climatic conditions that cause the warping.
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I am waiting on the bow until I find one affordable one thats laminated possibly hand made as well. My friend has a few bow crafters he knows so I am gonna check out his stuff too. I actually just ordered an english knight's tunic so I can play him as his "saxon noble" self as well though it's cotton not linen it's something I wanted for a while. I plan to have 2 parts for this kit the "saxon noble" part and the "outlaw" part.
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I am waiting on the bow until I find one affordable one thats laminated possibly hand made as well. My friend has a few bow crafters he knows so I am gonna check out his stuff too. I actually just ordered an english knight's tunic so I can play him as his "saxon noble" self as well though it's cotton not linen it's something I wanted for a while. I plan to have 2 parts for this kit the "saxon noble" part and the "outlaw" part.
Grey Goose Bows will have a shop at Pennsic. You should make a day trip to PA and pick up a nice yew longbow! :) And pick me one up too!
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oh sure, pay the 80-150 buck entrance fee for a bow lol. think i'd pay the 25 dollar shipping lol
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I am waiting on the bow until I find one affordable one thats laminated possibly hand made as well. My friend has a few bow crafters he knows so I am gonna check out his stuff too. I actually just ordered an english knight's tunic so I can play him as his "saxon noble" self as well though it's cotton not linen it's something I wanted for a while. I plan to have 2 parts for this kit the "saxon noble" part and the "outlaw" part.
Grey Goose Bows will have a shop at Pennsic. You should make a day trip to PA and pick up a nice yew longbow! :) And pick me one up too!
You should get you a yew longbow, you know!
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Ewes use yews, you should use yews, too!
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Ewes use yews, you should use yews, too!
Enough with the puns!! Stop it now or I'll poke your ewes out. I will charge you with yewsery.
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Ewes use yews, you should use yews, too!
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