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Miscellaneous => The Sallyport => Topic started by: Sir James A on 2011-12-04, 07:28:06
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Talk about a serious bell-ringing! I'd *really* like to know where/what this is - I'm betting it's in Europe somewhere. The video URL says LARP - it's definitely not. Wow!
http://www.break.com/index/larp-sparta-kick-2243803 (http://www.break.com/index/larp-sparta-kick-2243803)
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I heard it was a practice for 'The Battle Of Nations'.
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Sheez. Those freaking idiots. All it's gonna take is one guy getting seriously hurt to incriminate all of us >:(
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So I checked.
It is practice for The Battle Of Nations (http://battleofthenations.com.ua/ (http://battleofthenations.com.ua/)) which is held in Khotyn, Ukraine.
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So I checked.
It is practice for The Battle Of Nations (http://battleofthenations.com.ua/ (http://battleofthenations.com.ua/)) which is held in Khotyn, Ukraine.
Cool, how'd you find out the video is from there? I've seen a bit about the Battle of Nations, but I've never seen somebody take a kick to the head like that before, even in the rebated steel fights. That just screams broken neck / whiplash / head injury to take a head-snapping side shot like that.
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I saw that...I think the guy who got leveled could be allowed to feel some kind of way about that.
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A guy on the Armour Archive from Italy named Signo posted that it was BotN practice.
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=142795&p=2141275&hilit=this+is+sparta#p2141275 (http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=142795&p=2141275&hilit=this+is+sparta#p2141275)
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I don't see why a kick to the head in armor is any different than one in a martial art. MMA and even Olympic style TDA has plenty worse than that.
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I could see if there was some technique involved, but this guy just came around the backside and laid into the guy who appeared to be fencing with someone else- not to mention, when you only have one foot on the ground, a quick opponent could turn that against you. I guess that's kind of the point but I cannot recall having seen such a thing in the videos and clips I've watched over the years.
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Having started TDK at age 9 and having done BJJ I can tell you no one in those sports are holding back and they know how to hit and kick harder than what I saw in this video. I have browned out sparing before.
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james likes sports where its not gay unless you look into there eyes hahahaha
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I don't see why a kick to the head in armor is any different than one in a martial art. MMA and even Olympic style TDA has plenty worse than that.
I'm thinking the extra trauma/force/weight of the ~10 pound helmet would make it less fun than regular martial arts since your neck is going to be stopping the inertia of the added weight. I've been kicked in the head in karate, it wasn't fun, but it wasn't nearly as painful as that video looked - it's hard to say based on just the video, but I don't think I'd want one of those shots for "fun".
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Maybe maybe not. The weight of a helmet will reduce the likelihood of black or brown outs as the head will not move as easy with the added weight where as it may strain the mussel more with the added weight, which is worse which is better? It is all a judgment call.
I really cannot see how this is worse than watching MMA. I have see knock outs, people covered in blood, broken limbs, ect in MMA. In both cases people have chosen to play the sport/game as it is set up.
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In martial arts where striking is the order of the day, you prepare for that- you expect it. Let's take boxing for instance...as I have a long history of exposure to it; when I get in a ring, I know what to expect. Now, if you put a kickfighter in the ring with me, and I'm used to fighting by boxing rules, I'm going to be unprepared for a kick should he decide to throw one.
I was surprised to see that kick performed and landed; I guess because I was not prepared for something like that. I also cannot recall such a maneuver in the dozens of SCA vids I'd ever seen. I don't know much about BotN or its ruleset so my comment was strictly based on the video provided.
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In MMA, a 3rd dude doesn't run out from behind you and kick you in the back of the head when you're fighting someone else though. I think that was a total cheap shot any way you slice it. It all just depends on their ruleset. All's fair as the saying goes...
In a real war, sure that's a great tactic, take out the guy who's wholly occupied fighting someone else, but in BotN practice, you probably shouldn't try to injure your teammates to get a 'kill'. Let's face it, the object of BotN is not to kill or maim your opponent. And please excuse the broad generalization here, but a lot of SCA / BotN / WMA / .... etc fighters are not exactly in peak physical condition like a professional MMA fighter (but that's another discussion :o )
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The SCA in general does not allow striking from behind, also no kicking or striking on the lower leg. In something like the 30 the participants do ignore the from behind rules but that is one special case. Really cannot compare SCA to what the BotN does.
But yes I understand few people are surprised by another fighter in MMA I am just referring to how brutal the attack was, it is not any more brutal than TDK at the high level or MMA is my point. Seen way harder hits in martial arts and boxing. BotN is amateur hour compared to the training the boxers and martial artists do and they are not pulling strikes either.
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I've never watched any MMA, boxing or other things like that, so my visual calibration of pain is probably off by comparison.
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Actually, in MMA, boxing and kickboxing, when sparring, you generally go no more than 50 to 70% of force- you're training, not in battle, there's no reason to go full-out unless you're trying to actively injure someone.
I didn't bother mentioning it but Ian makes a great point- that was a cheapshot; any shot delivered from behind could be considered a cheapshot in training, in battle, not so much. Which is why my first comment was that I thought the receiver of said shot should be allowed to feel some kind of way about that. I know I would.