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Main => The Campaign => Topic started by: Sir Brian on 2012-09-04, 11:19:30
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Well on Monday it finally happened after five years I was turned away from the gate with my Maryland Special longsword. The security guy apologized telling me that even though he let me in with it on Saturday and with my saber one on Sunday they had an updated list since Monday morning that no longer allows them. You can’t even bring in the wooden wasters. >:(
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Well on Monday it finally happened after five years I was turned away from the gate with my Maryland Special longsword. The security guy apologized telling me that even though he let me in with it on Saturday and with my saber one on Sunday they had an updated list since Monday morning that no longer allows them. You can’t even bring in the wooden wasters. >:(
So they've decided to crack down on them now, eh? Grrrrr.
Better to find out now, than after hacking up another sword.
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Ugh! And I have been looking for a good cheapie to cut up for this year. Must be part of the "new direction"? Sigh.
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DAMMIT!!! DAMMIT!!! DAMMIT!!! Ugggghhhhh....
I'm still going to have a go at it. Well...I'm out a sword that cost me $30 (even though it was better than my wife's Hanwei singlehand practical, which cost me $90) and about $100 worth of leatherwork but ah well...what're you gonna do right? So much for my Faire prettie...
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Well on Monday it finally happened after five years I was turned away from the gate with my Maryland Special longsword. The security guy apologized telling me that even though he let me in with it on Saturday and with my saber one on Sunday they had an updated list since Monday morning that no longer allows them. You can’t even bring in the wooden wasters. >:(
So they've decided to crack down on them now, eh? Grrrrr.
Better to find out now, than after hacking up another sword.
I tested out their security policies myself, Sir Edward. I'll just have to buy the damn place I guess. Then all will be right in the medieval world. :)
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Where is this and why are they concerned with swords?
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At the MD Ren Faire, swords of any kind are no longer allowed, apparently. It used to be namely sharps, blunts or anything that resembled or could be used as a weapon. Sirs Edward and Brian had found a 'workaround' - scabbards filled with oddments of steel and/or lead and epoxy and topped with a guard, handle and pommel so that it looked like you were bearing a sword when in reality you were not. At least not one that could be drawn, and that was usually good enough for the ones running the Faire.
Which is not so much weird as odd- the VA one, which is less than 100 miles south allows weapons, so long as they are peace-tied you can carry them (pistol and other gun replicas do not apply here).
To answer your question as to why they do not allow them, Sir Edward or Sir Wolf can best explain it as they're the ones who have been going the longest and call tell you about some of the shenanigans that went on 'after hours' - drunken duels done with sharps and the like which caused the Faire promoters to enact the no-weapon clause, costume or real.
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so many reasons it's almost become folk-lore. (see what i did there? HAH) a lot has to do with MD's carry laws of blades longer than 3.5? inches. that and MDRF has a lot of back log of drunks n weapons... and the owners are lawyers and do not want the hassle. MD is such a stupid state and i for one am glad i do not live in it anymore. but will respect it's laws when there... (thinking of getting my ccp Sir Edward hehehe)
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Do you even need a CCW if you live in WVa? I thought they all open-carried out there anyway, like they do in VA. I remember the first time I saw some kid climb out of a hopped up 'stang with a Glock on his hip- this kid couldn't have been 20 yet but he looked like he'd carried for a while, wasn't shaky or confused looking, or sneaky looking either. One of the two things I like about the state of VA. The Blue Ridge Mountains is the other thing I like about that state. That's IT. lol
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not to carry, but i am thinking of getting one anyways.. of course you can't carry in MD from VA or WV ehhehe
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I heard that VA is issuing CCWs if you take their online course, you don't even need to be a resident to acquire one. That'd cover VA anyways.
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The CHP/CCW is needed for conceal carry in VA and WV, but open-carry is legal without the license. Generally concealing is better, since people tend to get stupid when they know there's a weapon nearby (as in, get uncomfortable for no good reason, sometimes calling the cops or trying to get you ejected from the restaurant or whatever). So having a permit is a good thing.
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Never thought of it like that...my response to that would be 'who cares' but I can understand how that'd get old after the 50th time of someone pointing out that you have a holstered gun.
MD has that stupid law about carrying knives with blades of 3" or less so wearing a sword is OUT.
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so many reasons it's almost become folk-lore. (see what i did there? HAH) a lot has to do with MD's carry laws of blades longer than 3.5? inches. that and MDRF has a lot of back log of drunks n weapons... and the owners are lawyers and do not want the hassle. MD is such a stupid state and i for one am glad i do not live in it anymore. but will respect it's laws when there... (thinking of getting my ccp Sir Edward hehehe)
I vaguely recall there being something about someone at the pub, who wanted more alcohol, and the 'bartender' cut them off, so the patron pulled a knife/sword on them - and no more after that.
It's a shame, especially considering the frequency that Sir Edward and Sir Brian go to MDRF, and their popularity there.
Now, about purchasing that faire....
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so many reasons it's almost become folk-lore. (see what i did there? HAH) a lot has to do with MD's carry laws of blades longer than 3.5? inches. that and MDRF has a lot of back log of drunks n weapons... and the owners are lawyers and do not want the hassle. MD is such a stupid state and i for one am glad i do not live in it anymore. but will respect it's laws when there... (thinking of getting my ccp Sir Edward hehehe)
I vaguely recall there being something about someone at the pub, who wanted more alcohol, and the 'bartender' cut them off, so the patron pulled a knife/sword on them - and no more after that.
It's a shame, especially considering the frequency that Sir Edward and Sir Brian go to MDRF, and their popularity there.
Now, about purchasing that faire....
Maybe that is their way of saying...work for the MDRF as "staff" (Sir Edward & Sir Brian) and then not worry about carrying your weapons.
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IIRC there are many states where, if you are a visitor with a CCW from another state, you can concealed carry there too, or at least the cops won't hassle you so bad.
I believe NV is one of them.
"Senator Feinstein. You are trying to get handguns banned in California yet we have found out that you are also one of the few people in the state with a permit for a concealed weapon. If your trying to get rid of handguns then why do you have this permit?"
"To protect me from the gun nuts of course!"
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Maybe that is their way of saying...work for the MDRF as "staff" (Sir Edward & Sir Brian) and then not worry about carrying your weapons.
Staff can't carry either. They banned that several years ago.
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Several years ago? I haven't been to it this year, but I seem to recall a staffer/guardsman who had a sword on his belt. When I asked him about it he said it was because he worked there.
I think we need a new Faire for the likes of us.
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Certain cast members can have weapons as part of their role, such as the Landesknecht guards. Boothies and other general staff are forbidden.
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Several years ago? I haven't been to it this year, but I seem to recall a staffer/guardsman who had a sword on his belt. When I asked him about it he said it was because he worked there.
I think we need a new Faire for the likes of us.
Well I'm open to 'partners' in a 'joint venture' of my 'medieval faire' business idea. ;) Of course, I had New England area in mind for it. This was a future thing I wanted to do but if it were possible to do it sooner, I say the better. My theme idea appeals particularly to the likes of Templars. ;)
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Maybe that is their way of saying...work for the MDRF as "staff" (Sir Edward & Sir Brian) and then not worry about carrying your weapons.
Staff can't carry either. They banned that several years ago.
Really?? I have pictures from MDRF with their employees/staff carrying in costume/character that day I was there. And the hypocrisy continues....... :o
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Ah but then it would be a JOB and we wouldn't be able to have as much fun! ;)
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Staff can't carry either. They banned that several years ago.
Really?? I have pictures from MDRF with their employees/staff carrying in costume/character that day I was there. And the hypocrisy continues....... :o
As I said in a follow-up, some cast members carry a weapon as part of their role, but it's forbidden for the rest of the staff and boothies.
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Staff can't carry either. They banned that several years ago.
Really?? I have pictures from MDRF with their employees/staff carrying in costume/character that day I was there. And the hypocrisy continues....... :o
As I said in a follow-up, some cast members carry a weapon as part of their role, but it's forbidden for the rest of the staff and boothies.
Yes I recall but I want to make an argument for the contradictions of the owners. :) You're not making this easy. :)
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lol, sorry about that. :)
I agree, there's plenty of hypocrisy. They have booths on site that sell swords, including wooden toys, however they turn away kids at the gate who want to come in with the wooden toys they bought there previously.
And while they can require customers to take steel swords straight to their car when they buy them there, they can't stop kids from walking around all day with the toy swords they just bought, otherwise it would kill the business for toy swords.
And kids swinging wooden swords around have ALWAYS been a greater source of danger than costumed patrons.
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And kids swinging wooden swords around have ALWAYS been a greater source of danger than costumed patrons.
Speaking from personal experience are you? ;)
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And kids swinging wooden swords around have ALWAYS been a greater source of danger than costumed patrons.
Speaking from personal experience are you? ;)
I think he is. Admit it, Sir Edward. You hit Sir Brian one day when you were wielding wooden toys in the playground & you wanted to reminisce ever since. ;D Hence, began your medieval rampage into adolescence & eventual adulthood obsession with long metal things. I knew it!!!! :) Time for payback, Sir Brian. Childhood mishaps cannot go unpunished after all.
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Several years ago? I haven't been to it this year, but I seem to recall a staffer/guardsman who had a sword on his belt. When I asked him about it he said it was because he worked there.
I think we need a new Faire for the likes of us.
Well I'm open to 'partners' in a 'joint venture' of my 'medieval faire' business idea. ;) Of course, I had New England area in mind for it. This was a future thing I wanted to do but if it were possible to do it sooner, I say the better. My theme idea appeals particularly to the likes of Templars. ;)
Certainly sounds like a grand idea, Lord Dane, if for no other reason than that we'd have a place to call our 'medieval home', right? Templar themed...if I didn't know any better I'd think you were courting me, Sir! ;)
I have always said that if I hit the big lottery, we'll have that- land, a small castle, smaller homesteads for you knights and your families...I'd want the whole shebang. Hey, its my dream, I'm allowed!
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Speaking from personal experience are you? ;)
Mostly observation, however I WAS one of those kids that sword-fought with other kids with the wooden swords while at the renfaire, yes. :) I learned at an early age that a longsword was a good thing. :)
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Speaking from personal experience are you? ;)
Mostly observation, however I WAS one of those kids that sword-fought with other kids with the wooden swords while at the renfaire, yes. :) I learned at an early age that a longsword was a good thing. :)
Hmmmm, I learned that a 'longsword' was a good thing when I began seducing... *ahem* I mean courting fair maidens. ;) LOL
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And kids swinging wooden swords around have ALWAYS been a greater source of danger than costumed patrons.
As long as the costumed patron isn't off-the-edge drunk, and attempting to verify your steel armor is real by punching it bare-handed. ;)
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And kids swinging wooden swords around have ALWAYS been a greater source of danger than costumed patrons.
As long as the costumed patron isn't off-the-edge drunk, and attempting to verify your steel armor is real by punching it bare-handed. ;)
Lol, Honestly Sir James! As if THAT ever happens! ;)
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And kids swinging wooden swords around have ALWAYS been a greater source of danger than costumed patrons.
As long as the costumed patron isn't off-the-edge drunk, and attempting to verify your steel armor is real by punching it bare-handed. ;)
Lol, Honestly Sir James! As if THAT ever happens! ;)
That happened once. ONLY once. ;) How's your hand buddy???
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Random thought ... would they turn away a sword belt with scabbard, if the scabbard doesn't have a sword in it?
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i carried a scabbard there once and didn't have a problem.
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Random thought ... would they turn away a sword belt with scabbard, if the scabbard doesn't have a sword in it?
That is still acceptable. It is after all just a scabbard...unless you want to tell every one it is a magical 'mime' blade! :D
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Random thought ... would they turn away a sword belt with scabbard, if the scabbard doesn't have a sword in it?
That is still acceptable. It is after all just a scabbard...unless you want to tell every one it is a magical 'mime' blade! :D
Better yet, tell those idiot MDRF security staffers that your empty scabbard houses the legendary blade of invisibility, named "Upyours". If they don't believe you, tell them to close their eyes, bend over, & you'll introduce it to them. ;D
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Random thought ... would they turn away a sword belt with scabbard, if the scabbard doesn't have a sword in it?
That is still acceptable. It is after all just a scabbard...unless you want to tell every one it is a magical 'mime' blade! :D
Better yet, tell those idiot MDRF security staffers that your empty scabbard houses the legendary blade of invisibility, named "Upyours". If they don't believe you, tell them to close their eyes, bend over, & you'll introduce it to them. ;D
Perhaps that wouldn't be a great idea to anger them as they could become petulant and deny us entry into the faire because of our 'deadly' spurs! ;)
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I do the empty scabbard thing ever since I got turned away the first time I came with an actual sword. Better to do a scabbard with integral belts rather than a generic swordbelt with a scabbard tied or snapped on like I used to do. An empty scabbard, especially one of the cheap Windlass ones will hang funny w/out the weight of a sword. An scabbard with integral belts will hang at the same angle with or w/out a sword (or the difference is small enough to not matter). I wouldn't bring my DBK out mind you- could get damaged if I sat on it by accident so I use the Robin Hood one I got from MRL. Thick, sturdy and if it gets damaged who cares (well I'd care a little lol).
Last Sunday, had one of the gate guys run up to me because he wasn't sure if I had a sword in my scabbard or not (left the sword in the trunk). I still think they went a little overboard with that rule, sort of like the zero tolerance rule in schools.
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I do the empty scabbard thing ever since I got turned away the first time I came with an actual sword. Better to do a scabbard with integral belts rather than a generic swordbelt with a scabbard tied or snapped on like I used to do. An empty scabbard, especially one of the cheap Windlass ones will hang funny w/out the weight of a sword. An scabbard with integral belts will hang at the same angle with or w/out a sword (or the difference is small enough to not matter). I wouldn't bring my DBK out mind you- could get damaged if I sat on it by accident so I use the Robin Hood one I got from MRL. Thick, sturdy and if it gets damaged who cares (well I'd care a little lol).
Last Sunday, had one of the gate guys run up to me because he wasn't sure if I had a sword in my scabbard or not (left the sword in the trunk). I still think they went a little overboard with that rule, sort of like the zero tolerance rule in schools.
I'll show up with badge & gun next time. There, all settled. :) I'll say the sword is department-issued. LOL Oh right, wrong state. :(
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Lord Dane, if you do that, let us know...the stir you'll cause would allow the rest of us to sail on thru! lol