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Main => The Round Table => Topic started by: B. Patricius on 2013-05-09, 00:19:43
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In relation to the epic thread started by Sir William
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,756.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,756.0.html) on good music to get us in the mood, what movies do you all enjoy watching when working on your kit? For example, the movies that we can just listen to, and literally play the movie in our heads while working.
I'll start:
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Season_of_the_Witch.jpg)
(http://www.seanconneryonline.com/robinh_cover.jpg)
(http://d2oz5j6ef5tbf6.cloudfront.net/movie/large/Knights_Tale_poster.jpg)
(http://blog.echoenduring.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/kingdom-of-heaven-499x720.jpg)
Knight's Tale is great because of the classic rock which always amps me up, and the story is just so enjoyable.
Kingdom of Heaven, with all the "almost period, what's a century between friends!?" style, definitely keeps me motivated to work on my mail.
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Probably a better thread for the Library. ;)
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I put it here since the "mood music" was in here. If it needs to be put in the library, I'm sure Sir Edward will say so. Any additions though?
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But my favorite of al time is Kingdom of Heaven.
Thank you for your visit. Thank you for your visit.
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Play it in your head? Mainly:
Monty Python and the Holy Grail. :)
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Don't forget the classics!
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(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qHpjVnzmL._SX500_.jpg)
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I don't think that there's a soundtrack in any of the aforementioned movies that I do not like- I haven't seen the Taylor version of Ivanhoe yet, but given the consensus, I'll probably like it. I really dug KoH's though...I don't know if it was by the books period or not, but I do know that it set the tone rather well.
Sylvanus...that's a great line, isn't it? You could almost feel the tension ratchet up until the young cavalier grasped his hand; I figured it was either that, or lose his head, eh?
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Sir William,
as you have already said, the historical facts may be off, but KOH is definitely one of my all-time favorites. I haven't seen Ivanhoe yet, and I've only seen about ten minutes of Arn but I know it's going to be one of my favorites as well, I was able to listen to the "Arn Suite" on youtube, beautiful soundtrack.
Sir Brian, two of the images you posted didn't show up. Any chance of trying again? I'm really wanting to get into the classics too.
Sir Edward, definitely Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail! I just wanted to save that one for one of you guys since I am at the moment not an esteemed "knight of NI!" and I also don't own it yet. My lady owns it, but her parents have apparently "misteriously lost it" as they claim! :o
basically, I'm going to be doing a lot of mail and anything to help is always a good thing. I still want to say thanks to Sir William to starting the "Mood Music" thread and Sir Edward for posting Two Steps From Hell. I'm obsessed with the "Archangel" album now! 8)
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Rome, GoT, Forbidden Kingdom, Redbelt, or Merlin
Though I rarely put on something theme based when working on my kit. IE I watched Defiance while sewing on my SCA dane axe.
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With Fire and Sword
The Hussar charges are spectacular.
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While it's not medieval, I like to watch The Last Samurai, as it deals with honor, integrity, philosophy, doing the right thing - and has some pretty epic scenes in it too.
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I saw this movie recently:
Official Trailer - Dawn of the Dragonslayer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5L7CC0S14#ws)
It doesn't have the production values of say, KoH or Arn, but it was still entertaining to watch, and I believe it is set in 15/16th C Scotland. Worth a watch, I'd say. An interesting tidbit, I recognized some Windlass products.
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check out The Advocate. great 15thc movie.
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I saw this movie recently:
Official Trailer - Dawn of the Dragonslayer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5L7CC0S14#ws)
I saw it too, not bad, as you said, it's not KoH or Arn or Knight's Tale level, but it's on Netflix. The rope duel was interesting too.
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My lady just added these to our repertoire:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c5/Elizabeth_golden_poster.jpg/220px-Elizabeth_golden_poster.jpg)
and another Nick Cage movie that you forget is Nick Cage:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1c/Sorcerers_apprentice_poster.jpg/220px-Sorcerers_apprentice_poster.jpg)
"No one knows how much time they have to be with the people that are the most important"
the two year old loved the Tesla Coil scene with the music! ;D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/12/RobinHoodMeninTights_Poster.jpg/215px-RobinHoodMeninTights_Poster.jpg) - and I know this may be perceived as heresy within this group, but I'm more a fan of Mel Brooks than Monty Python lol :-[ :-\ ;D
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I saw this movie recently:
Official Trailer - Dawn of the Dragonslayer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5L7CC0S14#ws)
I saw it too, not bad, as you said, it's not KoH or Arn or Knight's Tale level, but it's on Netflix. The rope duel was interesting too.
Yea, thanks for mentioning that because I meant to ask- was that practiced in period? I have read about the holmgang, but that was a Danish/Viking ritual where two men squared off on a staked hide- first blood on the hide or first step off usually determined the victor.
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I loved Beowulf - both the live action versions and the CGI version. Yeah I know it is not period, but it was gritty.
Also not period was the original Conan the Barbarian - yeah I know; fiction, but still very cool. The 13th Warrior: Also fiction etc., but inspiring.
And yes, Kingdom of Heaven was a pretty darn cool flick ;-)
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i just watched the old Prince Valiant last night. still a great flick. and ooooooooooooh the viking horns!!!!!! lol
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Corvus,
as far as I'm concerned 13th Warrior is just as "historically accurate and period" as KOH and Knight's Tale or Season of the Witch. Far as I'm concerned they aren't documentaries and were never meant to be so they're fine. At least Beowulf is at least slightly based on a period text ;D
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'Beowulf' was actually a story told and written in that relative time period, giving it a little more credence historically I think.
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'Beowulf' was actually a story told and written in that relative time period, giving it a little more credence historically I think.
AND...they were all fun films to watch :)
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I just watched a film called 'Black Death' (2010 I believe) starring Sean Bean. It was a pretty interesting film that takes place during the Great Plague and indeed it has an unexpected twist to the plot - which I at least, found intriguing.
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:)
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"Black Death" is one I'm interested in as well. Just a question though to those that have seen it:
Is it a horror film, like a thriller horror film, the gentlest of those I can think of would be like Jurrasic Park or Jaws.
Is it a horror film, like a slasher, gory crazy film, like Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, or the like?
Or am I completely wrong even with what I've seen and it's actually an adventure flick that happens to have one of my favorite actors in it? I'm thinking "Season of the Witch" or the first "Pirates of the Caribbean" type, with horror elements but definitely leaning more towards an "action" or "swashbuckler"
I'm not much for most horror films, although some, like Jaws and JP (if you can call them that) are amazing. If it's more adventure based, I'm totally down.
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Black Death is more of a medieval adventure than a horror, though it's horror-like. I guess your comparison to "thriller horror" is pretty good, since it's a story that slowly unfolds and a lot of people die, but without being a slasher. But it is definitely gory. There is some very brutal death and dismemberment, particularly toward the end.
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Sir Edward covered it. I've seen it twice, and don't remember any big fight scenes at all, either. It's a bit of a twisted movie, to say the least. Worth the watch.
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Yea, no big battle scenes with dozens or even hundreds of men on horseback, but the fighting that is present is brutal, very brutal. If you think more along the lines of Season of the Witch, you'll be close enough. I guess you could call it a medieval action/adventure with elements of a thriller, not really a horror.
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I think Ron Perlman was great in that film
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Excellent ;D thanks for the head's up
and yes Corvus, I love Ron Perlman in "Season of the Witch" too
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ron is great in just about everything he's ever been in. a class actor. i really liked him in that steampunk french dubbed film
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ron is great in just about everything he's ever been in. a class actor. i really liked him in that steampunk french dubbed film
what!?! there's a steampunk film that's dubbed in french and it has Ron Perlman?!? WTF?! ;D Links, Pics, or vidcaps or BAN!! :P - on a more serious note, I'm definitely interested in that one!
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112682/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112682/)
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now that is a creepy looking movie! I just checked out the trailer on Youtube, made sure it was the right movie too. Ron Perlman has always seemed to choose his own work, it's nice to see he's getting good recognition finally. A lot of people didn't know he played Beast in the "Beauty and the Beast" musical. It was that part that made del Toro and Mignola want him to play Hellboy, which I think is his best character to date. He IS Hellboy.
And why not!?! ;D in ode to Ron Perlman as Big Red, and they are great movies:
(http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/uploads/hellboy_good_guys_poster_l.jpg)
(http://rosenred.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/hellboy2poster.jpg)
I'm a fan of the comics, but I really like where they took Liz and HB in the movies, totally didn't see that coming and loved the concept of it. It'd be nice to see a trilogy, and I'm not really one for sequels most often.
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the third one is in the works
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Perlman played the Beast in the tv series w/Linda Hamilton as well, that was the first time I'd seen and heard of him. I thought he was awesome. He also had a bit part as a wheelchair bound liquor store owner in the Punisher fan film w/Tom Jane.
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I thought the original Hellboy was pretty darn good, actually ;) Waitin on the new Riddick movie - now that will be dark and 'fun' filled ;)
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Just thought of another movie, this one, while not epic in the sense of the others, the half-pint loves it and it does have some good humor and action in it to boot, and for some reason, I can't get my Scot-TISH Bro-gue ou ov me head when thainkun a-boout it!:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/How_to_Train_Your_Dragon_Poster.jpg/220px-How_to_Train_Your_Dragon_Poster.jpg)
and I gotta add this one too:
A History Of The Knights Templar 1/4 Origins pt 1/2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq1Ko99yPVM#) EPIC documentary, fun to watch while working on my mail
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112682/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112682/)
Rumor has it the original ‘Working Title’ was "Dora the Explorer goes to Public Middle School" ;)
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is there any proof to queen elizabeth fighting.
I think Kingdom of heaven.
Robin hood 2010
Arn the templar
Iron clad
and braveheart are all inspiring, and really good showings of medieval eras and the affect it had on people back then.
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is there any proof to queen elizabeth fighting.
I think Kingdom of heaven.
Robin hood 2010
Arn the templar
Iron clad
and braveheart are all inspiring, and really good showings of medieval eras and the affect it had on people back then.
if you want to bring up Elizabeth fighting... don't get me started on Kingdom of Heaven, let alone Braveheart. Braveheart is an atrocity to all Gaels and the Scots and Irish in particular. What's a thousand years between friends and Hollywood though right? Far as I'm concerned, everything I deal with at every event, stems from those two movies and my desire to make things right and respect those that lived and died in those times.
Braveheart hits home for me because I am Irish-Scot. Born in Galway.
For Kingdom of Heaven, the Templars in particular, the truth versus the myth is just so saddening... Guy and Reynald were never Templars for one.
now, for entertainment? All good movies. But for a "really good showing of medieval eras and the [e]ffect it had on people back then" no... not even close. No offense, but this is who and what I am. I'm an Experimental Archaeologist. So for me, those movies are just downright atrocious as far as historical accuracy. you'd do just as well watching Star Wars as Braveheart to learn how Scots fought the English in the late 13th century.
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I've never even seen Braveheart aside from a few short scenes here and there. I just have no desire to watch it. I probably should at least once just so I can say I saw it, but I jut don't think I could sit through it.
Kingdom of Heaven, on the other hand, I liked as a movie, and the costumes were [with a few notable exceptions] more or less period and rather nice-looking for a Hollywood production (meaning not overly fantasized). As a historical reference...not so much, but as an entertaining movie, yes. I think it's enjoyable, as long as you know fact from fiction. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't, nor do they care to look into it any deeper than what's on the screen.
How they portray the Templars is probably my biggest beef. These days, it seems like it's "cool" to portray the Templars as bad guys (see also: Assassin's Creed). Then again, considering how the Order ended, I guess it was cool to pick on them back then, too. It really is a shame.
Between Kingdom of Heaven and Arn: The Knight Templar, I'd have to say I like Arn more. To me, it was just a better storyline; it wasn't your typical Hollywoodized "Attractive hero rides off into the sunset with attractive leading lady ad they live happily ever after". I found that Arn's ending left me more satisfied with the story than KoH, but maybe that's just me. I'm sure a lot of people don't feel the same way about it.
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I've only seen bits and pieces of Arn personally, and man oh man do I love what I've seen. I can't wait to find it to purchase lol. And yes, yes I have Arn's sword on my dream wishlist of movie memorabilia.
I think personally the Templars are picked on because they're an easy target. Just imagine someone slandering the Knights Hospitaller... yeah good luck with that one. They're still around, and going strong, so they have the funds, connections, and ability to sue outright anyone. The Templars to me, are the ones that in chivalry, I've sworn to defend as they are helpless. All we can do is try to change opinion, and if not, at least point in the proper direction. For example, "The New Knighthood" by Malcolm Barber is an excellent example to direct people too. Amazing read.
As to Kingdom of Heaven, surprise surprise, we have WETA workshop to thank for those amazing kits of garb. My only complaint, and really it's just my personal preference and it's more accurate is if the Templars and Hospitallers wore long sleeved habits instead of surcoats. I love that look. But it also would run the beauty that is all that mail! 8) Sometimes I watch that movie just to keep inspired as I work on my own riveted hauberk.
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I've only seen bits and pieces of Arn personally, and man oh man do I love what I've seen. I can't wait to find it to purchase lol. And yes, yes I have Arn's sword on my dream wishlist of movie memorabilia.
I think personally the Templars are picked on because they're an easy target. Just imagine someone slandering the Knights Hospitaller... yeah good luck with that one. They're still around, and going strong, so they have the funds, connections, and ability to sue outright anyone. The Templars to me, are the ones that in chivalry, I've sworn to defend as they are helpless. All we can do is try to change opinion, and if not, at least point in the proper direction. For example, "The New Knighthood" by Malcolm Barber is an excellent example to direct people too. Amazing read.
If you can find it, get the complete version of Arn. The cut-down international version is pretty phenomenal by itself, but the entire thing fills in so many holes that the international cut left out.
That's a good point about the Templars. It's just like slandering a dead man—they aren't around to defend themselves. You can say whatever you want and people will believe it because they don't want to look into it for themselves.
But back to movies before I get too off topic. ;D
There are still two movies that I'd particularly like to see that are a little more difficult to find. The War Lord with Charlton Heston and 2007's Mongol. I don't expect The War Lord to be terribly accurate considering it's a 1960s movie, but it looks interesting. I heard Mongol was pretty okay, but don't know much about it other than that it exists.
And for the record, I have seen The Conqueror with John Wayne. Let's just say that the Duke as Genghis Khan....yeah, no. :P
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There are things in kingdom of heaven that make me mad. Especially the Templars!
1. would never be hanged in public
2. Reynald of chattilon was not a templar. Although he was wicked.
3. Tiberius tho he was awesome, was made up completely.
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I've only seen bits and pieces of Arn personally, and man oh man do I love what I've seen. I can't wait to find it to purchase lol. And yes, yes I have Arn's sword on my dream wishlist of movie memorabilia.
I think personally the Templars are picked on because they're an easy target. Just imagine someone slandering the Knights Hospitaller... yeah good luck with that one. They're still around, and going strong, so they have the funds, connections, and ability to sue outright anyone. The Templars to me, are the ones that in chivalry, I've sworn to defend as they are helpless. All we can do is try to change opinion, and if not, at least point in the proper direction. For example, "The New Knighthood" by Malcolm Barber is an excellent example to direct people too. Amazing read.
If you can find it, get the complete version of Arn. The cut-down international version is pretty phenomenal by itself, but the entire thing fills in so many holes that the international cut left out.
That's a good point about the Templars. It's just like slandering a dead man—they aren't around to defend themselves. You can say whatever you want and people will believe it because they don't want to look into it for themselves.
But back to movies before I get too off topic. ;D
There are still two movies that I'd particularly like to see that are a little more difficult to find. The War Lord with Charlton Heston and 2007's Mongol. I don't expect The War Lord to be terribly accurate considering it's a 1960s movie, but it looks interesting. I heard Mongol was pretty okay, but don't know much about it other than that it exists.
And for the record, I have seen The Conqueror with John Wayne. Let's just say that the Duke as Genghis Khan....yeah, no. :P
Yeah, that's one movie I am glad I didn't watch with the Duke in it lol I'm an avid western fan, and I sincerely believe that western, and modern war drama, is where the Duke belongs lol.
I've heard so much about the international vs the complete version that yep. That's why I don't own it yet. I always am a sucker and end up buying the "director's cut/10 minutes extra plus 4 hours of bonus" anyway, so when it comes to Arn. I'm definitely thinking patience is a virtue and I'll get it when I can.
I'd like to add another movie to the list. Another, completely historically inaccurate but what the heck it's a good flick I think!
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the armor... yeah, it's atrocious lol
the acting... yeah, it's bad too
the script... predictable
but man is it a fun movie to watch! :D
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I watched the shorter, international version of Arn and thought it was quite good. That version is about 2 hours long, and the original, uncut version is more like 4.
I have since ordered (but not yet watched) the longer version, which you can get on Bluray here: http://amzn.com/B007K7IB84 (http://amzn.com/B007K7IB84)
I pretty much agree with a lot of what you guys mentioned about Kingdom of Heaven. My biggest gripe is the portrayal of the Templars as well. The director's cut improves the film overall, filling in a few gaps, but the Templar portrayal is pretty much the same.
In addition to being an easy target, I think it's become a bit of a cultural norm in modern story telling to make the large establishments out to be the bad guys automatically. The Templars were widely known, wealthy, and had enormous influence. That practically makes them Darth Vader and the Stormtroopers by today's movie standards.
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There are still two movies that I'd particularly like to see that are a little more difficult to find. The War Lord with Charlton Heston and 2007's Mongol. I don't expect The War Lord to be terribly accurate considering it's a 1960s movie, but it looks interesting. I heard Mongol was pretty okay, but don't know much about it other than that it exists.
I have The War Lord, but haven't seen the other. The War Lord is actually pretty decent. Some of the visual effects, and costuming for the bad guys are of course laughable, but the story is pretty decent and sets a nice atmosphere.
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I think The 13th Warrior is an underrated movie. Sure, it might not be the best movie, but darn it if it isn't a good "manly" movie. It's just good, wholesome, limb-hacking fun!
I have The War Lord, but haven't seen the other. The War Lord is actually pretty decent. Some of the visual effects, and costuming for the bad guys are of course laughable, but the story is pretty decent and sets a nice atmosphere.
I'll have to keep my eye out for it. It's on Amazon, but it's a bit on the expensive side right now. If I ever run across it for a good price, I'll definitely grab it. I like Charlton Heston movies anyway.