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Main => The Great Hall => Topic started by: Sir Justin on 2012-06-03, 04:51:04
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Hail fellow knights and nobles! I am obviously new to the forums and I found the forums in fact by looking for a nice Templar shield (and thank you Sir Edward for the amazing shield, it is in great shape and is well made) and I soon found myself wondering the forums. I am working on getting a Templar suit of armor and slowly but surely, I'll get whole outfit. Some of my other hobbies consist of soccer, some video games, and of course having a fun time in general. I am quite busy for now, but hopefully soon I can find time and get more involved in the forum community. But thank you for your time (and the approval to the forums) and cya guys around the forums.
Have a Great day, and God Bless.
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Welcome! I also found the forums while searching for some new gear ;D
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Well met and welcome to the forum! I am sure you will find the information you seek (or at the very least a few good leads in your quest for knowledge!) ;)
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huzzah and welcome! where are you located? what do you need help with your kit? we like to spend your money so beware hahahaha
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Welcome aboard Sir Justin!
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Welcome to the forum, and I'm glad you're enjoying the shield!
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Huzzah and welcome! You'll find we're a friendly and helpful lot around here.
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huzzah and welcome! where are you located? what do you need help with your kit? we like to spend your money so beware hahahaha
Thank you for the warm welcome guys. And I am located in Washington state, USA. I have a general feel for what I want for my kit, but im still keeping a lookout. The website i have mainly been using to find parts for my Templar kit is http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/s-3-crusades.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/s-3-crusades.aspx) and of course ebay and other sites.
But I am always open to any and all advise for my kit. I currently have 2 swords (that I bought awhile back) and a Templar shield. I dont have too much money to spare atm, but hopefully that will be a temporary problem. :P
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huzzah and welcome! where are you located? what do you need help with your kit? we like to spend your money so beware hahahaha
Thank you for the warm welcome guys. And I am located in Washington state, USA. I have a general feel for what I want for my kit, but im still keeping a lookout. The website i have mainly been using to find parts for my Templar kit is http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/s-3-crusades.aspx (http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/s-3-crusades.aspx) and of course ebay and other sites.
But I am always open to any and all advise for my kit. I currently have 2 swords (that I bought awhile back) and a Templar shield. I dont have too much money to spare atm, but hopefully that will be a temporary problem. :P
I recommend starting a new thread specifically about your kit and the ideas you have for it if you'd like. Some important things to note in it would be specifically what time period you want to represent (as close to a specific date as possible is preferable, since these things changed in great detail possibly from decade to decade), what region you want to represent, and then how historically accurate you want to be.
places like medievalcollectibles are great for costuming for conventions and ren faires, but if you have interest in going the historically accurate route, I recommend staying away from places like that. We can point you in the right direction for options to get very historically accurate clothing and pieces for your hard kit (armor stuff). I can't stress enough to do the research first before jumping in, or you will more than likely make lots of purchases you later regret when you gain more knowledge (trust us, we've ALL done this).
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Alright, will do. I had planned on doing more research, and I will start a new thread soon. Thank you for the advice
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Well Come and Well Met Sir Justin! :)
I can't stress enough to do the research first before jumping in, or you will more than likely make lots of purchases you later regret when you gain more knowledge (trust us, we've ALL done this).
Tis true, we've all been there. As exciting as it may be, slow down and take your time. Discover which era and region most intrigue you before proceeding.
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Ya im in no real rush anyway. I still need more money anyway, so thats always an issue. But ya I will make sure to do more research before I continue to buy more for my kit, and I will also make sure to squeeze all the knowledge from you guys. ;) Thanks
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Welcome to the forums, Sir Justin...as one Templar to another, I can tell you that you've found a most excellent place for all things medieval...well met!
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Ah a fellow Templar, it seems I am in good company indeed :)
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You are...and the advice we have to give will serve you well, whether your focus is more costume and ren-oriented, or historically accurate/living history oriented. Medieval Collectibles, like Museum Replicas, specializes in the costuming side of things...their wares are generally durable and pretty well made, for off the rack stuff. After years of using them myself I am now of the mind that I want it to be a bit more historical- so of course, that costs more, but it needn't break the bank. Slowly but surely as they say.
Although, I should mention that I may be switching orders to that of the Teutonic Knights since they are a faith-oriented order, and still prominent in the 13th Century which is the period I'm currently focusing on. I blame Sir Nathan. lol
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Either Order is viable through the 13th. It's the start of the 14th that limits your choice. :)
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So it is...so it is. Its just...they really started losing most of their battles after the stalemate that was the Third Crusade. lol
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Welcome Brother,
You'll find yourself amongst learned company amidst these Brethren. I might also recommend a FB group known as the Beausant Brotherhood for all things Military Orders related. It will also provide other contacts to branch out elsewhere, if you so desire.
+nnDnn+
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Welcome and good speed to you Sir Justin.
G.
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You are...and the advice we have to give will serve you well, whether your focus is more costume and ren-oriented, or historically accurate/living history oriented. Medieval Collectibles, like Museum Replicas, specializes in the costuming side of things...their wares are generally durable and pretty well made, for off the rack stuff. After years of using them myself I am now of the mind that I want it to be a bit more historical- so of course, that costs more, but it needn't break the bank. Slowly but surely as they say.
Although, I should mention that I may be switching orders to that of the Teutonic Knights since they are a faith-oriented order, and still prominent in the 13th Century which is the period I'm currently focusing on. I blame Sir Nathan. lol
Templars, Hospitalliers, Teutonics....all Crusaders alike. Whichever Christian-based order you decide, take your vows, swear your feality, pledge your allegiance, make your salutes, buy your robes, take up your swords, and...end up spending more money than you thought you had. Which will make you understand why they were truely impoverished knights. lol
Personally, I think the Teutonics had the best look but the Templars have the most mystique (even to modern day). Hospitalliers had the most noble and faithful intentions of the monastic-based military orders of the Crusader-era.
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Lord Dane, what do you mean best look? I think we Teutonic Brudern also come in first place for best Entire Monastic Sovereign State, being the most powerful and running the most successful of the Crusades!
Sir William, join the Order, and help yourself to all the victory and glory you can stomach against the pagan foe!
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Lord Dane, what do you mean best look? I think we Teutonic Brudern also come in first place for best Entire Monastic Sovereign State, being the most powerful and running the most successful of the Crusades!
Sir William, join the Order, and help yourself to all the victory and glory you can stomach against the pagan foe!
Simply put, The Teutonics had the best signet adorning their surcoats. Hence, I like the look. Their devotion to the Crusader states before the fall of Jerusalem to Saladin, assisting at the battle at Damascus, & holding their ground at the siege of Acre during the Third Crusade (assisting Richard & Philip) is well documented to the Order's credit. They held out longer than most of the monastic orders. But your order was just 'war-mongering' in the name of the Crusader cause after the Crusader states fell. The battles depicted were very viscious where your order fought. "Season of the the Witch" (starring Nicholas Cage) minus the Hollywood additives in the beginning gives a good account time-wise of the battles engaged in by the Teutonics.
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Lord Dane, I believe you have us confused with another order. While I do agree that the Teutonic Order does of course have the best look ;), the order wasn't founded until the siege of Acre during the 3rd crusade (1190). We weren't even around until after Saladin took Jerusalem, though we did play a large part (along with the Templars and Hospitallers) in maintaining the crusader states throughout the 13th century.
Concerning our actions outside of the Holy Land (which I'm assuming is what you mean by "War-mongering") we actually had our theatre of operations changed to the Baltic in 1225, long before the end of the Crusades in the Holy Land. Our Baltic Crusades were legitimately called for and recognized by the papacy, and (in addition to converting the native peoples and bringing Christianity into the region) held a large monastic state comparable to any nation of Europe for a period of several centuries.
Furthermore, I would seriously doubt "Season of the Witch's" take on the Teutonic Order. The examples of battles shown had very little to do with the reality of the Teutonic situation. The Teutonic order operated in little to none of the areas mentioned during the time period, and weren't fighting Muslims at the time (the vast majority of the battles are depicted in the Middle East and fighting Muslims, while the Teutonic Order was in the Baltic battling pagans)
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Lord Dane, I believe you have us confused with another order. While I do agree that the Teutonic Order does of course have the best look ;), the order wasn't founded until the siege of Acre during the 3rd crusade (1190). We weren't even around until after Saladin took Jerusalem, though we did play a large part (along with the Templars and Hospitallers) in maintaining the crusader states throughout the 13th century.
Concerning our actions outside of the Holy Land (which I'm assuming is what you mean by "War-mongering") we actually had our theatre of operations changed to the Baltic in 1225, long before the end of the Crusades in the Holy Land. Our Baltic Crusades were legitimately called for and recognized by the papacy, and (in addition to converting the native peoples and bringing Christianity into the region) held a large monastic state comparable to any nation of Europe for a period of several centuries.
Furthermore, I would seriously doubt "Season of the Witch's" take on the Teutonic Order. The examples of battles shown had very little to do with the reality of the Teutonic situation. The Teutonic order operated in little to none of the areas mentioned during the time period, and weren't fighting Muslims at the time (the vast majority of the battles are depicted in the Middle East and fighting Muslims, while the Teutonic Order was in the Baltic battling pagans)
I stand corrected, Sir Nathan. I shall look more into historical references of the Teutonics. I did not focus on the Baltic states much... but I shall enjoy looking more into this. Thank you for some insight. I was under the impression that the 'origins' of the Order started earlier as a group of German Hospitalliers sanctioned by The Holy Roman Emperor & Pope Celestine II in 1143 but not officially ordained by the Papacy as a new Order until the Third Crusade (which hence became "teutonics") in 1190. Originally a hospice order that was converted to a more military order to serve the Crusader efforts.
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Well there was a German hospital under the control of the Hospitallers in Jerusalem before the fall to Saladin, but the Teutonic Order established at Acre was completely different. If anything, the original hospital can be credited for giving the Germans at Acre the idea.