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Main => The Round Table => Topic started by: Sir Nate on 2014-04-10, 02:41:22
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Recently in franklin regional highschool p.a. A boy stabbed 24 people before classes started. He has a criminal record of 4 attempted homicides, carrying a weapon on school grounds and 21 accounts of aggravated assault.
His motives are unknown, he has been arrested and charged as an adult. He is 16.
Here is the link for the full story m.wtae.com/news/stabbing-at-franklin-regional-high-school-in-murrysville/25391318
Miraculously none of the victims have died, although do have life threatening injuries.
What causes such Evil deeds?
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Sir Nate,
I would hazard a guess that the question will never be fully answered to the general public.
My speculation is that many events and factors spread over many years are required to trigger such a tragedy.
Ultimately, only two will ever really know the full answer; the suspect and his Maker. This statement may even be optimistic if the suspect truly has a mental defect.
My thoughts are with the victims and their families this night.
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There is, and likely always will be, evil in the world. :(
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Yes and for evil to advance requires that good men do nothing. I've been following this in the news somewhat...it always interests me how people make the leap from fantasizing to actually doing it. It is said that he is mentally disturbed, which means he's probably not Evil Incarnate, though his actions say otherwise. My prayers are with the victims and their families as well as the family of this kid. We should pray for him too...but I'm not in a forgiving mood (I rarely am).
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Good and evil, neither one can truly live without the other. Both will always exist. Sometimes the greatest things that keep the evil at bay are the little acts of kindness. Be chivalrous always my brothers and always strike evil at it routs and prevent it from growing into a monstrous tree that will only lay more seeds.
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Sirs,
I have to agree the short and tragic answer is yes there are evil people in the world.
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Sirs,
I have to agree the short and tragic answer is yes there are evil people in the world.
And that's why there are people like us.
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Sirs,
I have to agree the short and tragic answer is yes there are evil people in the world.
And that's why there are people like us.
Except we are bound to our laws. I wonder how other country's would respond if medieval vigilantes started guarding towns, and could stop mad men on sight.
We would still be equipped with crossbows.
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Not my intent to promote vigilantly behavior. I merely meant it's the honorable who balance out the evil.
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We could have our own Dark Knight. I guess his heraldry would have to be Or, a bat displayed Sable.
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We could have our own Dark Knight. I guess his heraldry would have to be Or, a bat displayed Sable.
I feel like this is a "day of wrong" idea for MD Renn Fest! Maybe next year when I have my black armor.
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We could have our own Dark Knight. I guess his heraldry would have to be Or, a bat displayed Sable.
I feel like this is a "day of wrong" idea for MD Renn Fest! Maybe next year when I have my black armor.
Indeed!
*** LIGHT BULB *** :)
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Yes there is Evil, just look at my former Uncle-in-law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadden_Clark), but I read this case and I see a very complex, not simple, situation.
As with so many things in life, the truth depends greatly on your own point of view.
"Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." -Master Obi Wan
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Yes there is Evil, just look at my former Uncle-in-law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadden_Clark), but I read this case and I see a very complex, not simple, situation.
As with so many things in life, the truth depends greatly on your own point of view.
"Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." -Master Obi Wan
Wisely spoken
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This is another question I have often pondered. What is evil? As a full time GM of role playing games I often must portray good and evil convincingly to the players, and in a game like D&D or Pathfinder the difference makes a big difference. But I often find in writing complex stories for the players to participate in, that the definition of "evil" depends on the perceptions of the player. I can demonstrate by asking the age old D&D question "So, what do you do with the baby orcs?" If you kill them while they are helpless babies, is that evil? If you spare them and they grow up to attack innocent people, does that justify killing the next bunch of baby orcs? The same kind of thinking can be applied to real life. But I confess this is merely academic, because the reality of life is much more black and white than art would have us believe.
One thing I can say from personal experience is that some human beings simply do not feel anything resembling common decency and humanity. Perhaps that, in it's fullness, is really the definition of evil.
"Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." -Master Obi Wan
I have always hated that line. One should be extremely suspicious of a ghost telling one that everything he knows to be true is a lie, and almost in the same breath who one's greatest enemy really is. The truth, my dear Obi-Wan, is not quite so flexible!
Scott
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This is another question I have often pondered. What is evil? As a full time GM of role playing games I often must portray good and evil convincingly to the players, and in a game like D&D or Pathfinder the difference makes a big difference. But I often find in writing complex stories for the players to participate in, that the definition of "evil" depends on the perceptions of the player. I can demonstrate by asking the age old D&D question "So, what do you do with the baby orcs?" If you kill them while they are helpless babies, is that evil? If you spare them and they grow up to attack innocent people, does that justify killing the next bunch of baby orcs? The same kind of thinking can be applied to real life. But I confess this is merely academic, because the reality of life is much more black and white than art would have us believe.
One thing I can say from personal experience is that some human beings simply do not feel anything resembling common decency and humanity. Perhaps that, in it's fullness, is really the definition of evil.
Scott
What you described (bolded above) is akin to sociopathy; those who do not recognize rules or boundaries- it simply isn't in their mindset. Does that make them evil, or simply untethered to society's dictates w/regard to personal behavior? The lack of such doesn't necessarily mean that such a one will ultimately be evil, but you can see how it'd be easier for him/her to be so. Still, people with Asperger's struggle to be empathetic/sympathetic because they're not wired to from the start; that lack of empathy can be misconstrued as lack of humanity for those who do not know (as I once did not). Thorsteinn on here (you may also know him from AA) is one such person.
As for the baby orcs, well some might see it as evil, I call it pragmatic.
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Simply because an orc is an orc, does that make him a bad person? Or is it the orc that raises that orc to be that way. Suppose there is a 3rd option, to not kill nor simply spare, but to raise it up and teach it good from evil. Some people act in evil simply because what they are doing they view as the "right thing". Like the Nazis thought they were performing good. But most of us and the rest of the world saw was an act of evil. Its all truly opinion when you get down to the dirt of it. Not saying the other side is right of course, because I see that as evil and what we here do in the name of chivalry is good. Do you get what I am saying?
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What you described (bolded above) is akin to sociopathy; those who do not recognize rules or boundaries- it simply isn't in their mindset.
We all know Orcs are inherently evil ;)
Aye - it is not from just thoughts or even words, but most importantly the actions one takes (or fails to take) that we discern where true evil lies.
I'd add that no one is perfect - while the example you've cited Naythan is, in my view, an extreme case, the potential to act for good or evil lies within everyone. The question is how & whether you act on those impulses, be they good or bad. Tis also why positive examples, role models and structures to help form and encourage the positive vaules are also so important.
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Simply because an orc is an orc, does that make him a bad person? Or is it the orc that raises that orc to be that way. Suppose there is a 3rd option, to not kill nor simply spare, but to raise it up and teach it good from evil. Some people act in evil simply because what they are doing they view as the "right thing". Like the Nazis thought they were performing good. But most of us and the rest of the world saw was an act of evil. Its all truly opinion when you get down to the dirt of it. Not saying the other side is right of course, because I see that as evil and what we here do in the name of chivalry is good. Do you get what I am saying?
I get that you might be looking for a more solid answer- but for me it is simple. Orcs should be put to death the moment they draw breath. ;)
All kidding aside, you make a valid point- what's evil (or not) is up to the observer to decide for themselves; that Hitler thought he was in the right did not make him so. He preached and practiced racial genocide on an obscenely large scale- granted, he's not the only one to have done so, he's the example you chose so I'm using it. But you may be right; our societal mores are drawn from how we're raised and what we're taught- but that does not absolve us from culpability; just because you're wrong and don't know it, doesn't mean you're off the hook. Ignorance is not an adequate defense.
I'll leave you with a quote from Kingdom of Heaven that sums up my thought perfectly:
"None of us know our end, really, or what hand will guide us there. A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus," or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. Remember that."
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Saw this today on the AA.
"Do you believe in the devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?" Hobbs
"I'm not sure that man needs the help." Calvin
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Saw this today on the AA.
"Do you believe in the devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?" Hobbs
"I'm not sure that man needs the help." Calvin
Ever since man created the nuclear bomb, we held the power in our hands to wipe out the human race. During the Cold wore, when Russia and the US were producing thousands of these bombs, neither one wanted war for they understood this. Or Alduin returns. Either one.
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Saw this today on the AA.
"Do you believe in the devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?" Hobbs
"I'm not sure that man needs the help." Calvin
1. *War
2. Or if Sauron gets the ring
3. I wonder if Uruk kai are naturally evil, since they are half orc and half goblin man.(thought of Female orcs.....)
4 I got in a similar argument with my cousin, she was saying how no one can be truly evil and I was telling her "no your wrong, unless you mean to tell me Hitler wasn't a totally bad person" etc. But I was saying that if people are born with conditions, then they may not be willingly evil. But she thinks that there usually has to be something thats triggers it, but I know for a fact someone can become willingly evil, even if they have been raised up well. My example will be Sauron right now, Since he wasn't always bad, but nothing bad was ever done to him to cause him to be bad. He simply enjoyed evil, I would not even say he was seduced by morgoth, since sauron came to him.
Ever since man created the nuclear bomb, we held the power in our hands to wipe out the human race. During the Cold wore, when Russia and the US were producing thousands of these bombs, neither one wanted war for they understood this. Or Alduin returns. Either one.