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Main => The Round Table => Topic started by: Lord Dane on 2013-03-17, 01:23:40
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Here's what I'm thinking for my new heraldry. Thoughts?? :)
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Very modernized, but if that doesn't matter - I like symmetry. Go for it!
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I do like the design. ;)
In medieval times, gold wasn`t generally used for "or" (gold) it was replaced with yellow. Much the same as "argent" (silver) was usually replaced with white.
G.
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The symbols in the upper corners are the ones I'm trying to figure out how to describe in heraldic terms, and see if they fit the rules. Are those circles?
So it might be something like "on a rondel argent fimbriated or, a cross pattee sable". What we may need to look up is the validity of having a metal fimbriated with another metal. Otherwise everything else looks valid. I'd consider either removing the gold outline on those circles, or make the circles completely gold (that is, just one metal).
In the end it's up to you of course. :)
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The symbols in the upper corners are the ones I'm trying to figure out how to describe in heraldic terms, and see if they fit the rules. Are those circles?
So it might be something like "on a rondel argent fimbriated or, a cross pattee sable". What we may need to look up is the validity of having a metal fimbriated with another metal. Otherwise everything else looks valid. I'd consider either removing the gold outline on those circles, or make the circles completely gold (that is, just one metal).
In the end it's up to you of course. :)
Right on the money, Sir Edward. I actually bought some rounded brass besagews that I painted to illustrate the cross pattee on each side to coincide with my tabbard in the pattern shown. The circles just illustrated it better. Your description sounds accurate. I did try the design with that thought both as shown & without the border. Most people I asked liked it with the white & brass outer border. But let me display the other one & you tell me what you think.
The chevron sable fimbriated or, the arming sword argent, and two mullets or are definitive. The cross pattee design is what I was stuck on.
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Hope it matches my surcoat.
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So far I've found (via wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fimbriation)) mention of "double fimbriation". I still don't see anything about fimbriating a metal with a metal, or how much the rule of tincture applies to the charge and its fimbriation (outline). Generally the rule applies to items on top of others, not next to. So if we interpret that loosely, I think fimbriating the rondels with crosses like that is probably fine from a mostly historical standpoint.
The new version of the shield is definitely "easier" in that regard, but in the end it's still up to you. :)
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The sword crossing the "boundary" of the chevron is what throws me.
(http://www.bookflow.com/Heraldry/img/heraldry1780-1.jpeg)
(http://www.bookflow.com/Heraldry/img/heraldry1780-4.jpeg)
(http://www.bookflow.com/Heraldry/img/heraldry1780-10.jpeg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9-IHnlIAOm0/UQc96Qq3mCI/AAAAAAAACuc/MnHIHPOL5qo/s1600/Templar+Masters+CoAs+texturized.jpg)
(http://medievaldunstable.org.uk/wpimages/wpa43fc1ee_05_06.jpg)
The only thing I see crossing a division / ordinary is another division / ordinary. Small sample set, and of course not everybody followed the rules back then, but the sword is the thing that jumps at me. :)
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As far as I know, it's OK. Not common, but not disallowed either.
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As far as I know, it's OK. Not common, but not disallowed either.
Ah, cool, thanks.
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What's the meaning behind the new heraldry, Dane?
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The sable (black) color to represent grief and reflect a state of sorrow for any lives I must take in life.
The or (gold) color to symbolize my rank.
The argent (silver or white) color to represent purity.
The crosses pattee to each side symbolize "two sides of every story" and the choices we make in life (good and evil; right and wrong; etc) & burden on each shoulder (i.e. cross we bear) from those choices. Also reflective of a Crusader knight of Catholic/Christian faith (who tends to follow the ideals of the Templars & Teutonics).
The chevron represents my para-military service as a field officer.
The stars represent 2 parts of the Holy Trinity (Son, Holy Spirit) that come together to meet in the chevron apex at the sword (The Father).
The arming sword is "Arbitrator", symbolizing the strength/resolve/wisdom of the divine Father & justice coming to a point in the form of the Cruciform sword. Justice at the point of a sword is the final resolution...and sacrifice I must make in my occupation in order to see it served.
The Great Dane that will adorn my Great Helmet represents me, Dane. Symbolic of an English hound of great prowess, hunting, fortitude, and loyalty. Always alert & ready to serve. It will be bronze in color in a standing position with cropped ears adorning a black & gold mantle with a black torse wrapped in gold wire.
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Excellent meanings.
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Agreed.
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Thank you both & all but which one is liked best?? First or second shield (granted it is a slight difference). :)
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i think i like the second. the first looks like it has eyes staring at me
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Second .. it's much clearer that it's a cross. I know the first one is a besagew, but if you hadn't told me that, I'd be kinda lost.
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Doh, somehow I missed this discussion! :-[
I really like the new heraldry Lord Dane and the significance behind it! Well done!
As for a favorite I think I prefer the second one. Have you considered having it a solid gold cross as opposed to an outline? ???
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Doh, somehow I missed this discussion! :-[
I really like the new heraldry Lord Dane and the significance behind it! Well done!
As for a favorite I think I prefer the second one. Have you considered having it a solid gold cross as opposed to an outline? ???
Yes I have. It is one of the designs I have saved but in thought, I deemed a golden cross would be in bad taste. Godly behavior is reflective in our thoughts and acts. They reflect who we are and our beliefs. I am not one to bear a cross of gold for myself (even in symbolism). A dark cross is more appropriate of the crosses men bear on their shoulders (even mine). A golden cross does not reflect me but more the ideals God has for us as good men. The idea behind it is the darkness that fills us hopefully does not reach the surface and is guided/controlled by the good nature reflective in God's will that we do right by his example.
I am not one to reflect anything I am not. I serve, and make choices that must reflect who I am and choices I must live with (good and bad). What makes us mortal and not divine is that we live with dark choices, and also with regret if they are wrong. We live with sin and seek forgiveness for it. We make mistakes and hope for self-improvement. But always we bear a dark stain upon us and hope it helps lead us to righteous behavior so we can be forgiven (and forgive ourselves) for those mistakes we make. Far from perfect, we must better ourselves to be any reflection of what God expects of us. The cross overlays the darkness and reflects the righteousness of choice that becomes what we do in life through our actions for which we are judged by.
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Here is my heraldry...what does everyone think?
I have two of them that I could use...
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I like the counterchanged cross (or whatever the term is, my blazonry is lacking) - but then, I am partial to that schema. ;)
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Here is my heraldry...what does everyone think?
I have two of them that I could use...
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And who might you be good Sir?
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Interesting heraldry,I would stick with the second one to make the heraldic terminology easier.
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I am new to the forum and very much interested in joining the order...I am also a Lord in the Society for Creative Anachronism and these are my arms....if granted the opportunity to join the order I would use one or both of these for my arms..
Lord Murchadh
SCA known as Lord Chagatai
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Here is the blazon for the Cross...
Per pale sable and Or, a cross formy throughout counterchanged.
Registered in 2005-09
Here is the blazon for the Wyvern....
Or, a chevron gules and overall a legless wyvern displayed contourny, tail nowed sable.
Registered in 2005-07
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Welcome to the forum. I would like to direct you to "The Great Hall" section of the forum where we can properly welcome you aboard with an appropriate introduction so we can all learn a little about you.
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those are both cool
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I like them both. I'm a little surprised about having a sable wyvern over top of the chevron, since it looks like color on color to me. But the SCA has everything pretty well standardized, so there must be a rule for it. In any case, I like it.
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The Wyvern is the overall charge so it doesn't fall in the color on color rule..chevron is a field division..
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The Wyvern is the overall charge so it doesn't fall in the color on color rule..chevron is a field division..
OK, that makes sense... though chevrons are technically ordinaries. :) Very nice though. I like it.
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Very cool and eye catching! 8)
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Just in case it does have better ratings, here's the one Sir Brian suggested. Thoughts?
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I do like it.
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Yes I like the crosses in solid Or!
Awesome heraldry Lord Dane! :)
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I do like it.
seconded
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So be it. The crosses pattee Or it shall be. :) One other thing I did not mention is a blackened steel harness with overlayed brass trim down the centerline and around the collar secured by brass rivoted black leather straps is another piece to advance the kit in history.
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Ok. Here is my final revision of my Coat of Arms. I like this as my final. Thoughts??
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cool, have fun painting it on a shield ;)
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I'll leave that to someone else. :)
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Ok. Here is my final revision of my Coat of Arms. I like this as my final. Thoughts??
I like it better without the lower lines, but just my 0.02 worth
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Very nice! I have seen some really cool looking coats-of-arms on this forum. Are these all drawn up by hand using photoshop, or is there some kind of software you are using to assist in the application of the graphics?
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A combination of the two. One of the better programs for basic heraldry is this one:
http://inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms/ (http://inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms/)
We've standardized on that one for the roll-of-arms on the website. What it doesn't do, and I really wish it did, is sections other than straight lines... such as embattled, wavy, and so on. Blazon95 does those, but it's really terrible in other ways.
So usually I'll start with COA Design Studio, and then do whatever alterations are needed in Photoshop.
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Ok. Here is my final revision of my Coat of Arms. I like this as my final. Thoughts??
I like it better without the lower lines, but just my 0.02 worth
Ditto. - I think the additional lines makes it a bit 'busy'.
cool, have fun painting it on a shield ;)
and Ditto! ;)
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I don't like the lines either...when I was taught about heraldry I was taught to keep it simple because people are going to have to replicate it...the simpler the easier (and less expensive) it is for someone to replicate it..
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A combination of the two. One of the better programs for basic heraldry is this one:
http://inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms/ (http://inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms/)
We've standardized on that one for the roll-of-arms on the website. What it doesn't do, and I really wish it did, is sections other than straight lines... such as embattled, wavy, and so on. Blazon95 does those, but it's really terrible in other ways.
So usually I'll start with COA Design Studio, and then do whatever alterations are needed in Photoshop.
Very good, Sir Edward. Thanks!
Everything I have worked with in the past was hand drawn and that was many years ago in the SCA. I think I might have a wee go at trying this stuff out ;)
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Ok. No lines. Time for banners. Thanks.
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the simpler the easier (and less expensive) it is for someone to replicate it..
Definitely can't stress the expense part enough
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Speaking of which, I just got a message by pigeon alerting me to an impending delivery:
(http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/ebonpaladin/Armor/SirWilliamGonfalon_zpsdcb47e9d.jpg)
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Huzzah! Looks great!
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Excellent! Congrats.
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wow sweet! thats nice
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Even I have been playing around of late with my arms/shield design. Maybe not precisely within the custom of traditional heraldry but meaningful to me.
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Thanks, finally got something for the wall!
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Thanks, finally got something for the wall!
And
So
It
Begins
MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
8)
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You mean 'began'...until I met you fine fellows, I never gave thought to banners, gonfalons or heraldry...or periodicity. Heraldry on shields, surcoats, patches- and of course 'more armor more more more' - Sir James and Sir Edward are teh worst in that regard. They can talk you into buying more armor like its nothing. Sir Wolf provides the example. lol
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Nice Sir William!! :)
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That's very nice Sir William!
Lord Dane, I like your heraldry as well, and I am a stout believer of the KISS method.
Corvus, i like your design too, is that a Native American Petroglyph on the shield? I like the colors too ;)
I'm working on my heraldry as we speak for my group, and about the only thing I have set is:
my main device is a badger
the colors are sable, argent, and gules (black, white, and red) ... I'm debating on a Ermines (fur, white on black) background... I just don't know
but the "grumpy badger" has got to stay lol ;D
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Last but not least....it is fine.... :) My Coat of Arms is finalized.
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cool
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I really like it Lord Dane. The classic black and yellow looks great with those crosses and sword, very clean
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Speaking of which, I just got a message by pigeon alerting me to an impending delivery:
(http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/ebonpaladin/Armor/SirWilliamGonfalon_zpsdcb47e9d.jpg)
Huzzah! Looks fantastic Sir William! :)
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Dirk & Arrow just started on my gonfalon & pennant this weekend. :)
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Sir Brian, glad to see you around here again; and thanks! Looks good on the wall.
Dane, pics or it didn't happen. ;)
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Can't post pics if they just started them.
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Can't post pics if they just started them.
BAN BAN BAN!
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Sir Wolf does own the Banhammer. lol
I missed the 'just started' Dane- we'll wait.
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Preliminary Artwork & almost final products
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Awesome! I really like the detail of the gold/yellow alternating on the perimeter that border the field on the banner.
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Lord Dane, love the variances between them. Very cool and very authentic. I've loved reading about your progress on this thread. Looks very cool. I'm not one for black and yellow, just because in my area it's done way overkill. You Sir, definitely show how cool it can be.
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Can't post pics if they just started them.
BAN BAN BAN!
Would someone please give Sir Wolf a prehistoric club so he can live out his desire to be the infant son of Barney & Betty Rubble ::)
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Preliminary Artwork & almost final product
Looks Awesome! :)
Can't post pics if they just started them.
BAN BAN BAN!
Would someone please give Sir Wolf a prehistoric club so he can live out his desire to be the infant son of Barney & Betty Rubble ::)
No worries! Just keep feeding him pictures and the occasional cannoli and all will be well! ;)