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Main => The Campaign => Topic started by: Sir Edward on 2010-03-11, 18:35:24
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Time to do my annual posting of the dates of several of the east-coast area faire seasons, roughly in order of opening date:
BARF (http://www.renaissancefest.com/) (FL): February 13 - March 28
NCRF (http://www.ncrenfaire.com/)*: April 10 - 25, and May 8 - 16
GARF (http://www.garenfest.com/): April 17 - June 6
TennRen (http://www.tnrenfest.com/): May 1 - May 31
CTRF (spring) (http://www.ctfaire.com/connecticut_renaissance_festival/index.php): May 8 - 23
VARF (http://varf.org)*: May 15 - June 13
KYRF (http://www.kyrenfaire.com/): June 5 - July 11
NJRK (http://www.njkingdom.com/)*: Jun 19 - June 27
PARF Celtic Fling (http://www.parenfaire.com/celticfling.html)*: June 25-27
Sterling NY (http://sterlingfestival.com/)*: July 3 - August 15
GLMF (http://www.medievalfaire.com/): July 10 - August 15
Bristol (http://www.renfair.com/bristol/) (IL/WI): July 10 - September 6
Tux NY (http://www.renfair.com/NY/)*: August 7 - September 26
PARF (http://www.parenfaire.com/)*: August 14 - October 31
Pitt (http://www.pgh-renfest.com/)*: August 21 - September 26
MDRF (http://rennfest.com/)*: August 29 - October 25 2009 (website is broken, I'll update the dates later)
Ohio (http://www.renfestival.com/): October 17 - September 4
CTRF (fall) (http://www.ctfaire.com/connecticut_renaissance_festival/index.php): September 25 - October 24
CRF (http://www.royalfaires.com/carolina/)*: October 9 - November 21
* Asterisks mark the ones I've been to before. I've also been to TRF (TX) and Colorado, but I'm not listing them as "local". :)
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Sir Edward,
May I add the Faires we produce? As well any members of Modern Chivalry and their immediate Family are welcome to attend these Faires in garb with weapons for free however you must contact me to register so that our Gate Staff will grant you access.
The Renaissance of the Matriarch - April 10-11, 2010 in Stuarts Draft VA. http://www.medievalfantasiesco.com/RenaissanceoftheMatriarch.htm
St Luke's Renaissance Festival - May 22-23, 2010 in Culpeper VA. http://www.medievalfantasiesco.com/StLukeRenaissanceFaire.htm
The Stone Tower Glenn Renaissance Faire - June 19-20 & August 21-22, 2010 in Mt. Solon VA. http://www.medievalfantasiesco.com/StoneTowerGlenn.htm
The Gloucester Renaissance Festival - July 17-18, 2010 in Gloucester VA. http://www.medievalfantasiesco.com/Gloucester.htm
The Green Hill Medieval Faire & Highland Games - September 25-26, 2010 in Salem VA. http://www.medievalfantasiesco.com/GreenHill.htm
We are also in negotiation for two additional Faires, one in Norfolk VA and the other in Chesapeake VA which will also include a Medieval Tourney.
Thank you!
I am at your service,
Sir Blackwolf
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Yes, absolutely. The more the merrier. :)
I still haven't been to any of those. I may have to try to make it out to at least one this year.
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There's also RenCon, on the weekend of April 10th:
http://www.renconvention.com/ (http://www.renconvention.com/)
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may try to hit some in Aug or late oct
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There's also RenCon, on the weekend of April 10th:
http://www.renconvention.com/ (http://www.renconvention.com/)
Anyone going to this, this weekend? I'm trying to decide. If I go, it'll probably just be Saturday.
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We were planning on going but decided to save the money for our trip to NCRF...besides I have to
work this Saturday so I can afford to play at NCRF! ;)
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i really hope i can hit a faire or 2 this year. my daughter loves going. but with the wife being due Oct 2 (realistically that means Sept 15th) hehehe I see a difficult time this year. If I go it will prob be last minute type trips
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Hey you guys, how's the one in Tuxedo?
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Tux is a nice faire, though a lot of the show is very tongue-in-cheek. Like the sheriff of Nottingham dueling Robin Hood in a... uhm... maypole dance. :) The joust is more a large choreographed show than an actual joust... but they're fun. You just have to enjoy it in the context it's intended.
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Hmmm...so its even more family-oriented? Still...might be fun. What's their weapons policy? I notice not all Faires post theirs...think I want to avoid any others besides MD that don't allow weapons. Feel kinda naked w/out my sword and dagger belted, you know?
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Yep, I understand! I think MDRF is the only east-coast area faire I've been to that disallows weapons. All of the others in this region have been peace-tie faires, last I went to them.
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That rocks...I had heard that at MDRF back in the day, it used to get pretty wild, especially after it 'closed'. Of course I wished immediately that I'd been around back then...but as with all such stories, it gets more romanticised as time goes on so maybe it wasn't so great as it is remembered. Makes me feel better at least for thinking it. lol
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Yeah I’ve heard many rumors and stories of back in the day when MDRF allowed weapons, most involving intoxicated Danes sword fighting in the parking lot after the faire closed which I find very believable since just last weekend when leaving I observed a group of unruly Danes well into their cups and parked about fifty feet from the front gate. One was wearing a banana suit ~ no I am not kidding and no I wasn’t intoxicated either ~ who was waving around a real sword (or at least a SLO) and generally displaying those traits typical of a drunken moronic a-hole. I did not bother to stick around and find out if security came out to put a stop to their shenanigans or not as I could only imagine I would’ve ended up as fodder for their inebriated nonsense. So after witnessing that I am convinced that MDRF’s weapon policy SHOULD stay in effect as long as they are going to be so lax with the public drunkenness and underage drinking. :-\
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well being that the faire is owned by 4 lawyers and Maryland laws says no blade over 3 inches can be carried, they don't fool around
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Makes me GLAD that I live where I do....buncha Scots in the mountains, try and take OUR blades!!! ;D
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Uh no thank you! It's well known you Scots don't play nice and definitely don't fight fair! ;)
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Just because we are armed to the teeth in church..... ;)
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...as one should always be...certainly might've helped Thomas Becket, no? ;)
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Couldna' put it better ma' ;)self...
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I think to walk about unarmed is to put one's self at unnecessary risk. ;)
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anyone gonna be at faire say oct 16th? we're thinking this maybe a day we can make
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I can probably do that. I'll be there most of the October dates, though I still haven't decided about the Saturday of closing weekend, since there's a WMA event that weekend, and the Air-and-Scare at the Udvar Hazy museum is that day too.
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Looks good to me at the moment.
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Ah crap! I'm going to miss the Modern Chivalry invasion day at MDRF!! :(
I have to start mandatory overtime (including Saturdays) next week until November 6th so I will only be able to go to faire on Sundays. :(
UPDATE:
I just found out that our mandatory overtime is no longer mandatory so I can probably make the
16th! :D
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UPDATE:
I just found out that our mandatory overtime is no longer mandatory so I can probably make the
16th! :D
Awesome! It sounds like an armor day to me!
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ok my wife said the 16th of October sounded like a good day for her to travel to her moms.
the Princess Autumn and I will be at the MDRF! huzzah!
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Huzzah! What's ya wearing? ...uh you do know I meant to the MDRF on October 16th right? ;)
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i am gonna wear my 13th century knight kit. new surcoat. don't have the shield done or the legs but it'll be ok. Autumn will be in her new princess dress i bought her
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Huzzah! I will notify the fairy...Princess Autumn is sure to be sparkled! :)
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Awesome, Modern Chivalry Invasion on Oct 16; the MDRF is GONNA know what hit'm!
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I'll try to make it down to MdRF the 16th. I've been coming up for OT about every other weekend and since this weekend I should be off, if the pattern holds I should be off the 16th too. It's hard to turn down OT, especially since I need to pay for my new work car since the old one took a crap on me and I am trying to save up to get another hand gonne and a wheel lock pistol, not to mention the material for this off seasons sewing projects and a buff coat!
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LOL
You sound like me man (the acquisition of new materials, not OT) - ain it grand? It'll be good to see you if you can make it.
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Sounds like a blast, I will be there. Be nice to meet some of the Modern Chiv guys that I haven't meet yet.
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Excellent! :)
It's looking like we'll have a great turnout for our Modern Chivalry invasion! Now we only have to figure out where we should all meet on the 16th and at what time?
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what time does it open again?
say 10-11? at the stage by jousting arena sounds good? or is there a smaller place that is more "hey that guy looks like one of us, and he is there at the right time so lets say hi" ehhehe
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I can never guarantee how early I'll be there. Some non-forum folks will try to meet up with us by the military encampment at about 12:30-1pm, but we can certainly try to meet up sooner too. We often don't get there before 11, though we can certainly try.
The faire opens at 10.
O'Shucks (Middleton's) and the White Hart are always great places to find me or someone who knows me. :)
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I'm actually looking to be present in the first half of the day as I gotta go look at a house before the open house closes at 6...I'll probably be gone by 4 (possibly earlier) if that matters.
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OK cool, we'll just have to make sure to meet up plenty early then.
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No need- at least not for my sake; I talked to milady about it and we'll go see the house first (11-11:30am)...should be at MDRF around noon or so depending on traffic. I'm coming from Bowie, anyone know of a back way to get there?
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The best way in is via Route 50. It's all right turns, very easy. If you're going east on 50, you'll want to take EXIT 22, Aris T. Allen + Riva Road. Be on the right when you see the signs for Exit 21 rt. 97, because Exit 22 is very quick after that. Stay to the right as the ramp splits, and at the bottom you take a right onto Riva at the light. Then take a right at the second light onto Truman. Truman will dead-end into South Haven at a light, and you turn right here. Then after a couple blocks you'll cross over 450 and the road becomes Crownsville Rd, and the faire is on the right after about a 1/2 mile.
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That's not the general directions they give everyone, is it? Just wondering...I'm looking to avoid that long line of traffic that usually begins a few miles back from the entrance. Can't remember the name of that road...either way, we'll be there!
For my part, I'm excited!
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The recently changed the website to make this the main directions from Rt.50, but it hasn't caused traffic issues yet. They used to tell you to get onto Rt.3 from 50, then go east on 450 for 6.5 miles before turning onto Crownsville Rd. It's probably 450 you're thinking of, since it backs up for miles if you don't get there early enough. And it's mostly due to the traffic light at Crownsville Rd, rather than the faire entrance. Coming across 450, from South Haven, you usually only have to sit through the red light once, and then straight to the faire parking lot without stopping.
This season I saw the first exception to this that I've noticed. I often get to the faire around 11 or 11:30, and usually can zip right in. But this past week was so ridiculously crowded that I saw crownsville road itself back up on this side. (The north side is a different story, as Crownsville Rd will back up all the way back out onto 97 and 32 sometimes).
The weather is probably going to be pretty good this weekend, so I'd expect a good crowd. But this past week was also Octoberfest (or "drunktoberfest" as we often call it), which is always packed if the weather is at all decent..
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Yup, 450 it is...since I live right off it, that's the way I would take, just wasn't sure if I took it all the way up. Apparently, I did/do. Welp, no matter what, I'll be there, with milady in tow! Or vice versa. lol
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I'm coming from Bowie, anyone know of a back way to get there?
Go east until the men speak Italian, then keep going until they speak something else. :D
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I'm coming from Bowie, anyone know of a back way to get there?
Go east until the men speak Italian, then keep going until they speak something else. :D
But if they speak Dundalkian then you went to far hon!
:D
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Yea, Dundalkian...it is a distinct patois and I'd know I'd gone too far then. lol
Red Knight...I was waiting for it, thank you for stepping up! ;)
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and now for the weather!
http://www.weather.com/weather/wxdetail/USMD0113?dayNum=1&&?= (http://www.weather.com/weather/wxdetail/USMD0113?dayNum=1&&?=)
It looks like it will still be sunny and cool tomorrow, actually a bit blustery! I may even have to wear the thick gambeson! ;)
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Yep, I may add layers in my kit too. It's not often that I need to do that! Huzzah for cool weather. :)
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Huzzah indeed, I'm looking forward to wearing the cloak that goes w/my Templar tunic, lined and heavy it is. I actually like my Crusader tunic more (it isn't so blazingly white) but it the cross ran while I was out in the rain and bled all over the front. Its barely noticeable but it IS noticeable.
I'm looking forward, knights, looking forward to some knightly camaraderie!
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Just got off work and was wondering why there were hardly any new posts on a Saturday when I remembered: You lucky buggers are all off at the MDRF! I sincerely hope you all have a GREAT time today. Post some updates for the rest of us sorry sods when you get a moment.
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Paladin, we kept an eye out for you all day. Did you make it or did something come up?
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Go east until the men speak Italian, then keep going until they speak something else.
I don't see how he could have gotten lost.
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ya what happened?
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We caught up with Paladin today, so that was cool.
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You went BOTH days?! Man, you really know how to twist the knife! :D
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Actually most days this season. :)
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ah nuts. sorry to have missed him.
pictures?
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I'll try to get some on Sunday next week. I didn't take any today.
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Well, we were discussing the idea of the "Day of Wrong" at MDRF. I haven't participated in it in several years. But I was thinking I might pull out one of my old surcoats and go for it this coming weekend. But I'm having second thoughts.
It started out cute, but people take it too far these days. For those who aren't around here, this is a tradition that started over a decade ago, that on the closing day of faire, people would wear something "wrong" with their garb. Like a doublet made with tie-die fabric. Basically normal garb but with something amiss, like a color or fabric choice, or wearing something additional that's out of place.
When I participated, I made some ridiculous surcoats for the armor. The one everyone thought was hilarious was the flannel teddy-bear pattern I used. Everyone started calling me "Sir Ted of the Order of Saint Theodore"... :) Here's a photo:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2000/539.jpg)
... Anyway. Like I said, I haven't participated in several years, because people have gone overboard, dressing up as Disney characters, weird combinations of costumes that mix superheros with cross-dressing, etc. Not to mention the BDSM stuff, or all the cheap halloween costumes. Oh, and the "furries" make a big appearance too, usually.
One of our friends found this and posted it on facebook, and now I'm thinking I may just wear my normal colors this coming weekend instead of the teddy bears:
"We came to the festival the first time on the last day and it was disapointing to see the odd costumes. Our kids were excited about going to a Renaissance Festival and could not understand the Star Wars character and some guy dressed as Tigger. We were told at the tavern that it is something the "regulars" do. Shame that some people think this is their personal party. Those of us who love the show the SHOW puts on don't come the last weekend."
After quoting the above, she went on to say the following, and I have to agree:
i overheard this exact conversation between two patrons this weekend. the guy said to his friend, "last year we came and all these people were dressed up in halloween costumes. it was terrible! we're not coming next weekend. this is our last day we'll get to come this year."
the point of DOW is that, yes, it is an "fun insider thing." the insider regular crowd at MDRF is part of the ambiance of faire. it always has been. i know this cuz that was me and millions of regular insiders are still my friends!
but the WHOLE point of DOW is that the "outsiders" aren't supposed to notice the "fun insider thing." it's for insiders to look at each other and point and laugh. not for outsiders to pay attention to the insiders in lieu of enjoying their day at the renaissance festival at best, and worse, avoid the festival altogether because of the growing reputation.
and that's what's wrong with DOW. it's all gone Wrong. when people AVOID THE FAIRE because of an inside joke it's not funny anymore. it's wrong.
I really enjoy when the kids are just blown away by getting to meet a knight. Somehow that feels like it might get cheapened if I participate in the Day of Wrong. I think we just need to say "no" at this point. :)
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I really enjoy when the kids are just blown away by getting to meet a knight. Somehow that feels like it might get cheapened if I participate in the Day of Wrong.
I can certainly agree and applaud that sentiment! :)
I have talked about putting my big stuffed griffon as my crest on DOW last year and this year as well but didn’t for the simple reason of being too lazy to mess around with the mounting on my helm only to change it back for closing weekend @ CRF. ;)
But yeah my wife and I read that post on FB and although we agree with some of the points brought up we basically considered it imprudent of the OP to post on FB as it opened up a venue for like-minded people to exercise their pet peeves with their comments, in which some of them were quite frankly belligerent enough to provoke Gandhi into seeking some violent retribution. I also found the irony of the OP on FB to be sardonically amusing insofar as it was the cast and a few select regulars who started DOW and are now lamenting that it is out of control, which kind of reminds me of the story of Pandora’s Box (jar) in Greek mythology…
I have often said WTF? At more than a few of the weird garb seen on DOW, yet I have also greatly enjoyed seeing some of the creativity and effort put forth by some of the more “exotic” garb. I will always roll my eyes at the pirate hookers and furry critters but hey if they want to look like that then more power to them.
What really irked my wife and I was all the comments and talk about restricting/banning/regulating people’s garb. Security does that to a certain extent anyways by turning away potentially dangerous or inappropriately garbed patrons but many of the comments on that FB post was suggesting about going a lot further which begs the question:
Who gets to make that call at what is or isn’t appropriate? Should there be a council of elected/appointed patrons and/or cast members who get to monitor the gate and the patrons? – “I’m sorry but you have to leave because your garb isn’t within the 200 year range of the era we are trying to maintain here.” Is that what it would come to? What about the fantasy/WOW characters? ~ Should my drow friend Kilsec/Dale forego of ever wearing and portraying his most excellent drow personae? ???
My point is that DOW was started all that time ago as a lark by a few of the SAME people who NOW want to curtail or abolish it all together, which doesn’t instill my confidence at the successfulness of such an endeavor and IMO would only incite a few of the more rebellious patrons to even greater controversial measures.
I truly find it more appalling that so much concern and effort is put into something that is kind of petty when there are far more serious issues at the fair that should be addressed, like the underage and excessive drinking. So essentially that FB posting and some of the more petulant comments that followed it has my wife and I considering to drastically limit our visits to MDRF next year and perhaps go to some of the other renfaires going on during this time of the year. :-\
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Yeah, that FB thread really threw open a can of worms, or "crapstorm" as someone put it. I saw a lot of good points raised, but some real eyebrow-raising comments as well. Clearly there are folks who despise anything outside of the correct period (whether it's fantasy elements like fairies and wizards, or modern anachronisms). And then there are others that don't care.
My feeling on the "Day of Wrong" (or DOW as it's getting abbreviated) is just that it's gotten out of hand to the point of not being fun like it was when it started. It was fun because it was subtle and amusing, but now it's lost its charm. But I think the people who are calling for having garb police are over-reacting. Someone put it in very simple terms and compared it to having a t-shirt contest (my rock band is better than your rock band).
I wouldn't take it too personally. I think a lot of folks have been letting some latent frustration simmer beneath the surface, and now have been given an opening in which to vent.
There was one comment in there that got me a bit irritated though, but it was from just one person way back in the thread, so I'm letting it slide. Someone insinuated that people with masks or helmets aren't trustworthy, because it can hide their identity should they commit a crime, like shoplifting from one of the booths... I mean WTF. Really? I'll bet she drives a car... maybe we shouldn't let her drive to faire anymore because she *might* run someone over. Or the faire should stop selling alcohol because someone *might* become a drunken fool. Oh wait. Too late. The point is, helmets don't turn people into criminals. >:(
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Yeah it started a crapstorm, however my wife and I don’t take it personally at all. I would say that we are more annoyed at the presumptuousness of some of the more stringent garb Nazis and their haughty assumptions that other patrons need or even want their jaundiced approval. That kind of discourteous and contemptuous behavior only begets the same and it essentially has become a bit tiresome for the both of us. The saddest part is Rosemary and I have only experienced that sort of infantile conduct at MDRF which is why we love to finish off our renfaire season at CRF! ;)
And I lmao at the comment about the helmets and masks as I considered it one of the more asinine of the comments posted and an excellent example of how the whole angry mob mentality quickly deteriorates a discussion into a cyberspace version of an episode from the Jerry Springer show.
Besides how in the hell would anyone wearing a helm not be noticeable? ;)
Police Officer: “Can you describe what the perpetrator looked like miss?”
Salesgirl: “uh no officer he was wearing a big steel helmet with this huge golden bird on it so I didn’t see his face”
Police Officer: “Uh right, maybe we’ll catch a break by checking the crowd”
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Hahah, indeed. Yeah, it's hard to blend in with the crowd if you're the only guy there with a blue dragon on a helmet. :)
Actually, I'm a bit dismayed to hear you guys have received some "garb nazi" comments at all. Maybe I've been blissfully unaware, but I haven't seen anyone doing that, except in regards to the blatantly non-period and non-fantasy stuff (furries, BDSM, stormtroopers, etc). How often do you see that?
Fairies and knights and wizards have always been at renfaires, and in a way I'm amazed that anyone would be surprised by that.
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I'm through studying...anybody have a football?.... ;D
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if u have a "stitch nazi" problem. hehe show me their kit and let me deal with them :P hehehhe. i haven't followed what threads you guys are talking about but sounds like people to into themselves to have a good time. i'm all for history and historically correctness, but i'm also for having a good time and fantasy and whatever else looks kewl. heheheh. so just blow em off and have fun with us!
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Well there isn’t one particular incident at the faire, but Rosemary and I did get into a bit of a tiff with a garb Nazi on flickr who had posted some pictures of Rosemary and another girl dressed as a fairy and she had made some disparaging remarks. Even though it was the woman’s flickr page it is still on a public domain and as such doesn’t give anyone the right to disparage another person(s) even if you don’t know them. The woman is a regular at MDRF and hangs with many of the other garb Nazis and since that incident has nothing but venomous looks for us. >:(
Essentially, those more controversial comments on that FB posting really only confirmed what Rosemary and I already knew was the underlying and pervasive attitude of the faire staff and some of the more elitist patrons towards fantasy or non-historical garb and personas. It is the reason why they don’t let the bubble fairies wear wings or allow vendors to wear wings or other “fantasy” elements to their garb. :(
So I suppose I am saying that Rosemary and I have found that particular attitude at MDRF a bit tiresome this year. Perhaps next season when we visit other fairs that aren’t so Fairy phobic we’ll get our serenity rejuvenated. ~ VARF definitely helps in that capacity. ;)
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OK, in a way I'm glad to hear it was a more isolated incident. It's true that there will always be some who just aren't happy unless they're complaining about something or putting someone else down. I guess it's up to us to hold our heads high and say "f**k 'em!" Garb Nazis are a reality everywhere, unfortunately. And I have a feeling renfaires, SCA, etc, tend to draw a large proportion of people with insecurities, and so it spills out onto everyone else at times.
This is why I make a point of not judging people. Everyone's there to have a good time. If someone shows up in armor made of plastic and cardboard, I praise their creativity rather than look down on them.
Anyway, whatever you guys need to do, you know I've always got your back. If there's anything you need, just ask.
And still, I can't imagine anyone disparaging Rosemary like that. It shows how insane they are. She's always gorgeous in her fairy outfits!
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Sorry for just now getting on here knights, but my wife and I had an awesome time meeting you guys! Sir Brian et al, my apologies for missing Saturday...family issues got in the way. I look forward to seeing you guys THIS weekend- which day, Sunday, right? The very last day? Maybe I can make both...but definitely one of them for sure.
As for DOW, am I right in assuming we're NOT going that route? I'm cool with that...not sure if I can come up with something suitably wrong for the event in any case.
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ya i mean its a ren faire not a living history event. "ren faire" in itself is a historical novel at best. i dont care how hard they work to make something look right or scene or script or costume or whatever its not historically correct. heheehe. i know a lot of hard work goes into the costuming for sure (i know the cast costume designer and maker and she's good) but the conversations, interactions etc is fantasy when it boils down to it :) do you REALLY think henry would associate with the general public or even really walk around with them? hahaha. so just ignore it. flag the photo on flikr and get them into trouble for using your likeness or as spam or inappropriate etc
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Yep, the plan is to be there on Sunday. I'm not going to be doing DOW, but you can if you want. I'd just make it subtle if you do. :)
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Nah, I wasn't all gung-ho about it but was willing to go along with the rest of the brethren on it. I'm glad we're going to keep it as we normally do...as others have said, I really get a kick out of the kids.
Sir Edward, did you know that little boy we took pictures with had waited for us for some time to arrive? Glad I heard that modern contrivance buzzing in my beltpouch! His eyes shone when he saw us...it is THAT which makes all this worthwhile to me.
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Thank you all for the support and it is the impact we make upon the kids that makes enduring all the other burdens possible.
The burdens being:
- The discomfort of wearing the armor all day and the wonderful aroma of being basted in your own sweat.
- The hours spent cleaning and maintaining your armor and arming clothes.
- Never being able to finish a meal without being asked to pose for a photo.
“Excuse me put do you mind if I pick the pork chop meat out of my teeth first? – Ah to hell with it I’ll just put the helm on.”
But yeah it is definitely worth it. :)
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Pork chops? Where do you get pork chops? You must show me!
I agree...on the FB thread and elitists in general, I have noticed that they keep their off-putting words to themselves when you're right there in front of them. I mean really, they had nothing to say while you were there, right? Stands to reason their opinions are best served by keeping it to themselves- with this internet there's come a whole lot more people with things to say- that fear the percussive after effects that could occur if they gave voice to them.
Cowards, in a word.
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Glad I haven't read the other forum thread you guys are referring to. It would have just upset me.
I did have a recent incident at MDRF where I was accosted by some (sad to say) college kids and informed that the Crusades were "bad." (I was wearing my usual 12th-century Crusader kit.) I paused for almost a full minute, trying to decide what books to refer them to, in order to correct their mis-education.
Instead I smiled and quoted from Kingdom of Heaven -"To kill an infidel is not murder; it is the path to heaven." And raised my cider to them. Not terribly chivalrous of me, I know.
Some folks are just not worth the time to argue with.
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I did have a recent incident at MDRF where I was accosted by some (sad to say) college kids and informed that the Crusades were "bad." (I was wearing my usual 12th-century Crusader kit.) I paused for almost a full minute, trying to decide what books to refer them to, in order to correct their mis-education.
Instead I smiled and quoted from Kingdom of Heaven -"To kill an infidel is not murder; it is the path to heaven." And raised my cider to them. Not terribly chivalrous of me, I know.
Some folks are just not worth the time to argue with.
Well, it was certainly in character, right? :)
Great to see you back. It's been a long time. Are you coming out on Sunday?
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At least on Sunday. ;D And Saturday, too if I can manage. I have a rare Saturday off.
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Glad I haven't read the other forum thread you guys are referring to. It would have just upset me.
I did have a recent incident at MDRF where I was accosted by some (sad to say) college kids and informed that the Crusades were "bad." (I was wearing my usual 12th-century Crusader kit.) I paused for almost a full minute, trying to decide what books to refer them to, in order to correct their mis-education.
Instead I smiled and quoted from Kingdom of Heaven -"To kill an infidel is not murder; it is the path to heaven." And raised my cider to them. Not terribly chivalrous of me, I know.
Some folks are just not worth the time to argue with.
Would that I had been standing by you then! I agree, that some folk are not worth the time...but sometimes, you spend it anyway. The Crusades were bad...well so's the Toyota Prius. The damage done to the environment just to make one invalidates any sort of 'positive' it might garner as far as fuel consumption and emissions goes, but I digress.
The Crusades are responsible for igniting the intrepid spirit amongst the European nations...prior to them, it was near unheard of travellers going so far outside of their established domains, with the merchants being the obvious exception but even then, I would hazard to guess they were not as widely traveled due to the differences in language, culture, etc. It wasn't until they were more or less 'forced' to deal with all of that that true trading began...
Anyway, you've a great Crusades-era kit as I'm sure I told you, definitely worth envying. That those onlookers don't get it, that really is too bad for them.
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Thanks, Paladin.
I do agree that the Crusades were filled with atrocities and unspeakable suffering, done by knights as well as vagabonds. King Richard himself was a butcher. But the notion that the very idea of reclaiming the Holy Land was a criminal enterprise, that is what I have a problem with. People never seemed to have heard of the Muslim Conquest. Or do they believe that the entire Middle East, All of North Africa, and even parts of Eastern Europe were always Muslim?
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Pork chops? Where do you get pork chops? You must show me!
I agree...on the FB thread and elitists in general, I have noticed that they keep their off-putting words to themselves when you're right there in front of them. I mean really, they had nothing to say while you were there, right? Stands to reason their opinions are best served by keeping it to themselves- with this internet there's come a whole lot more people with things to say- that fear the percussive after effects that could occur if they gave voice to them.
Cowards, in a word.
Yes that is so very sad but true. I personally will not say or write anything discourteous to or about anyone unless I am prepared to bleed for it. I lament that more of today’s society cannot even fathom that notion. :(
Oh and the pork chops on a stake are at the main food court near the white hart tavern! ;)
Glad I haven't read the other forum thread you guys are referring to. It would have just upset me.
I did have a recent incident at MDRF where I was accosted by some (sad to say) college kids and informed that the Crusades were "bad." (I was wearing my usual 12th-century Crusader kit.) I paused for almost a full minute, trying to decide what books to refer them to, in order to correct their mis-education.
Instead I smiled and quoted from Kingdom of Heaven -"To kill an infidel is not murder; it is the path to heaven." And raised my cider to them. Not terribly chivalrous of me, I know.
Some folks are just not worth the time to argue with.
LOL you sir are an inspiration to us all! Well done indeed! ;D
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Thanks, Paladin.
I do agree that the Crusades were filled with atrocities and unspeakable suffering, done by knights as well as vagabonds. King Richard himself was a butcher. But the notion that the very idea of reclaiming the Holy Land was a criminal enterprise, that is what I have a problem with. People never seemed to have heard of the Muslim Conquest. Or do they believe that the entire Middle East, All of North Africa, and even parts of Eastern Europe were always Muslim?
Oh but didn't you know, they're the new disenfranchised so its cool to back them. *rolling eyes*
I know everyone has a part to play in this thing called Life but some people...need direction.
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Well, the weather looks great for Sunday so far!
http://weather.yahoo.com/united-states/maryland/crownsville-2387843/ (http://weather.yahoo.com/united-states/maryland/crownsville-2387843/)
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Perfect weather for donning armour...now I have a decision to make...do I go as a Templar (which I have done for the last 3 seasons at least, Crusader or Templar) or as an unheralded knight, in a parti-coloured blue/black surcoat? The only downside to that is there's no shield to match, but I think the armor would look better with it. I don't know, what do you knights think?
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Entirely up to you! You could still bring your crusader shield; I don't think anyone would complain. Frequently the shield and surcoat didn't match. And technically, to be a proper Templar shield, it should be a black chief over white without a cross anyway. :)
Like this:
(http://modernchivalry.org/pictures/templar-shield.jpg)
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Hmm...so Templars didn't carry shields w/crosses on them? I've seen that before...but never understood its meaning.
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The weather does look great. I might even wear my thick GDFB gambeson. My only fear there is looking like the 'Stay-Puffed' Marshmellow Man from Ghostbusters....
Paladin, you will look formidable no matter what surcoat you wear! My shield doesn't technically match my tabard, either. The colors are the same - black, red, and gray - but the shield bears a red chi-rho symbol instead of a Cross. I've never gotten anything but compliments. When learned people ask, I just say I adopted the chi-rho on my way through Byzantium to the Holy Land ;D
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ya you could use that shield or really one of your own heraldry if i'm not mistaken. i didn't wear a shield with my kit last weekend and no one knew the difference.
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"Let those that go to don armor tomorrow . . remember to 'go' before they don armor tomorrow."
- Edmund Blackadder
;D
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Hmm...so Templars didn't carry shields w/crosses on them? I've seen that before...but never understood its meaning.
Yeah, not a lot is known about the symbolism. The best understanding is that it represents their stepping forth from darkness into the light, and out from sin.
The Templars used the black over white design for their shields and banners, occasionally adding a red cross over it on the banners (though I haven't been able to find an answer yet as to whether they sometimes added it on the shield too), but when they did that, it was small. Some historical writings describe some shields with a large black cross over white, very thick, described as "pale and fess" (which are vertical and horizontal bars that are about a third of the shield's width), but most would have been their standard "beauseant (http://blog.templarhistory.com/2010/03/the-templar-beauseant/)" design of black chief over white field.
The red cross on white was more a badge that the pope granted them for their robes (surcoats) and mantles, as they were a monastic order.
But don't feel bad, I did the same thing. My Templar shield is also a red cross. :)
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lol @ blackadder reference
Ok, well, it is all a learning op for me so...think I'll opt for the nondescript knight-errant, no shield. No helm either since I can't seem to get the coif to sit properly over the gorget which will keep the espaliers intact...no one noticed but I didn't wear any plate bits last time.
That strap issue I have on one of my greaves I'll see if I can't get that master leatherworker to make me up a new one and rivet it in...think he could? Or would I need the blacksmith for the riveting part? Hell, I'll just tie it on with some strapping and call it a day!
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you guys have fun without me as usual hehehehe. remember to take pics!
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I'm looking forward to tomorrow as well. I think I will wear my heavy green gambeson, I'm curious how the new haubergeon will fit over it. ;)
I'll see what I can come up with for a replacement strap for you Paladin. It will probably be best
to use a chicago screw as a temporary fix. :)
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ya that should work well.
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Darn it, Sir Wolf! I was hoping to meet you finally ;D
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Have fun tomorrow, good sirs! Post some updates. This late in the season, I'm reduced to faire-ing vicariously through you! :'(
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Here's a pic for you guys who we missed seeing there:
(http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/ebonpaladin/Armor/MDRF2010SirsWilliamBrianandEdward.jpg)
I'm going to start a new thread w/pics of the last weekend of MDRF 2010. I got some good ones, but my camera phone is hardly worthy so hopefully some of you better equipped knights will come to my succour!
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(http://modernchivalry.org/pictures/knight_seehearspeakdo-noevil_poster.jpg)
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See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil--but what's that last guy trying to tell us? ;)
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Oh man, that is an awesome pic!!! I need another greathelm.
As for what's Jake's position? He'll do it all, maybe? lol
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That last one is "do no evil" :)
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That last one is "do no evil" :)
I'll remember that if I ever come across this lass named Evil. :D
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I'll remember that if I ever come across this lass named Evil. :D
Yeah, she's nothing but trouble. :)
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But a lot of fun!
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ahhaha do no wrong ;)
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That's perceptual...what one man thinks is wrong might be totally right for the next... ;)