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Main => The Armoury => The Workshop => Topic started by: Mike W. on 2014-02-05, 17:46:55
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I've got a coif that is in desperate need of a ventail. I was wondering if anyone knew of any particular patterns or methods of constructing one. All my internet searches seem to pull up aventials for bascinet helms instead.
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Although I purchased mine, I'll show you pics, maybe that can help.
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It's triangular with leather inside, and you can see the leather triangle is wider than the the maille. As far as connecting to the coif itself, the maille follows the pattern of the coif.
The leather also folds about a half inch over the maille.
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I think what Nate has is as close as you're going to get if you're on a budget; its actually better looking up close. If you're into living history (or aspire to that lofty goal) then you'll probably need to start talking to someone who can tailor and manipulate maille as that's something that isn't mass produced so far as I know, it'll have to be built onto an existing coif, or better yet, a new coif would have to be built.
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My coif was only 40 bucks.
Even though it's butted it really well made, all the rings are fully enclosed.
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there is also the bib version. that connects at the base and ties on both sides of the coif
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I'm assuming the leather is laced/sewn onto the back of the maille?
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Thin leather will easily fold over and you can stitch it together through the rings themselves, keeping it in place. I have a mail standard that I stitched to a very robust leather backing (used to be a weight belt).
If you're looking for a specific design or style, the best thing is to go to the most original source you can. Effigies / brasses, or period artwork. If that doesn't lead anywhere satisfactory, you can try from modern pieces.
If you haven't seen this site yet, it's amazing:
http://www.effigiesandbrasses.com/ (http://www.effigiesandbrasses.com/)
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Actually, where is Sir Nathan? He built a ventail onto his exiting coif and it came out rather well- I didn't get to see it upclose too much as he was wearing it at the time, but I think he did a tutorial on here somewhere. Ah, here it is: http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,1572.msg19384.html#msg19384 (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,1572.msg19384.html#msg19384)
Ok, it isn't about the ventail, but about tailoring the coif itself. Still, there's some good info on tailoring that is worth reading. Might be helpful, Nate.
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Ya I need to tailor some stuff I'll take a look.
Thanks sir William
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You and me both, Nate. I botched things up my first try...patience is a virtue - especially when working with maille.
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You and me both, Nate. I botched things up my first try...patience is a virtue - especially when working with maille.
Amateur! I've successfully made 3 shirts too small after tailoring. :D
Fingers crossed the 4th will turn out right. Hauberk is looking fine so far, body done and half-sleeve on one side too.
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UGH!!! I couldn't stand it- drove me nuts when I couldn't get my fat arm in just below the shoulder; got frustrated and tried to force it and ended up with a neat little scar at the eyebrow where a rivet dragged a little too hard. I don't have the hand or the patience for it. But 3 hauberks...what'd you do with them?
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UGH!!! I couldn't stand it- drove me nuts when I couldn't get my fat arm in just below the shoulder; got frustrated and tried to force it and ended up with a neat little scar at the eyebrow where a rivet dragged a little too hard. I don't have the hand or the patience for it. But 3 hauberks...what'd you do with them?
He gain'd some wait during the process and is now known as Sir Cumference...put the donuts down Sir James! ::looks at rotund figure:: Leave some for us fat folk!
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There's nothing wrong with a little meat on the belt.
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UGH!!! I couldn't stand it- drove me nuts when I couldn't get my fat arm in just below the shoulder; got frustrated and tried to force it and ended up with a neat little scar at the eyebrow where a rivet dragged a little too hard. I don't have the hand or the patience for it. But 3 hauberks...what'd you do with them?
He gain'd some wait during the process and is now known as Sir Cumference...put the donuts down Sir James! ::looks at rotund figure:: Leave some for us fat folk!
LOL, not quite. First one was the butted mail shirt I traded Sir William (with a pourpoint) for a helm. The torso was fine, but the forearm was too tight *with the gambeson*. It fit fine without it. I was up until wee morning hours tailoring it the night before the first Order of the Marshal knighting ceremonies at VARF, and made an amateur mistake.
The other 3 are 2 haubergeons and a hauberk. The 2 haubergeons are mostly good, one actually fits fine but pinches at the armpit when I raise my arms to shoulder level or higher. The other one, I can technically use but I measured it to go over my arming coat (unpadded) instead of my gambeson (padded) so I need to expand it a bit. I tailored both of those the week before we did the photoshoot in May last year; my fallback was that I nipped open the top of the sleeves and ran lacing through it, and then laced it snug after it was on. It was all hidden under the spaulders and pauldrons anyway.
The hauberk is chugging along well. This time around, I measured, cut, and re-assembled using zip ties on every 3 or so rings to check fitment first. I've had to measure, cut and test on my own, but all is well so far. Only thing that might be an issue is I think the sleeves might be slightly too short, but I don't recall if they came short or I took them down some... bought it over a year ago and still haven't finished. :D