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Title: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-09, 16:45:23
Hi fellow knights and enthusiasts!

I'm new to the forum, but I'm trying to put a 13th century impression together for re-enactment. I'm not far off I just need a couple of things to finish the whole thing!

If you have anything like it kicking around in the shed or gathering dust or if you know someone who does then please p.m me!

I need a gambeson suitable for 13th century for a 40" chest and I also need a great helm or a transitional helm which is similar that isn't huge!

In an ideal world I would love a maciejowski, but im struggling to find an affordable one that isn't massive, sadly the GDFB one turned out to be!

Kind Regards, Dave
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2013-04-09, 17:44:18
Have you checked out Icefalcon Armoury, Historic Enterprises, Clang Armoury, or Gambesons.com?
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-04-09, 18:04:13

It's a little pricey, but you can get a mac-bible helm properly fitted to you from by-the-sword here:

http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-4020-great-helm-french-md-306.aspx (http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-4020-great-helm-french-md-306.aspx)

I have this one, and really like it.

Me, wearing it:

(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/dok-teutonic/b3625.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/dok-teutonic/b3625b.jpg)

(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/dok-teutonic/b3627.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/dok-teutonic/b3627b.jpg)
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir William on 2013-04-09, 19:01:34
I actually have a gambeson that might suit you; I'll take pics of it tonight- but it is sized for a 40" chest (I'm a 42", and it is just a tad tight).  Is this for SCA or other form of re-enactment, like Living History or WMA?
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-04-09, 19:11:38
Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-09, 22:06:45
Thanks for the welcome guys!!

Wow you look awesome sir edward! thanks sir william its for re-enactment, not going to be terribly upset if it isn't super thick though! thankyou thorsteinn, I've been drooling over the things available from those websites but sadly I'm working to a budget (as is the case with everyone I imagine)

I'll post the photo of me in the current helm I have which is big heavy and hurts my head! mainly because I am so skinny it doesn't suit!

I've also been so enthusiastic about this project I made my own 100% linen surcoat with my own coat of arms (Fairey) (modified to incorporate the finnish lions armoured arm in it) sewed the lions on by hand, took forever!

Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-04-09, 22:20:32
dude cool. welcome to the board. are you looking up or do you have a really long face? lol that is a heavy helmet. 14 guage steel. blahhh... so just sell it and lets try to find you a better one.

what about mail do you have any yet>? lets find you some of that!
how about regular clothing, what we call a soft kit?

lets spend all your money!!!!!






oh and i hate all these really skinny guys lol! jk
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-09, 22:35:33
Thanks Sir Wolf, its the helmet! its gone, a potential buyer is taking it this weekend.

maille I have blown most of my cash on a 9mm flat ring riveted hauberk with attached mittens onto the sleeves and a coif.

Soft kit, I've got some melton wool split hose made to fit with linen braies and some basic turned shoes. Need a shirt next!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-04-09, 22:40:14
hey great. thats awesome.

oh and word to the wise, if you don't have pictures of said goodies they are forfeit and there for MINE! lol jk... well maybe not
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-04-10, 01:49:19

Heh, yeah, expect to be razzed about not posting pictures, if you forget to do so. LOL :)

Looks like a great start. I remember when I was that skinny, the armor never seemed to sit right for me either.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-04-10, 06:37:09
Ok. Let us start your shopping experience by getting you some food so you can fit in the armor. A hardy knight is a happy knight :)
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-10, 10:44:59
Haha I'll bulk up with a good gambeson and with my maille on me rest assured and then backed up with a helmet that actually fits....

right will get some photos on here of other kit later, maille is to arrive on monday.. I actually can't wait

I'll show you guys my coat of arms design first.

I researched the family history (unfortunate name i know) originally thought to be scottish then it turned out to actually be northumbrian clan, I changed the lions from scottish ones to English style rampant to accomodate then because the mrs is a finn and they don't have heraldry as such, thought it would be nice for the kids to have a bit of that on there so I stole the arm off the finn lion and changed it so my lions we're not stabbing themselves in the head!! some painful hours of drawing an outline via copying and sewing by hand ... applique style... linen is a pain! and todahhhh finished basic surcoat.

any luck with gambeson Sir william?
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-04-10, 11:42:46
Will make for an interesting signet and blazon I would think. Nice work. Northumbrian heritage?? Very cool.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir William on 2013-04-10, 14:33:50
royalist, keep an eye on Sir Wolf over there...you should check out his Knight page here on the site when you have the time and you will see, it runs especially deep in him.

At times I have to turn a blind eye, otherwise I'd be perpetually broke (sorta like now, but worse lol)!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2013-04-10, 19:56:08
If you are inclined you can make a gambeson. Mine is a 3 layer 100% linen with cotton thread. Ran about $85 in materials some 4 years back. Best piece of kit I've ever owned.

I used the Basic Armoring PDF and the one from White Mountain Armory to make the design.

http://www.brighthelm.org/articles/armour (http://www.brighthelm.org/articles/armour)
http://whitemountainarmoury.com/pdfs/armingCoat.pdf (http://whitemountainarmoury.com/pdfs/armingCoat.pdf)

Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-10, 20:15:13
What a fantastic link, thanks very much. Sadly I have neither the patience nor the determination to carry that out (Ironic being as I paint historical miniatures on commission!). I will try that if all else fails though definitely!

Photos of hose, shoes and greaves to follow

Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Vander Linde on 2013-04-10, 20:33:58
Hi & welcome!

Excuse my silliness, but by any chance did you family marry in to the O’Donnabin family and then wed to the heir to O’Suileabain ? Just curious, a friend of mine is a Suileabain. This is his crest.

(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/2/2/9/9/8/8/webimg/268097647_tp.gif)
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Ian on 2013-04-10, 21:39:19
Hi Dave, welcome to the forum.  How interested in historical accuracy are you?  Some of us here are basically of the mind that we try to be as historically accurate as money allows.  If historical accuracy is important to you, let us know and we can guide you in the right direction, or steer you away from things that are more movie-correct than historical.

What seems to happen to a lot of us is as we progress we discover things we purchased in the past are not historical, and then end up re-buying a lot of things, i.e. wasting lots of money.  Take advantage of the knowledge here and don't make the same mistakes we did.

For gambesons, a good 13th century gambeson can be hard to find in a historical design.  The only places I know to get off-the-rack historical gambesons are overseas.  Some of the reputable Eastern European manufacturers that do good 13th century gambesons can be found here:

Kokosh Manufacture (http://www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/12th-13th-machinemade.html)
Matul's (http://matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDProdukt=46&IDKategoria=4&IDPodkategoria=6)
Medieval Market (http://www.medieval-market.com/details.php?id_towar=60&s=1)

If those don't float you're boat, you might be looking at making one yourself, or finding someone who can.

Sir Edward has a great example of a custom 13th century gambeson done by Jessica Finley of Fuhlen Designs[url]. (http://fuhlendesigns.com/)
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-10, 21:55:39
Not sure on the Suileabain connection! my family history is a miserable and obscure one so I don't know a lot about it other than Fairey comes from clan name 'Fearie' which was anglicized. Heres photos of my kit so far.

Hi Ian, I'm all about historical accuracy, it claws at my mind to wear gear that isn't quite right. I have done a lot of re-enactment before my main start ironically was American civil war, and my oh my did it feel good to look so rough and awful in jean cloth which had been hand sewn and didn't quite fit right... these small things were what made the impression great. However there seems to be a lot more source material for these later impressions (obviously) to work from.

I'm finding for 13th century surviving examples are rare, I'm working from the maciejowski bible and other English miniatures to get an idea of what I'm aiming for and even then its all art and still open to vast amounts of interpretation. I'm a lot more relaxed now within the realms of what gear ive got, I don't mind if it hasn't been dyed with authentic medieval dyes, or if its been machine stitched, but thats as far as I'll go in terms of sacrificing authenticity.

Sorry for the rant guys!! your all extremely helpful and its nice to hear from people who have been doing it a while and have the experience on how to tackle such a task as portraying a 13th century knight.

Heres the photos of my gear so far the helmet is actually quite lovely and could also probably take a nuke to the face as its so tough just if only I was larger built!.. maille to come soon... I cannae wait!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-10, 21:58:21
Got the gregorian chants on and chillin, heres some more photos of the kit, close up of the lions I cut out with safety scissors (its all I had available!!) and the shoes
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Ian on 2013-04-10, 22:05:53
If you plan to add maille chausses to your kit, I would recommend investing in a good pair of lightly padded hose in addition to the gambeson.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2013-04-10, 22:07:26
Matuls Gambesons: http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDKategoria=4 (http://www.matuls.pl/index.php?IDP=1&Lng=en&IDKategoria=4)

Armstreet: http://armstreet.com/store/gambesons-padding/ (http://armstreet.com/store/gambesons-padding/)
Steel Mastery: http://steel-mastery.com/en/padded-armour/gambesons (http://steel-mastery.com/en/padded-armour/gambesons)

Should also be looked at.


Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-10, 22:11:38
Thanks for those links!

I certainly am sir, just need like you said something to go between hose and maille,

Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2013-04-10, 22:54:45
First off welcome to the forum, good to see you're starting with 13th century as I did. Second off what kind of gambeson are you looking for? I got mine custom at Badass Garb, which is at least as good as european outfitters.
Heres my teutonic knight kit, this is period for either the late 12th century or early 13th, the helm probably would of still been used in SOME parts of Germany up to the 1250s as germany tended to hold onto the old styles of armor unlike France or England.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/525568_485574028141895_952043948_n.jpg)
I highly suggest a custom gambeson because if your arming clothes fit well you'll be comfortable in armor, my old gambeson wasnt comfortable under my maille and was a bit tight and hot. Though I would go for canvas as a shell if you got the dome riveted maille as taking it on and off many times might wear linen out quickly, thats the reason I switched to wedge riveted maille, also cause I like he look of it better.
Heres how mine looks and heres where I got it http://badassgarb.com/ (http://badassgarb.com/)
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/208088_4793169950425_1157375441_n.jpg)
Also Matuls is  GOOD gambeson maker, I would of gotten one there myself if it wasnt for time constraints from DoK. Padded chausses you probably will have to get custom made as I couldnt find any that would fit me off the rack for my thin stick legs.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-11, 17:22:02
Hi Guys,

I'm selling the maciejowski helmet, don't get me wrong its a awesome helmet, I just don't have the muscle to back it up

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161067 (http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161067)
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-04-11, 20:19:23
Hi Guys,

I'm selling the maciejowski helmet, don't get me wrong its a awesome helmet, I just don't have the muscle to back it up

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161067 (http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161067)

I'm thinking a transitional flat-top helm for you based on what I see. It's simple and time-period and it might suit you much better.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Lord Tristin on 2013-04-11, 20:37:20
Spend a portion of your income on beef or mutton. you need meat.  I am 5'11" 235 lbs. built like a tank and proud of it. no sense in wearing armor if you fall over wearing it!  I jest good sir. Perhaps you might think of partial plate with mail! It would suit your frame nicely and sit more comfortably.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-04-11, 20:40:36
Spend a portion of your income on beef or mutton. you need meat.  I am 5'11" 235 lbs. built like a tank and proud of it. no sense in wearing armor if you fall over wearing it!  I jest good sir. Perhaps you might think of partial plate with mail! It would suit your frame nicely and sit more comfortably.

Already covered that joke, Lord Tristin, but we are thinking alike. :)
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Lord Tristin on 2013-04-11, 21:27:41
Clearly I posted t o slowly. tis the curse of working.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-04-12, 03:27:31
what about the GDFB version. its not a mac bible helm per say. but its close to the time frame. although it is 14 gauge as well
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-12, 10:26:56
Haha meat and mutton, I must consume my own body weight in meat every week, I'm 6ft 1 and weigh 11 stone, not really a heavy weight champion. Being thin doesn't make weak though I can carry lots of kit and weight just fine, Just not large helmets

Whats the gdfb one? the one I'm selling is gdfb, Ive been offered a good one from Forge of Svan custom to fit. However I need to sell my current helm to purchase that one


Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-04-12, 11:27:10
it is? hmmm i've never seen that one then. the one most known in the US is http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB0351&name=Crusader+Flat+Top+Helmet (http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB0351&name=Crusader+Flat+Top+Helmet) but like i said its not a mac bible helmet like yours.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-04-12, 12:47:56
If anyone wants some plate pieces, I have the following:
1.) A full-set of 18-gauge mild steel legs with fish-tail poleyns, front greaves, brown leather straps/brass hardware, NEVER used for fighting. (Late 14-15th century)
2.) One 18-gauge mild steel plate gorget (Front & back pieces) with black leather straps w/ nickel hardware & rivoted straps for spaulders. WORN for renfaire events & fighting but GOOD condition. (14-15th century)
3.) One full-set of 16 or 18-gauge mild steel arms w/ soup-can style elbow guards (14th-15th century). USED in SCA heavy combat. Some slight wear (sword dents) but good for starter kit or fighting.
4.) One set of single rivoted 16 or 18-gauge mild steel Gothic spaulders; Triple lames with brown leather straps w/ brass hardware. NEVER used for fighting (Late 14th-15th century)
5.) One 14-gauge Pembridge-style mild steel helmet; USED in SCA heavy combat. Some damage but good for starter kit; NO Liner.
Anyone interested, I'll sell all for $300.00 (plus S&H) or piece by piece. I'll take pics & post for any interested. Let me know.   
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-12, 12:49:50
Could you pm me a price and photos of the pembridge good fellow?
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-04-12, 13:06:40
Could you pm me a price and photos of the pembridge good fellow?

Sure. Let me see if I can post the photos. This helmet is really good protection & has been used in heavy steel fighting. It has taken some serious hits but held up.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-20, 10:16:34
Helmet ordered to size and on its way, going to paint it a completely different to my heraldry colours like in the maciejowski

Oh thorrstein, im inspired and on a budget so going to make my own gambeson :D

cheers for the links!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-04-22, 17:46:30
Huzzah for new armor!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-22, 18:30:03
Have any of you, my knightly brothers? got a 13th century sword for sale? even if its a bit worn and battered im looking for something I can just spar with, not fussed if its taken a beating.

I made my own sword scabbard combo today and need a sword to put in it. I made it using a double belt I had which was far to big for me. I cut the buckle and strap off and the other long belt bit off and wrapped them round the scabbard, glued and sewed them on and then painted the scabbard red, the result is here, Need to make or find a chape for it, I'm bidding on a real metal detecting find one on ebay but think it might be slightly past it...

Just got to find the sword to go with it! lol
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-25, 14:31:42
Maille came today!! bargain price, going to take a bit of altering but got a buddy to help me with that.. its coming together.. slowly another 2 weeks on the helmet I reckon

note the authentic coudroy jeans and finnish burberry slippers :P
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-04-25, 14:54:01

Hey great! Tailoring the mail will definitely help make it more comfortable. It's tedious, but really helps.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-04-25, 14:57:37
Looks like it fits pretty well already. Very nice!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-25, 20:29:08
Thanks guys! well its a little out there, but bear in mind im wearing a t-shirt underneath

the mittens need the palms cutting out so I can have leather ones sewn in (like a metal teddy bear)

I'm having the coif integrated and an aventail added and im having the hauberk extended and then split at the bottom

Its coming together, need it to, got an event in august and need pr shots before then!!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-04-25, 22:08:14
like a metal teddy bear

Official Winner of the cutest description of a knight! :D
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-04-25, 22:33:39
hhaahahha
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: B. Patricius on 2013-04-26, 03:25:24
looking real good there!
also, before you tailor your mail, decide if you wish to wear a gambeson/aketon on underneath it.  Definitely get that before you tailor the mail, they take up a lot of room ;)

if that's been covered, forgive and forget it :D

nice to see another early-period recreation.  Always nice to see a fellow fan of the "chain gang"

YIS
B. Patricius
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-26, 06:41:35
Thanks still a long way to go though! as for gambeson courtesey of Lord Danes links I'm making my own but the maille fits so well I cant wear a stay puff marshmellow man one underneath my maille and will have to go for light padding thin aketon instead.

Haha I know sounds cute but I don't know many lasses who would cuddle a oily metal mess :P
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2013-04-26, 09:30:01
Nice maille you got, you're actually thinner than me, I do have a question where did you get it as it has the integrated mittens which is what I wanted but never ended up actually getting. What kind of rivets and rings is it? Wedge riveted or round riveted?
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-26, 09:49:31
Aye I'm a bit wiry lol, only a 31' waist and a 37' chest!

Well funnily enough I've started my own business buying and suppling re-enactment stuff (rather than antiques which Is what I did before) and I got my supplier to make this one for me as a test trial, I'm very very happy with it.

Its 9mm round riveted steel rings with solid rings woven in, in a 4 in 1 pattern, still bloody heavy though
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-04-26, 16:30:37
still bloody heavy though

Wear it. A lot. You'll get used to it. I'm 100% serious.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-04-26, 17:49:35
like a metal teddy bear

Official Winner of the cutest description of a knight! :D

You probably haven't seen my "day of wrong" surcoat. Flannel with teddy-bears printed on it. I was "Sir Ted de Bear, of the Order of Saint Theodore" :)
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-04-26, 18:31:16
wow that goes back a few years
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-04-26, 19:37:59
like a metal teddy bear

Official Winner of the cutest description of a knight! :D

You probably haven't seen my "day of wrong" surcoat. Flannel with teddy-bears printed on it. I was "Sir Ted de Bear, of the Order of Saint Theodore" :)

Oh.

My.

Gosh.

No, no I have not. I'm sure you realize by mentioning it, you must post pics. lol
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-26, 20:35:32
Sir Edward is pretty hardcore....  :o
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: B. Patricius on 2013-04-26, 20:37:32
Oh.

My.

Gosh.

No, no I have not. I'm sure you realize by mentioning it, you must post pics. lol

I must whole-heartily agree :D
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-04-26, 21:19:57
You probably haven't seen my "day of wrong" surcoat. Flannel with teddy-bears printed on it. I was "Sir Ted de Bear, of the Order of Saint Theodore" :)

Oh.

My.

Gosh.

No, no I have not. I'm sure you realize by mentioning it, you must post pics. lol

From 2000:

(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2000/539.jpg)

:)
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Ian on 2013-04-26, 21:23:56
nice 'stache!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: B. Patricius on 2013-04-27, 02:23:01
 ;D
I wish I could have been at that RenFaire!  I do love watching people's expressions at the hilarious.  I especially love the comments, "you know that's not period right?" as their wearing "normal" short kilts, blue paint, and sweedish greatswords  ::)

Royalist, good sir, you are a lucky one to have a "trail set" of mail!  When reading before, I got side-tracked by Sir "Teddy". I have an aketon with four layers, muslin outer and inner layer, with two layers of natural cotton batting.  It's only about 1/4" thick and doesn't puff out in its quilting.  I was actually dismayed by the lack of "poof" so something like that may be just the ticket for you.

YIS
B. Patricius
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-28, 18:53:51
Wow Sir Edward!

Definitely a man of bravery! lol I wish someone said "I know thats not period to Braveheart' as that sounds similar to what your describing!!

Thankyou, what does a trail set mean good sir?

Well guys just to continue in the spirit of the thing, I went to Rufford Abbey (nottinghamshire event) and it was quite simply amazing

I got hose, braies, a thin aketon and a sword and helmet.

Sadly the helmet fits a dream, is sturdy and beautiful but is a bit late for my period. Its blued with a little bit of wear but is fab

anyone interested just ask!!

The Sword is gorgeous and I think its one of Pavel Mocs early ones as its sturdy but light
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-29, 20:13:04
so the night before Rufford im sat there trying to sew a aketon together by hand as we don't own a sewing machine, I was up all night doing it and said to my wife 'I bet i'll find a aketon dirt cheap tomorrow and it will be thin enough to go under my maille' I was being sarcastic and guess what turned up!!!

I got the thin aketon i'm wearing in the photo for five pounds or $7.76, all because it was thin and a bit mucky, never bothers me as if its mucky ill just bung it in the wash :P

I got the hose and padded cuisses which were made for a man with greater thighs than myself, not difficult as you can see i'm a bit on the skinny side. I cut the bit out of the back of them and sewed them back together by hand to make them slim fit :D

Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-04-29, 20:35:55
HOLY CRAP THEY ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you find that deal again let me know ok? lol
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-04-29, 23:30:03
HOLY CRAP THEY ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seconded! You got a screaming deal on it. Finish off the second one anyway. It could be the start of a second kit, or just a swap piece. :)
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2013-04-30, 00:47:53
God thats a good deal for a gambeson. Might consider getting another for myself as well, without the mittens as I realized how impractical mittened hands are for the faire. You're around the same size as me width wise. What materials is the gambeson made from?
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-04-30, 07:15:27
All the kit was a screaming deal, and only required a little hand sewn modification, everything I'm wearing cost me £25 in total :)

The gambeson is made of very white linen and stuffed with cotton, yeah I like the idea of sliding my hands through slit leather palms so I can give the poor things a breather, doesn't sound like you can really do that with a full padded gambeson, also I'd find them too restricting.

A good look though if your just doing a sergeant impression, as its shown in the maciejowski bible

Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-05-01, 00:45:54
http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments/robert_de_vere/ (http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments/robert_de_vere/) those chausis are a perfect match for 1221 effigy!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-05-01, 08:20:44
Cheers for that link Sir Wolf, they are a good match and wow what an invaluable source of reference!!

Next step is I'm going to have a crack at making my own scabbard that actually fits my new sword

ordered craft wood and a load of long leather offcuts all of which cost more than my actual softs!!

will keep posted!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: B. Patricius on 2013-05-01, 20:45:47
What amazing deals you have found Royalist! That aketon and cuisses look great!

I'll also second Effigies and Brasses, it, and its sister-site http://manuscriptminiatures.com (http://manuscriptminiatures.com) are invaluable resources for getting the look right. 

I'm also jealous of your sword and your sugarloaf.  I too, am too early of a period for such a helm, but they do hold a special place in my heart as well.  Your sword looks excellent, practical and very hearty.  What's the point of balance on that?  Looks like a dream to fight with.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-05-02, 19:27:06
Thanks guys appreciate the feedback, Im popping to the Old Hall in Gainsborough Sunday to get my maille tailored a bit. I'm having the hauberk extended, the coif integrated and an aventail added, the mittens are going to be rounded off and then have the palms removed so I can sew some leather palms into the maille.

Got a bag of offcuts this morning so will attempt to make a scabbard to fit when the wood arrives!

Thanks for the sword praise Patricius, funnily enough its just like a pavel moc falchion I used to own when I did Wars of the Roses, that burred like knives hitting butter every time I used it while this one can take more of a beating, Wouldn't say its extremely balanced but its light and being a previous fencer I love light swords over heavy metal poles!

Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: B. Patricius on 2013-05-02, 20:28:37
Royalist,

I know how you feel.  Weight for me is secondary to the balance and feel.  I have quite a few different swords, two of which definitely don't qualify as light-weights, but feel great in my hand.  I love that about swords, once the quality of steel is covered, it's all in the eyes of the holder.  ;)  I just can't seem to purchase a couple swords I want because I've only found them online, I just gotta feel her, ya know?

Also, there's a pic on flikr that is an amazing shot of period mittens:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2256/2577352573_3000fbd696_o.jpg)

hope that helps
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-05-10, 06:05:55
Thanks man, thats great! I'll use that as a reference for when I attach my mittens!

Been a bit quiet but been quite busy too, bought a DSA project sword thats stunning but the scabbard can't be used :( as my sword doesn't fit! So thats for sale too its more 14th Century I think

My Maciejowski Helmet is ready and I've painted my shield with my coat of arms! I drew it free hand and then improvised with heavy layers of paint.

I've made my own scabbard for my sword which is awesome, now just got to do the hard part of attaching the leather!!

Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-05-10, 06:06:52
Heres the scabbard I made and painted shield
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: B. Patricius on 2013-05-10, 07:04:46
Royalist,

that's a great looking scabbard and shield!  Here's a great resource I've found for scabbard making, hope it helps: http://yeoldegaffers.com/project_scabbard.asp (http://yeoldegaffers.com/project_scabbard.asp)
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-05-10, 14:24:37
The shield came out well and the scabbard is coming along nicely. Congrats.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-05-25, 08:40:45
Finished the scabbard  painted the helmet, still waiting on the maille to be tailored.... kit so far. Ive been looking at the maciejowski and yes they are all different colours as in the middle ages they dont have the same colour co-ordination concept we have today. Regardless though based on few English manuscripts of the era they seem to be a bit more co-ordinated so I thought white and red all the way baby!!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-05-25, 11:34:24
Looks good. :) Nice work!!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Ian on 2013-05-25, 12:10:32
I really love the painted helmet. It looks amazing! Great job. I'm happy to see more and more painted armor.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-05-25, 13:24:26
that looks awesome man!! nice job so jealous! cant wait to see it all kited up
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-05-25, 17:54:47
Very nice!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-05-27, 03:16:50

Looking good! I really love seeing painted helmets. I think people overlook that too much, so it's really nice to see.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: B. Patricius on 2013-05-27, 09:30:47
I agree with everyone else on here.  I love me some painted helmets!  That whole kit is turning out absolutely fantastic.  Awesome job!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-05-28, 19:07:15
Thanks guys really appreciate the encouragement!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-05-28, 19:09:19
Ditto. Love the painted helmets. I'm going to do one of my Pembridge's in blue & yellow. :)
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-05-28, 19:12:57
I think its hard to break past that barrier in this head that screams 'fffaaaaarrrrb' even knowing it isn't at all.

I used household paint with a little egg in it and then enamels for the red. I thought about egg tempera and then my friend who makes it said it would be less effort, less mess and look equally as authentic to use standard house paint as well as enamels
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: B. Patricius on 2013-05-28, 20:08:26
I'm going to be painting mine with automotive enamels.  It's not authentic, but it definitely will work for durability.  It's always a compromise on some things between authenticity and modern convenience.  For me, it's the ease of maintenance when I'm using my helm for rebated steel combat.  I figure I wax my helmet twice a year just like my truck, and it should hold up okay. 

Also, it helps to do a more authentic liner, at least in style for the helm too.  That way you can take it out and maintain the inside of the helm easier.  All our sweat and such can wreak havoc on the insides. 

I'm debating on using more authentic techniques for my living history helm, I dunno.  We'll see, hopefully this week I'll get pics from Les of my helms!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-08-24, 20:41:30
Hi Guys,

Been quiet, big event is tomorrow, kit is all ready and done, went back to a dull helmet as the painted one was too small so I had to get another helmet made! :( darn having a big nose lol

Heres the full kit guys all pretty much done! will be better when a photo is taken in action and not next to my telephone table but i spent too long sewing and making things today to not take a photo!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Ulrich on 2013-08-24, 20:58:35
Oh wow, thats quite impressive, I rather like the look suits 13th century stuff rather well.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir James A on 2013-08-25, 03:41:22
Excellent! The mail looks well tailored, especially the chausses.
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-08-26, 22:11:33
cool
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Lord Dane on 2013-08-27, 01:32:11
Damn that helm is HUGE!!!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Edward on 2013-08-27, 13:39:52

I love the knees on that. The padded cuisses look great!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2013-08-27, 16:20:07
Hi Guys,

Been quiet, big event is tomorrow, kit is all ready and done, went back to a dull helmet as the painted one was too small so I had to get another helmet made! :( darn having a big nose lol

Heres the full kit guys all pretty much done! will be better when a photo is taken in action and not next to my telephone table but i spent too long sewing and making things today to not take a photo!

that is so sweet. now, what is going on there at the neck area?
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: B. Patricius on 2013-08-28, 22:26:19
(http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2399.0;attach=2741;image)

THAT ^^ is gorgeous.  Very well done
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir Patrick on 2013-08-29, 02:46:35
Wow!!
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: Sir William on 2013-08-29, 16:34:42
Nicely done, sir!  I still have that gamby too.  lol
Title: Re: WTB - 13th Century Stuff
Post by: royalist89 on 2013-09-04, 07:09:40
Hi guys, thanks a lot!

I was in a rush for the event so the neck area is open as I need an aventail which has already been made fitting. then thats all she wrote for the maille

Helmet is huge and Ive sold it lol getting a great helm made like this one that age of armour did

http://www.ageofarmour.com/instock/images/greathelm-08-side.jpg (http://www.ageofarmour.com/instock/images/greathelm-08-side.jpg)

when you can have any helmet made for £70 tops its worth going through em until one is right lol

How much for the gamby?