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Title: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-07-29, 17:49:19
So... I'm thinking about... just thinking mind you, about toying with the idea of possibly getting a pavilion.... 

I know nothing about them.  It seems Panther Pavilions are a reputable company to go through, and I think several of you own one from them?  Can someone give me a pavilion primer?  I've browsed their site and they have several different styles and then each has like 8 options for materials and things like that.  What should I be looking for?

The one that caught my eye was the French Double-Belled Wedge which can be seen here with a bonus canopy thingy....
(http://www.pantherprimitives.com/products/tent7s.jpg)

What do you guys own and what do you recommend as far as coverings?  Canvas, sunforger (I have no idea what that is)... etc?  Also, when these things are fully dismantled, how much room do they take up in vehicle?
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-07-29, 18:02:52
i have a panther Geteld. i haven't had it out in years. but when i used it i loved it. super strong seems, great material. great customer service. i got to pick it up since i had a delivery near their store.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Thorsteinn on 2012-07-29, 18:36:34
What time period & place are you looking for? How much stuff are you looking to cover? Whats your price range?
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-07-29, 19:07:17
What time period & place are you looking for? How much stuff are you looking to cover? Whats your price range?

Hundred Years War, England, specifically second half of the 14th Century.  I'll consider things for around $1,000 or less (not necessarily a hard limit, but not spending 2 grand on a tent...)  Big enough for 2 people and a dog to sleep.

The photo I linked is around $600 for the tent itself and another $300 or so for the canopy... I'm assuming that includes the poles but I don't know for certain.  Price varies depending on material used.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-07-29, 20:08:37
i made my own poles. are you thinking of the ground skirting or ground cloth? i did not get either as the skirting isn't something i think is really period. but to each his own, it does help with rain and ground water, and wind too comign around the edges, I just packed straw on teh inside edge as well as diggin a trench around the outside edge when i thought it was going to rain. i've always liked the double bell wedge. classic look. i think you'll be happy with it.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Gerard de Rodes on 2012-07-29, 20:32:59
We have a standard sized Bergundian style tent from a company called Past Tents.

Photo`s of the outside and inside can be found in our photobucket album here;

http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee200/JOBO_028/Whittington%20Castle%202012/?action=view&current=DSCF6171.jpg (http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee200/JOBO_028/Whittington%20Castle%202012/?action=view&current=DSCF6171.jpg)

G.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-07-29, 21:10:56
We have a standard sized Bergundian style tent from a company called Past Tents.

Photo`s of the outside and inside can be found in our photobucket album here;

http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee200/JOBO_028/Whittington%20Castle%202012/?action=view&current=DSCF6171.jpg (http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee200/JOBO_028/Whittington%20Castle%202012/?action=view&current=DSCF6171.jpg)

G.

A most impressive set up Sir Gerard!  Beautiful!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Patrick on 2012-07-29, 22:58:46
Wow!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: SirNathanQ on 2012-07-30, 11:54:05
Nice encampment!  :)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-07-30, 14:10:20
As with most of Sir Gerard's posts, I must say I'm a bit envious. :)

I have a Panther Regent on order, so I can't say anything from personal experience, but I can say that I ordered from them based on other people's personal experiences. They said my order will be 6-7 weeks to complete, so the "time clock is ticking" for DoK.

Somewhere in the full catalog is a description of the different materials. I went with the cheaper non-flame retardant one since I'm not a smoker and nobody will be smoking in my tent, and I won't have any live fires in it, either. It also mentions the flame retardancy fades over time, and with the "couple times a year" use the tent will probably see, it was extra cost I couldn't justify.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-07-30, 16:04:23
Very impressive setup, Sir Gerard. Hoping to make mine as impressive in look. Soon enough. :)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-07-30, 17:35:29
I have a 12'x15' Marquee rectangular.

They do offer a lot of options on these. Sunforger is just a marketing name for some of the UV protecting canvas treatments they use. It's worth getting them with fire retardant and UV resistant treatments, so they hold up for a very long time. But something to keep in mind also is that some people use their tents heavily, leaving them up for several months each year. Having one for events only, I would suspect that even the cheaper canvas options would hold up well. I'm not sure which mine had, but I think it was one of Sungforger + flame retardant options (probably the $1200 one). We got ours used, so we got a pretty good deal on it.

The price you see on the price sheets for the various canvases is just for the canvas. The pole/rope-package is a separate price on that line.

They also give you a choice of trim/dags, height, and whether the walls will have slant to them. Slant isn't a big deal, though it gives you a little extra storage space around the edges that you won't be tripping over as much.

I recommend going with the 7' height on these, but 6' is just fine. The extra foot keeps you from having to duck through the openings.

In terms of packing them up in a car, the hardest part is the poles. Since I have a 6' bed inn my truck, and the poles are 7', I have to pack them diagonally. It has 14 vertical poles for the sides, and the center poles (two upright and a cross-beam) each are two-section poles, so those pieces are shorter. The canvas is bulky, but folds up and can be stuffed anywhere.

You can see some photos of my tent and my truck packing at the following links, but I don't think I took any good shots of just the tent in the truck bed by itself:

http://ed.toton.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?g=2006.pennsic (http://ed.toton.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?g=2006.pennsic)

http://ed.toton.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?g=2008.pennsic (http://ed.toton.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?g=2008.pennsic)

This shot shows the tent packed with a bunch of other stuff behind it:

(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2261.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2261b.jpg)

Laid out:

(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2270.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2270b.jpg)

Assembled:

(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2271.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2271b.jpg)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Gerard de Rodes on 2012-07-30, 18:11:02
Thanks for your comments, although there is still alot I want to do with the tent, when are these things ever finished  ::)

I do like the marquee type like Sir Eds as they have alot more useable wall hanging space. When I hang things, such as drapes, against the wall in my Bergundian I have to secure the base so they follow the slope of the sides of the tent.  :P

I would suggest Sir Ian, if you can stretch the budget, get something bigger than the wedge tent shown, as I`m sure you would soon grow out of it  ;)
Thick, fire retardent and water proofed canvas is the way to go.
I would also go for split poles for easy transport.

Past Tents do some really nice wedge/campaign tents and pavillions in allsorts of sizes. Check out thier website for inspiration;
http://www.pasttents.com/ (http://www.pasttents.com/)

There are also a few European companies doing similar tents for a lower budget.

G.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-07-30, 22:53:53
Thank you all for the information.  Sir Ed, thanks for all the photos of the tent packed and assembled etc.  How long does it take you to set up a tent like that?  Is it even realistically possible for me to get my hands on a tent prior to early October for Days of Knights?  Are these things that are 'stocked' or are they all made to order? Oh, and do you have a floor for your tent?
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-07-31, 03:13:31
I'm not sure if they stock them, but I think they stock at least some, since they set up a booth at pennsic and you can buy nearly everything there (just not sure about the canvas parts). I'd contact them and ask.

With two people, it takes us a good 20-30 minutes, maybe. I'm guessing. I've never timed it. With 4 people it's a lot easier, and can be done in under 20 I think. At most events you can usually grab a few people to help hold poles straight while you put it up.

For a "floor", what we do is put down a plastic tarp, and cover it with rugs. We have a set of 4 rugs that just about perfectly cover the area inside.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-07-31, 03:15:18
I have a 12'x15' Marquee rectangular.

They do offer a lot of options on these. Sunforger is just a marketing name for some of the UV protecting canvas treatments they use. It's worth getting them with fire retardant and UV resistant treatments, so they hold up for a very long time. But something to keep in mind also is that some people use their tents heavily, leaving them up for several months each year. Having one for events only, I would suspect that even the cheaper canvas options would hold up well. I'm not sure which mine had, but I think it was one of Sungforger + flame retardant options (probably the $1200 one). We got ours used, so we got a pretty good deal on it.

The price you see on the price sheets for the various canvases is just for the canvas. The pole/rope-package is a separate price on that line.

They also give you a choice of trim/dags, height, and whether the walls will have slant to them. Slant isn't a big deal, though it gives you a little extra storage space around the edges that you won't be tripping over as much.

I recommend going with the 7' height on these, but 6' is just fine. The extra foot keeps you from having to duck through the openings.

In terms of packing them up in a car, the hardest part is the poles. Since I have a 6' bed inn my truck, and the poles are 7', I have to pack them diagonally. It has 14 vertical poles for the sides, and the center poles (two upright and a cross-beam) each are two-section poles, so those pieces are shorter. The canvas is bulky, but folds up and can be stuffed anywhere.

You can see some photos of my tent and my truck packing at the following links, but I don't think I took any good shots of just the tent in the truck bed by itself:

http://ed.toton.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?g=2006.pennsic (http://ed.toton.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?g=2006.pennsic)

http://ed.toton.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?g=2008.pennsic (http://ed.toton.org/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?g=2008.pennsic)

This shot shows the tent packed with a bunch of other stuff behind it:

(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2261.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2261b.jpg)

Laid out:

(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2270.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2270b.jpg)

Assembled:

(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2271.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2008/pennsic/a2271b.jpg)

Excellent tent, Sir Edward. A nice setup to use (for example) & model after for those attempting to make their own. :)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-07-31, 03:26:37
not great shots of mine, still looking for others:
(http://www.historiclife.com/images/Normans/ConroiFitzOsbernMarch06/Full/PICT0028.jpg)
(http://www.historiclife.com/images/Normans/ConroiFitzOsbernMarch06/TimFull/100_1011.jpg)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-08-08, 22:11:11
Got a quote from Panther today. They're looking for about $1600 for that double belled wedge with the canopy. That's a little more than I can really justify right now but I'm trying. They said 4-5 weeks, so it would be realistic before DoK. I just don't want to drop close to 2 grand a potentially use this thing once. Decisions...  +baby on the way and theNacy is more than likely moving me across the country in March. That SUV camping idea is looking more and more appealing. Anyone want to convince me to spend some money?
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-08-09, 01:31:41
For me, family first, Sir Ian. You are not investing soundly I would imagine unless you have it to spend. Sensibility must remain priority.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Patrick on 2012-08-09, 01:36:30
Sorry, Sir Ian. Family first. For what's worth, I feel your pain ;)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-08-09, 01:44:34

Oh, if you want help spending your money, you've come to the right place! :)

While I can't really argue with the "family first" mentality, here are some ideas.

Have you looked to see if you can get a used one? I'm not sure where to look exactly, other than maybe craigslist, but maybe some of our SCA friends here might know. Or maybe you can borrow one and try it out?

Also, we bought ours with the same worries. Kat and I weren't anywhere near engaged (let alone married), and we went in 50/50 on this purchase together, not knowing if we were even going to actually go to Pennsic. But you know what? We've used it quite a bit for other things, such as a sun-shade for the 4th of July parties, and as a cast-tent at VARF.

We're very satisfied with our Panther, and consider it a good purchase.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-08-09, 14:48:48
I think there was some misunderstanding here. It's not like if I bought the tent I wouldn't be able to afford moving or feeding my unborn child. I know family comes first always. I just meant it would be a harder sell to the better half is all.  Sir Edward, my wife was looking over my shoulder at your comment and suddenly had a future vision of medieval themed birthday parties for the baby featuring a pretty sweet tent as its centerpiece. Now we're talking!!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-09, 15:11:13
You've got the right idea, Ian...it worked out well for Sir Edward and if your wife is as into it as his is, then I think it'd be a good investment.  Who says it should only be used for medieval-themed events?  I'd use it for regular camping, outdoor parties and the like as well.  Wish I could get one but the wife don't do camping and I generally don't stay anywhere overnight w/out her so it isn't something on my horizon.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-08-09, 17:16:46
I think there was some misunderstanding here. It's not like if I bought the tent I wouldn't be able to afford moving or feeding my unborn child. I know family comes first always. I just meant it would be a harder sell to the better half is all.  Sir Edward, my wife was looking over my shoulder at your comment and suddenly had a future vision of medieval themed birthday parties for the baby featuring a pretty sweet tent as its centerpiece. Now we're talking!!

You've got an Albion and an amazingly nice harness. The tent may come in handy for other things, too. As you mentioned, medieval themed birthday party(s). One thing I plan to do with mine is have my brother and my squire over for an outdoor medieval-themed camping weekend, initiation into adulthood sort of thing. They both turned 18 this year, so we'll camp out, swing swords, play medieval games, and I'll try to impart some wisdom unto them about work, women, relationships, life, and anything else that comes up.

If all your financial needs are met, and the tent is "extra" money, and you can't think of something else you'd rather have ... I say go for it. It may be one of those things where you don't realize what you might use it for, since you've never had one?
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-08-09, 19:30:50
what ...? no one has said it yet?

ok.. here goes....



COMEEEEEEEEEE ONNNNNNNNNNN you know you wannnnnnnnnnnnttttttttttttt it........ comeeeeeeeeeee onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn ;)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-08-09, 21:37:54
I think there was some misunderstanding here. It's not like if I bought the tent I wouldn't be able to afford moving or feeding my unborn child. I know family comes first always. I just meant it would be a harder sell to the better half is all.  Sir Edward, my wife was looking over my shoulder at your comment and suddenly had a future vision of medieval themed birthday parties for the baby featuring a pretty sweet tent as its centerpiece. Now we're talking!!

Sir Ian, did you get my linked messages on those ebay white medieval round-tops at 250.00?? Sweet deal if you want one. I was thinking about grabbing one. Only 4 left.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-08-09, 22:49:52
what ...? no one has said it yet?

ok.. here goes....



COMEEEEEEEEEE ONNNNNNNNNNN you know you wannnnnnnnnnnnttttttttttttt it........ comeeeeeeeeeee onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn ;)

Thank you!  I feel much better now, everyone went and got all serious on me! :)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-08-09, 22:52:25

Sir Ian, did you get my linked messages on those ebay white medieval round-tops at 250.00?? Sweet deal if you want one. I was thinking about grabbing one. Only 4 left.

I did, and thank you. They just seemed to only be the canvas covering and had no weather treatment. I'm trying to find something totally inclusive with fire/weather protection. If you don't mind doing the work yourself on those, they are an amazing deal though. 
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Patrick on 2012-08-10, 01:42:45
Oh we'll in that case, BUY IT!!!!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-10, 14:08:42
I'm thinking you didn't want it bad enough if you had to come to us for a bolstering.  ;)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-08-10, 23:44:00
So I went ahead and bit the bullett. The tent should be complete in 4-5 weeks, so should have plenty of time to spare for DoK.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-08-11, 00:19:43
I'm thinking you didn't want it bad enough if you had to come to us for a bolstering.  ;)

That's the last time I shop on-line with your hard-earned money, Sir Ian.  ;D
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-08-11, 00:59:13
muahahhahahah. noooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww lets see what else we can get you to spend it on!!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-08-11, 01:42:38
So I went ahead and bit the bullett. The tent should be complete in 4-5 weeks, so should have plenty of time to spare for DoK.

Awesome! Congratulations.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-08-11, 03:07:01
Excellent! Can't wait to see it!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-08-30, 22:44:32
A bunch of very heavy boxes from Panther Primitives arrived today!  They had a really fast turn around on my order.  They quoted me 4-5 weeks on August 10th, and well, it's just inside of 3 weeks and it's here!  Pretty cool!

Unfortunately the residual rain and wind of Hurricane Isaac has not quite departed the area so I will unpack and set it up this weekend hopefully for a dry run so I can familiarize myself with it and make sure everything's here.  Thought I'd share the good news!  I'll be sure to snap some photos if I get it all set up.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-08-31, 00:27:56
A bunch of very heavy boxes from Panther Primitives arrived today!  They had a really fast turn around on my order.  They quoted me 4-5 weeks on August 10th, and well, it's just inside of 3 weeks and it's here!  Pretty cool!

Unfortunately the residual rain and wind of Hurricane Isaac has not quite departed the area so I will unpack and set it up this weekend hopefully for a dry run so I can familiarize myself with it and make sure everything's here.  Thought I'd share the good news!  I'll be sure to snap some photos if I get it all set up.

Excellent Ian. Let me know how it looks. :) Mine will be done shortly.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-08-31, 12:39:58
A bunch of very heavy boxes from Panther Primitives arrived today!  They had a really fast turn around on my order.  They quoted me 4-5 weeks on August 10th, and well, it's just inside of 3 weeks and it's here!  Pretty cool!

Unfortunately the residual rain and wind of Hurricane Isaac has not quite departed the area so I will unpack and set it up this weekend hopefully for a dry run so I can familiarize myself with it and make sure everything's here.  Thought I'd share the good news!  I'll be sure to snap some photos if I get it all set up.

Oh wow! I ordered a week or two before yours, and it's still not here, and no shipment notice. Congrats - can't wait to see pics!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-08-31, 16:42:27

Fantastic news indeed! I look forward to pictures. :)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir William on 2012-08-31, 16:45:09
Same here...stuff like this is so exciting!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Brian on 2012-08-31, 16:46:50
Huzzah!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-08-31, 19:45:45
I called to check on mine, since I ordered it mid-July - they said it was done, and just needs the balance paid. I didn't see any email or voicemails about it being done. And so, with any luck, it'll be here next week. Huzzah!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-08-31, 19:55:51
hahahaha sureee...........

awseom guys, cant wait to see them all! Sir, James what style did you get again?
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-08-31, 21:38:30
hahahaha sureee...........

awseom guys, cant wait to see them all! Sir, James what style did you get again?

Sir Wolf, I got the "Regent" style
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-09-02, 13:06:23
when packing for DotK:

The day that the appellant and defendant shall fight what they shall have with them in the field:


A tent must be put in the field.
Also a chair
Also a basin
Also vi loaves of bread
Also ii gallons of wine.
Also a mess of meaty flesh or fish
Also a board and a pair of trestles to set his meat and drink on.
And a board cloth
Also a knife for cutting his meat.
And a cup to drink of
Also a glass with a drink made
Also a dozen tresses of arming points.
Also a hammer and a nails and a bicorn
Also a dozen small nails
Also a spear a long sword, short sword and a dagger.
Also a kerchief to the visor of his bascinet.
Also a penant to bear in his hand of his avowed [patron saint].
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-09-02, 16:29:56
when packing for DotK:

The day that the appellant and defendant shall fight what they shall have with them in the field:


A tent must be put in the field.
Also a chair
Also a basin
Also vi loaves of bread
Also ii gallons of wine.
Also a mess of meaty flesh or fish
Also a board and a pair of trestles to set his meat and drink on.
And a board cloth
Also a knife for cutting his meat.
And a cup to drink of
Also a glass with a drink made
Also a dozen tresses of arming points.
Also a hammer and a nails and a bicorn
Also a dozen small nails
Also a spear a long sword, short sword and a dagger.
Also a kerchief to the visor of his bascinet.
Also a penant to bear in his hand of his avowed [patron saint].

Aw crap... I've only packed 3 loaves of bread...  ;)

Seriously though, that's a pretty good packing list even for a current reenactment event.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-09-02, 22:11:34
when packing for DotK:

The day that the appellant and defendant shall fight what they shall have with them in the field:


A tent must be put in the field.
Also a chair
Also a basin
Also vi loaves of bread
Also ii gallons of wine.
Also a mess of meaty flesh or fish
Also a board and a pair of trestles to set his meat and drink on.
And a board cloth
Also a knife for cutting his meat.
And a cup to drink of
Also a glass with a drink made
Also a dozen tresses of arming points.
Also a hammer and a nails and a bicorn
Also a dozen small nails
Also a spear a long sword, short sword and a dagger.
Also a kerchief to the visor of his bascinet.
Also a penant to bear in his hand of his avowed [patron saint].

Aw crap... I've only packed 3 loaves of bread...  ;)

Seriously though, that's a pretty good packing list even for a current reenactment event.

Now that's a shopping list.  :o
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-09-02, 22:59:58

Also a penant to bear in his hand of his avowed [patron saint].

this is always the hardest to pack. they always complain about lack or room and air holes in the bags
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-04, 02:13:23
when packing for DotK:

The day that the appellant and defendant shall fight what they shall have with them in the field:


A tent must be put in the field.
Also a chair
Also a basin
Also vi loaves of bread
Also ii gallons of wine.
Also a mess of meaty flesh or fish
Also a board and a pair of trestles to set his meat and drink on.
And a board cloth
Also a knife for cutting his meat.
And a cup to drink of
Also a glass with a drink made
Also a dozen tresses of arming points.
Also a hammer and a nails and a bicorn
Also a dozen small nails
Also a spear a long sword, short sword and a dagger.
Also a kerchief to the visor of his bascinet.
Also a penant to bear in his hand of his avowed [patron saint].

Aw crap... I've only packed 3 loaves of bread...  ;)

Seriously though, that's a pretty good packing list even for a current reenactment event.

I believe it's from "How a Man Shall Be Armed"?

I'm working on a list for myself, I'll probably post it up when I've fleshed out some more details on it soon
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir William on 2012-09-04, 15:23:13
I don't even know what a bicorn IS, much less where to get one.  lol

I don't see anything about mead or ale...just wine.  What if I don't want wine?
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-09-04, 16:55:59
I don't even know what a bicorn IS, much less where to get one.  lol

I don't see anything about mead or ale...just wine.  What if I don't want wine?

Just because you don't want wine, there's no need to 'whine' about it, Sir William. :) Enjoy the beverage for what it is. Besides, liking wine is not going to make you FRENCH. Running from a fight might.  ;D
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir William on 2012-09-04, 17:12:20
Lord Dane, you're having a go at Sir Edward again, for what I myself have said.  Perhaps we 'read' alike?  At least we don't look alike, eh?  And I generally don't like wine...I hear its an acquired taste that sadly, I have yet to acquire.  Most of the wines I've tried that I was told were 'good' or even in a case or two, 'great', were nothing of that sort as far as my tastebuds were concerned.  lol
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-09-04, 17:37:18
Lord Dane, you're having a go at Sir Edward again, for what I myself have said.  Perhaps we 'read' alike?  At least we don't look alike, eh?  And I generally don't like wine...I hear its an acquired taste that sadly, I have yet to acquire.  Most of the wines I've tried that I was told were 'good' or even in a case or two, 'great', were nothing of that sort as far as my tastebuds were concerned.  lol

Corrected. Perhaps you need to spend more time in the "Knightly Vintage" section of this forum trying some of my favorite cavas ('Segura Viudas' for example is an excellent & cheap Spanish white sparkling wine) :)
Maybe if you spend enough time drinking some, you'll overcome tastebud concerns. Come to Kingdom & we'll do it up hardily to help with this.  Don't worry about becoming FRENCH either from drinking wine as it requires that you run from a fight as well for that to occur.  ;D
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir William on 2012-09-04, 18:03:25
I have always associated wine with the French (and women lol), Lord Dane...perhaps that explains my inherent dislike for it.  ;)

Still...I'll check a couple of them out as my wife's somewhat of a wine enthusiast.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-06, 12:26:42
I don't even know what a bicorn IS, much less where to get one.  lol

I don't see anything about mead or ale...just wine.  What if I don't want wine?

A bicorn (I think it's spelled wrong, but I don't know the right spelling) is a blacksmithing / armoring tool, T-shaped, that would go in the square hole on an anvil. I *think* it's a generic term and would cover multiple styles/shapes/sizes of any T-shaped tool, but I'm sure Allan could verify or correct.

That line of the hammer, nails and bicorn is for on-site armor repairs - nails refers to what we call rivets, which I've seen called "arming nails" - think of our little portable "emergency armor repair" kits. Fixing a blown-out strap, etc.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir William on 2012-09-06, 18:48:31
Ah, I get it now...emergency repairs of course.  It sounded funky to me as I'd never heard or read that term before.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-07, 23:03:38
Hey look, boxes!

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-07161923.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-07161923.jpg)

This one is a tent - and a *heavy* tent. The box says over 70 lbs, for just the canvas. Hopefully that means "doesn't leak water". :D

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-07182136.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-07182136.jpg)

5 poles for the main tent, 3 for the fly, 12 big stakes for the 6 perimeter poles .. small stakes for the lower edges of the tent, I believe? And some rope to tie it down with.

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-07182129.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-07182129.jpg)

Won't be able to get any "assembled" pictures until next weekend when I have the squire here. While I wait .. should I stain the support poles? The rest of the wooden interior furniture is stained .. not sure if it's correct to stain the poles or not too.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-09-08, 00:09:19
Looks like a project, Sir James. I just finished staining a chair for my pavilion to match the table I already posted. Things are coming along & I will set it up next week possibly Monday w/ all the interior. :) Everything looks good to go. Can't wait to see it.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-09-08, 01:16:28
then while you have down time, paint your poles. trust me. it will seal them and it will give an extra flair that will make the inside of your tent pop!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Brian on 2012-09-08, 11:47:19
Huzzah! Can't wait to see the finished assembly!

then while you have down time, paint your poles. trust me. it will seal them and it will give an extra flair that will make the inside of your tent pop!

Then some nice curtains, rugs and a few throw pillows oh yes and SHRUBBERY! Lots of shrubbery!  ;)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-09-08, 15:32:25
Huzzah! Can't wait to see the finished assembly!

then while you have down time, paint your poles. trust me. it will seal them and it will give an extra flair that will make the inside of your tent pop!

Then some nice curtains, rugs and a few throw pillows oh yes and SHRUBBERY! Lots of shrubbery!  ;)

No!! NO shrubbery than you need to hire Julio for landscaping. Who can afford that???
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-09-09, 12:11:54
Huzzah! Can't wait to see the finished assembly!

then while you have down time, paint your poles. trust me. it will seal them and it will give an extra flair that will make the inside of your tent pop!

Then some nice curtains, rugs and a few throw pillows oh yes and SHRUBBERY! Lots of shrubbery!  ;)

Something nice. And not too expensive. And with a path! A path!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-09-10, 12:40:22
Huzzah! Can't wait to see the finished assembly!

then while you have down time, paint your poles. trust me. it will seal them and it will give an extra flair that will make the inside of your tent pop!

Then some nice curtains, rugs and a few throw pillows oh yes and SHRUBBERY! Lots of shrubbery!  ;)

Something nice. And not too expensive. And with a path! A path!

Well if you are going all out, how about a moat & retracting drawbridge. And make sure that the moat is attached to a deep water source abundant in fishing for my needs. :)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-11, 15:23:20
then while you have down time, paint your poles. trust me. it will seal them and it will give an extra flair that will make the inside of your tent pop!

Paint instead of stain/seal? Any specific color to use, or avoid?
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-09-11, 15:54:54

I think hot pink with purple polka-dots would look great. :)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-09-11, 16:10:36

I think hot pink with purple polka-dots would look great. :)

Indeed.... very masculine!  A true sign of a knight's virility!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-09-11, 16:57:19
stain isn't period. i have seen lots of reenactors paint theirs. whatever your fancy. look up some paintings and see what you can see.  i've seen red, green, multi colored etc
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Brian on 2012-09-11, 18:07:00

I think hot pink with purple polka-dots would look great. :)

Indeed.... very masculine!  A true sign of a knight's virility!

Not to mention a knight's martial prowess because to still be alive with THOSE color combinations obviously means he is one mean S.O.B.  ;)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-09-11, 18:46:10
stain isn't period. i have seen lots of reenactors paint theirs. whatever your fancy. look up some paintings and see what you can see.  i've seen red, green, multi colored etc
. I think stain is just brown paint.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-13, 03:13:36
stain isn't period. i have seen lots of reenactors paint theirs. whatever your fancy. look up some paintings and see what you can see.  i've seen red, green, multi colored etc

Black is probably out? I got black trim on the tent, since my heraldry is black and white... :(
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-09-13, 15:19:29

I would think black would be OK. If it's anything like the dyes, various kinds would exist. The more durable dyes were more expensive, but existed. So I would think it would be similar for paint?
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-14, 13:13:43
I would think black would be OK. If it's anything like the dyes, various kinds would exist. The more durable dyes were more expensive, but existed. So I would think it would be similar for paint?

I'm good with that. Black it is! :D
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-09-14, 15:21:47
hey i said the same thing but my post didn't show up yesterday. weird

flats no glossy and i think you'd be ok :) ooooooooo can't wait to see it
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-17, 01:10:33
Well, we had our first tent raising, and learned a few things. I'm very happy with it; it feels much bigger than I thought it would. We'll get it completely set up at Days of Knights, but for the test run, it went great. Minor issues with flooring and such, but confident the furniture I want to take will fit.

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-16153810.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-16153810.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-16153750.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-16153750.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-16153741.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-16153741.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-16153831.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-16153831.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-16153820.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-16153820.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-16153915.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-16153915.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-16154141.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-16154141.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-16154228.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-16154228.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-16154220.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-16154220.jpg)

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/th_2012-09-16154201.jpg) (http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/jba3/medieval/panther-regent/2012-09-16154201.jpg)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-09-17, 01:23:31
wow thats awesome. the colored poles add so much flavor! can't wait to see it all set up.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-09-17, 01:39:12
Looks outstanding!  About how long did it take to set up?
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-17, 14:05:13
Looks outstanding!  About how long did it take to set up?

Thank you, Ian. It took about 2 hours, but neither of us have ever put up a tent before, even a modern one. We didn't know how to adjust spots where there was too much slack or not enough, or how the wood bar on the rope works, or how to stake the perimeter properly - we made a lot of notes, and I think we could do it in an hour next time. I'll post some "lessons learned" a bit later.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Brian on 2012-09-17, 15:15:47
Looks great! Well done indeed!  :)

Of course to earn the 'expert' badge of tent raising you have to set it up on a moonless night...in the rain. ;)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-09-17, 15:27:21
Yeah, the first time it can take a while. Once you know what you're doing, it doesn't take so long with enough hands.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-09-29, 17:28:12
Finally got my double-belled wedge set up today.  I didn't bother with the fly, I just wanted to familiarize myself with putting up the tent itself.  Pretty straight forward once I figured out how everything was supposed to be.  In the first picture I tried to put on my most period 'scowl' lest anyone think I was happy ;)  and in the second photo, that's what I call period Air Conditioning.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8040/8036215617_9aab2bc724_c.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/8036218936_22fc9e036f_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-09-29, 17:56:35
awesome man awesome :)  now paint your poles and your set! hehehe
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-09-29, 19:25:44
Now that's living medieval. :) Where's the nice furnishings???
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-09-30, 03:08:10
Huzzah and congrats!
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Edward on 2012-10-01, 14:00:09

That looks fantastic. It seems that it'll have a pretty spacious sleeping and storage space, and yet be a lot more portable than the Marquee style tents since there's less material/poles.

Mine is definitely a handful to store and transport. :)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir William on 2012-10-03, 19:45:59
So no one's going to comment on the flex/abs shot?  No one?  LOL

I want abs like that...there should be a drink that just gives you that.  lol
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Lord Dane on 2012-10-03, 21:05:32
So no one's going to comment on the flex/abs shot?  No one?  LOL

I want abs like that...there should be a drink that just gives you that.  lol

Simple Sir William, join the military n you'll have no more gut. Believe me.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-10-03, 22:13:24
So no one's going to comment on the flex/abs shot?  No one?  LOL

I want abs like that...there should be a drink that just gives you that.  lol

Saw them on the Book of Faces months ago. Got me motivated to try P90x too - I made it as far as buying the DVDs over a month ago. No results yet, but I haven't *done* anything but buy them....
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-10-03, 22:52:42
lol... that was not intentional, my real aim was to look as unhappy as possible, so that my face would be period, as I've recently found out no knights were allowed to smile  :P

A word of advice, abs are made in the kitchen, not the weight room, but the latter helps, and so does lots of cardio :)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-10-04, 01:16:54
A word of advice, abs are made in the kitchen, not the weight room, but the latter helps, and so does lots of cardio :)

Or you could take my route - killer abs with a healthy dose of modesty; so much modesty, I hide my abs under a thick layer of fat! ;)
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir William on 2012-10-04, 18:05:32
lol... that was not intentional, my real aim was to look as unhappy as possible, so that my face would be period, as I've recently found out no knights were allowed to smile  :P

A word of advice, abs are made in the kitchen, not the weight room, but the latter helps, and so does lots of cardio :)

Ok, I laughed out loud in my office at that first one!  And of course you're right on the second one...it does start in the kitchen.  Insanity has been my enemy of late.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Wolf on 2012-10-04, 23:37:59
ya over eating, not drinking enough water have been my enemies the past few months... but stress does that to me.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Ian on 2012-10-04, 23:54:07
Ok, I laughed out loud in my office at that first one!  And of course you're right on the second one...it does start in the kitchen.  Insanity has been my enemy of late.

If you stick with it, Insanity will not let you down. P90x has the better nutrition guide, but Insanity is considerably tougher in the cardio realm. I did a hybrid of both programs for a while, now I just do my own thing, but they're both good programs. You can probably find the p90x food guide floating around on the internet.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir William on 2012-10-09, 15:33:07
My sister's doing P90X now...she swears by it.  So the nutrition guide with Insanity's no good?  Thought it looked too easy to adhere to.  Now I'm just counting calories and number of meals to get the right number- different numbers for me and my wife of course.

I figure once I get my 'girlish figure' back I can probably calm those down and do a hybrid of weight training and light cardio.  I sincerely detest cardio...
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-10-10, 04:27:27
Medieval Fantasies Company came through in a pinch for me, and got me two more pole / rope / stake sets, a stake puller, some hanging hooks, and pole finials too. Just got done painting the poles and finials, need to drill the finials tomorrow, and I'll have pictures after Days of Knights. They should make a nice little touch.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Gerard de Rodes on 2012-10-17, 22:19:23
That`s a great sized tent Sir Ian, you just need to see Sir James about the furnishings now and you`re set......Do we have a medieval feng shui expert in the lists ?? ;)
G.
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir James A on 2012-10-18, 19:51:32
That`s a great sized tent Sir Ian, you just need to see Sir James about the furnishings now and you`re set......Do we have a medieval feng shui expert in the lists ?? ;)
G.

Ahhh.... Sir James barely survived his battle with sanity on his own furniture. He'll need a few before he does anything else with woodwork. :D
Title: Re: Medieval Pavilions
Post by: Sir Gerard de Rodes on 2012-10-18, 22:20:21
ha ha, well done all the same.
G.